News Pick 54: James Sellar

[The Professor]

well we were talking about Defenders, and you never mentioned Rivers "going forward". Good timing to come up with it now.

His disposal efficiency last year was at a lowly 83.88%, it was only the highest of any MFC player for this season. saying he cant rebound is probably the closest thing you said to be accurate, although if he was 3rd man up in marking contests ect i would expect him to offload in a short pass to a Frawley or Grimes, Garland ect who can run the lines.

"Garland has also the added strings of providing rebound and attack from half back so we really don't need 2. Rivers is the odd one out if Sellar does do something."



Thought that was blatantly obvious but apparently not for some.

Sellar was not part of the demons in 2011 so that means if Sellar does something in 2012 or beyond, Rivers will be the odd man out.

And seriously. disposal efficiency. One of the most overrated stats ever.

Davey is the best kick in MFC and he is listed at 72%. Is Rivers a better kick then Davey? Playing back gets cheap possies. We need someone to set up. Not chip it backwards. Handball for others to do. Why play Rivers as third man when Garland do that job + can kick as well?

saying he cant rebound is probably the closest thing you said to be accurate

Which part is not inaccurate? Please post which of these aren't true.

Rivers isn't strong enough to go with gorillas?

He isn't quick enough to go with athletic talls?

Has skills that lead to turnovers?

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Rivers is one of the best help defenders in the league. His spot isn't in danger due to the club drafting in James freaking Sellar.

 

[dee64]

Rivers is one of the best help defenders in the league. His spot isn't in danger due to the club drafting in James freaking Sellar.

Agree. His asset is his ability to read the play, and should be used accordingly. We shouldn't be classifying him as a 3rd tall, but rather the 3rd man up in the contest. His role should be similar to that of Maxwell.

 

[deeman12]

Agree. His asset is his ability to read the play, and should be used accordingly. We shouldn't be classifying him as a 3rd tall, but rather the 3rd man up in the contest. His role should be similar to that of Maxwell.

Great post. His perfect position is the sweeper role and Grimes is better suited to the quater-back role for our rebound. A lot of people criminally underrate Rivers.

Rivers is also a far better footballer than Maxwell.

 

[melbournemartin]

Hmmm, Sellar is shorter than I imagined. I thought he was around 200cm but he is only 195cm. Perhaps he could be a key position defender after all. Worth a shot at least. I remember being disappointed when we didn't originally draft him

 

[deeman12]

Hmmm, Sellar is shorter than I imagined. I thought he was around 200cm but he is only 195cm. Perhaps he could be a key position defender after all. Worth a shot at least. I remember being disappointed when we didn't originally draft him

Yeah I basically had no idea who Frawley was when we drafted him and I was spewing we didn't pick up Sellar.

Dodged a bullet there!

 

[Demon 16]

No way Rivers is in danger here.

 

[Jordie_tackles]

"Garland has also the added strings of providing rebound and attack from half back so we really don't need 2. Rivers is the odd one out if Sellar does do something."



Thought that was blatantly obvious but apparently not for some.

Sellar was not part of the demons in 2011 so that means if Sellar does something in 2012 or beyond, Rivers will be the odd man out.

And seriously. disposal efficiency. One of the most overrated stats ever.

Davey is the best kick in MFC and he is listed at 72%. Is Rivers a better kick then Davey? Playing back gets cheap possies. We need someone to set up. Not chip it backwards. Handball for others to do. Why play Rivers as third man when Garland do that job + can kick as well?

saying he cant rebound is probably the closest thing you said to be accurate

Which part is not inaccurate? Please post which of these aren't true.

Rivers isn't strong enough to go with gorillas?

He isn't quick enough to go with athletic talls?

Has skills that lead to turnovers?

Davey DID have the best kick at the MFC,last year wasnt a great year for him hence why he only has a DE% of 73.....his best is very good, but he doesnt have that atm.

Alot of people agree that Rivers has his spot in the team and is underrated by many.

I honestly think that IF as you say Sellar can come on in 2012 he will fill the spot we dont have, that Gorilla CHB which Rivers is forced to play.

I agree Garland is better suited to being a running back type, with rivers third man up. Garland can play on a man easily though, he is more than capable, its good flexibility to have.

And all 4 of our backs, including Sellar can play together. It really just the odd man out which is what i disagree with, in that non of the main defenders needs to leave for Sellar to play CHB.

Rivers disposal looks bad but i was more pointing out it isnt as bad as so many think it is, everybody turns it over, i just think people are happy to rib Rivers over it...

 

[Jordie_tackles]

Agree. His asset is his ability to read the play, and should be used accordingly. We shouldn't be classifying him as a 3rd tall, but rather the 3rd man up in the contest. His role should be similar to that of Maxwell.

I think your right, but Rivers would play on the 3rd or 4th tall, less dangerous forward, allowing him to drift over and be the 3rd man in contests, rather than worrying about a Dawes or Roughead.

Sellar being CHB will be great for both Garland and Rivers, straighten the whole team up if he can develop into this role.

 

[Ageing Demon]

- 21 games in 5 years
- delisted by the crows
- went through to selection 54
Does not suggest a great player to me.
I think we have drafted a fill in player that may give us some good games.
do not see a best 22 player here by a long shot.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

I think your right, but Rivers would play on the 3rd or 4th tall, less dangerous forward, allowing him to drift over and be the 3rd man in contests, rather than worrying about a Dawes or Roughead.

