Analysis Pies made mistakes.

[Pie in the Sky]

Buckley should have traded the last 2 years to get us some high picks, don't know why he didn't do that...

 

[No SPIN]

Brereton is 100% correct. We just havnt rebuilt the list we have absolutely gutted it! Whilst player turnover in inevitable we have gone far beyond the norm. Who cares is the coach is a good media performer or not! The aim is to win games of football and to have the team playing as a cohesive unit which has been a total disaster.

The only thing wrong with our culture was we had individuals and not robots as Buckley would have liked. Simple solution? Get rid of them because man management skills are non existant. The only culture Buckley has created is a losing culture and one of absolutely no loyalty to any player. This entire exercise is purely for the ambitions of 1 man and to the detrimant of the club.

Buckley must be the greatest speaker of all time. He bluffed his way to the coaching position with his rhetoric and idealism and fooled so many with his so called abilities. Make every excuse under the sun but the facts are we are years away from success at minimum and I cannot wait until this whole farcical exercise is over with.

Make your case against BUCKS
- show how injuries cannot explain poor results
- show us how the delistings of our aging star could have been avoided
- explain how Daisy and Dawes could have been less selfish and not gone after money
- explain why the success Leading Teama has provided GEEL, SWANS and HAWKS was not worthy of implementation at Coll.
- explain why sticking with Bucks, is wrong when clearly Bomber, Clarkson and even MM got flags when their clubs ignored the push for their replacement by supporters
- finally explain why all our stars have chosen to re-sign if they hate Bucks.

If you do the above you might have a credible position on this issue, otherwise you are just wasting space here with your hollow and unfounded arguments.

 

[rose jam]

Buckley should have traded the last 2 years to get us some high picks, don't know why he didn't do that...

Pretty sure he did that by getting Scharenberg and Freeman in the same draft
Oh and having picks 18,19,20 the previous year

 

[No SPIN]

Might actually want to listen to what he said to those commenting that haven't done so. If you live in the Collingwood bubble it might actually give you some perspective or another side of what's happened down there in past few seasons.

Trying to wring every possible inch out of a squad has proven to just ensure LONGTERM under performance.
We see this constantly especially where MM, Leigh Mathews, Lyon have left clubs in a shambles choosing to play older players rather than blooding youngsters. Ask Saints supporters what they think of Lyons list managment - WC supporters were left with the dreg for Worsfold to pick up after MM left.

I think Bucks, was intelligent enough to see the writing on the wall and took the action that will see back much sooner than if we used Dermies strategy.

 

[Vass]

Pretty sure he did that by getting Scharenberg and Freeman in the same draft
Oh and having picks 18,19,20 the previous year

i think he was saying that with a little tongue in cheek

 

[ppoiter]

So as the man who did the research, what do you say about the outcome?

The obvious thing which jumps out is that we have a lot of promoted rookies and lower picks getting regular games, but when you look at who those players actually are (Lumumba, Frost, Williams, Langdon, to name a few) you see some of our better performers, which tells you that our development people have actually done a pretty good job in identifying value-for-money picks and developing them. You could put Witts, Thomas and Seedsman in the same category, although they have a fair way to go.

On the other hand more than half of their team was made up of top 20 picks. I've included Hombsch as he was one of those GWS underage selections and its fair to assume he would have gone top 20 is it not?

Kane Cornes - 2000 pick 20
Ollie Wines - 2012 pick 7
Hamish Hartlett - 2008 pick 4
Angus Monfries - 2005 pick 12
Jack Hombsch - 2011 GWS 17 year old access selection
Jay Schulz - 2002 pick 12
Chad Wingard - 2011 pick 6
Matthew Lobbe - 2007 pick 16
Travis Boak - 2006 pick 5
Brad Ebert - 2007 pick 13
Jared Polec - 2010 pick 5
Jasper Pittard - 2009 pick 16
Andrew Moore - 2009 pick 9

Theres 8 top 20 picks there who were drafted between 2005 and 2010 who are in or coming in to their prime years, and that isnt even counting Wines and Wingard.

The top 20 picks on our list were mostly taken more recently if Im not mistaken, so maybe once we start getting more experience into them, plus continuing our performance in maximising our rookies and lower draft picks, we'll be a contender again

 

[No SPIN]

Agree Leon was in career best form when we sacked him. Just a joke by Buckley.
Dawes in to the ruck ended his great form with us.
Wellingham and Thomas didn't play for him.
It is just one big spiral on how to destroy a young premiership team.

FFS;
MM dropped Leon in the 2010 GF - so if MM thought he was not good enough when it counted why should Bucks?
Dawes called time himself - no balls to fight for his spot, but took the money instead. He must love playing at an empty MCG.
Wellers and Daisy - they are both struggling at their new clubs, so why are you lamenting their loss?
I doubt they would be getting games next year if still on our list given how poorly they're performing - so Bucks was right.

Seriously mate - try some deeper thinking before posting crap.

 

[Pie in the Sky]

Pretty sure he did that by getting Scharenberg and Freeman in the same draft
Oh and having picks 18,19,20 the previous year

Need a sarcasm smiley. Not sure what more Buckley could possibly have done to get us more high picks, or how our lack of high draft picks could be blamed on him.