Sellar being CHB will be great for both Garland and Rivers, straighten the whole team up if he can develop into this role.

Rivers regularly clowns Roughead. Not sure why is called a 3rd man/tall. He beats the second and occasionally the best opposition guy while also getting to a heap of "3rd man" contests. He's gotten the better of Cloke most times (his regular opponent) before this seasons pies thumping that turned half the board mental too.

 

[master bate]

My take -

1. Rivers only got smashed by Cloke this year, it happens. His kicking improved a lot this year. He's still a bit laconic and if Sellar helps that by sharpening him up then that's a good thing. He's taller than Josh Gibson who was getting raved about last year, and the difference with us and Hawthorn is we have Frawley.

2. McDonald is training with the forwards. He was drafted as a forward and along with Cook his job is to hunt for that CHF spot and to make Clark and Watts stand up and earn their coin.

3. Don't forget Troy Davis. He played some good footy in the VFL after having thyroid problems, which are killers for athletes. A good preseason (despite not coming off a huge base) might see some good improvement. Apparently he has some rebound in his game and can play 3rd tall as well (as he's not overly big only 192cm). He's another to add into the mix along with Sellar.

4. In total FB: Davis, CHB: Sellar, R: Gawn, CHF: McDonald FF: Cook as a Casey spine would be pretty exciting. They are all capable of making an impact in the VFL and pushing the guys in the side.

 

[King Elvis]

Worth a gamble.

 

[Rudeurrection]

Sellar being mentioned as a CHB is laughable, it will take me back to the time when Ben Holland played a similar role for us. Too slow with no mobility, terrible idea if this is how we intend to use him. Forward/ruck only IMO.

Very interested to see if Tom McDonald has bulked up over the pre-season, if so, slot him in at CHB. TM and Frawley will be a great combo for us going forward.

 

[dylan123]

Sellar being mentioned as a CHB is laughable, it will take me back to the time when Ben Holland played a similar role for us. Too slow with no mobility, terrible idea if this is how we intend to use him. Forward/ruck only IMO.

Take a look at some of the games he played across CHB when Bock was injured a couple of years ago, was more then capable of holding his own. What I was really impressed about him was when it came to coming out of defense he would use the ball really efficiently and get it to someone on his own team rather then trying to do something outside of his skill set and turning it over.

How has his pre season for you guys been so far?

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Sellar being mentioned as a CHB is laughable, it will take me back to the time when Ben Holland played a similar role for us. Too slow with no mobility, terrible idea if this is how we intend to use him. Forward/ruck only IMO.

Very interested to see if Tom McDonald has bulked up over the pre-season, if so, slot him in at CHB. TM and Frawley will be a great combo for us going forward.

Sellar moves a lot better than Holland, he's looked fairly agile at training... but I'm far from sold on him.

Pick 54 in an average draft isn't a risk though.

McDonald has put on size and is killing the running; he's trained with the forwards and the backs, so I'm not sure what's happening there.

 

[Tulip]

I think a lot of you are forgetting that he isn't a good footballer because of the risk-free way we procured him

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Wasn't a good footballer.

It can change.

He's 23 next season and was a KPP at Adelaide; who have a really good set.

He'll be a better back-up option than Warnock IMO.

 

[Tulip]

We also have a better set of KPP's

Warnock also proved a hell of a lot more than Sellar did. He has a shit record and it'll be unlikely he changes that while here.

 

[dylan123]

We also have a better set of KPP's

Warnock also proved a hell of a lot more than Sellar did. He has a shit record and it'll be unlikely he changes that while here.

Although when Sellar is in your seconds is he more then likly to be played as a CHB or up forward? One of the big issue for when he was at Adelaide and playing with his SANFL side was he was put in the ruck (considering they are trying to win and the rucks are no where near as good as those in the AFL) meaning he didn't really get a chance to develop into another position which would have held him back quite a bit. Anyways, I still think he could add something from the side, look forward to seeing if he is given a shot in the 2012 season at some stage.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Not in terms of depth.

Neeld clearly wants competition and pressure for places; we don't lose by recruiting Sellar.

 

[Spirit of 39]

Although when Sellar is in your seconds is he more then likly to be played as a CHB or up forward? One of the big issue for when he was at Adelaide and playing with his SANFL side was he was put in the ruck (considering they are trying to win and the rucks are no where near as good as those in the AFL) meaning he didn't really get a chance to develop into another position which would have held him back quite a bit. Anyways, I still think he could add something from the side, look forward to seeing if he is given a shot in the 2012 season at some stage.

He is definitely being groomed as a key defender. Hopefully some continuity and some confidence shown in him by the coaches will lead to us seeing his best footy. As TPM said, he is a fit, agile lump of a kid. He will be given opportunity. It's all up to him now.

 

[old55]

Adelaide had Rutten and Bock and then Rutten and Davis, it's no insult that Sellar couldn't break in there as a KPB. Sure both Bock and Davis are gone now and it could have been Sellar's opportunity but I suspect his cards were already marked by Adelaide list managemnent - it happens.

 

[Tulip]

And he'll break past Frawley, Rivers or Garlo?

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Garlands been doing some training with the mids and as a small defender (as well as a tall); he won't be used purely as a KPD I think.

Sellar will get his chances against players he'll match up well on.