 

[Markfs]

So injured picks aren't included then.
Damn, there goes Shazza and Freeman also.

What you're saying, and I agree with it entirely, is that Port and Collingwood have approximately* the same amount of high draft picks, so the Pies have got no excuses....




* plus or minus 10

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I'm wondering if possibly just POSSIBLY, 2014 is our Geelong 2006 year.

I'm getting the sneaking suspicion Buckley knew this year would go the way it did from the word go. I'm waiting to see how we trade/draft over the next few months before making my final call on just how planned this year was.

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

I'm wondering if possibly just POSSIBLY, 2014 is our Geelong 2006 year.

I'm getting the sneaking suspicion Buckley knew this year would go the way it did from the word go. I'm waiting to see how we trade/draft over the next few months before making my final call on just how planned this year was.

Bucks was pretty arrogant earlier in the season when we were doing ok. Definitely believed we were a chance, and did not indicate we had low expectations due to a rebuild. Changed his tune as we started falling apart.

 

[good4footy]

This is funny- 'start of our descent'!! Loved him as a player (especially his two AA years) but seriously if we are going to be silly about this i can say something like:

Davis in the Grand Final 2002 - loss
Davis in Grand final 2003 - loss
Davis in Grand Final 2010 - draw
Davis NOT IN Grand Final replay 2010 - Win
Davis in Grand Final 2011 - Loss

The fact is he did say it was his last year and the club went forward regards salary cap with that in mind. I am so sure of this you could tell me you are Leon himself and I would say you are lying if you say any different.

Seems to me people realising the players they bring up to have a crack at the club have done pretty much SFA and are now going with Davis. Keep going you may actually find one that would have made a difference. Of course you would then also have to identify the person on the list that we would not have by moving them on for everyone to make a informed decision.

NB - well said by No Spin who stated MM dropped him for the Grand Final. Could a time be any more important than that?

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Bucks was pretty arrogant earlier in the season when we were doing ok. Definitely believed we were a chance, and did not indicate we had low expectations due to a rebuild. Changed his tune as we started falling apart.

Not really. Watched pretty much all his interviews.

All he ever said were things like:

"We'll finish where we deserve to finish. If that's Top 4, then we'll have earned it. We think our best is good enough to beat anyone". He never said "We will make the 8. We will make the 4". I think Davoren came in and let Bucks know our players are slow, unfit marshmallows and told him the program he would put them on would hurt them so write off 2014.

The assumption would be, he'd build them during 2014 to make sure they can attack 15/16 properly. At least that's what I'm hoping.

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

This is funny- 'start of our descent'!! Loved him as a player (especially his two AA years) but seriously if we are going to be silly about this i can say something like:

Davis in the Grand Final 2002 - loss
Davis in Grand final 2003 - loss
Davis in Grand Final 2010 - draw
Davis NOT IN Grand Final replay 2010 - Win
Davis in Grand Final 2011 - Loss

The fact is he did say it was his last year and the club went forward regards salary cap with that in mind. I am so sure of this you could tell me you are Leon himself and I would say you are lying if you say any different.

Seems to me people realising the players they bring up to have a crack at the club have done pretty much SFA and are now going with Davis. Keep going you may actually find one that would have made a difference. Of course you would then also have to identify the person on the list that we would not have by moving them on for everyone to make a informed decision.

NB - well said by No Spin who stated MM dropped him for the Grand Final. Could a time be any more important than that?

If it wasn't for Davis we wouldn't have even made it to the replay it was a poor decision by Malthouse.

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

Not really. Watched pretty much all his interviews.

All he ever said were things like:

"We'll finish where we deserve to finish. If that's Top 4, then we'll have earned it. We think our best is good enough to beat anyone". He never said "We will make the 8. We will make the 4". I think Davoren came in and let Bucks know our players are slow, unfit marshmallows and told him the program he would put them on would hurt them so write off 2014.

The assumption would be, he'd build them during 2014 to make sure they can attack 15/16 properly. At least that's what I'm hoping.

Putting half the team on the sidelines with soft tissue injuries doesn't help their fitness at all.
We go in to next year in a poorer position than ever in regards to fitness.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Bucks was pretty arrogant earlier in the season when we were doing ok. Definitely believed we were a chance, and did not indicate we had low expectations due to a rebuild. Changed his tune as we started falling apart.

Yes i believe he said something like " We are doing ok." with a big smirk on his face.

 

[good4footy]

If it wasn't for Davis we wouldn't have even made it to the replay it was a poor decision by Malthouse.

One kick does not make you valuable. Goldsack matched Davis in the first few minutes of the replay. I could argue having Davis in the first one instead of Goldasack lead to us having to play two grand finals- that is how poor Davis was in that Grand final.

His Grand finals record / finals record is appalling. 'Bad decisions to drop him' - sorry mate but the facts say otherwise. He followed 2010 by having Varcoe hand him his backside in the first quarter of the 2011 grand final.

You are so blinded you are making me argue against a player i really liked!! To say anyone dropping Davis for a grand final is a bad decision is ridiculous - hardly touched the ball in any of them.

 

[ppoiter]

Yes i believe he said something like " We are doing ok." with a big smirk on his face.

That was last year

 

[Captivating]

Davis was a GF spud. Thinking otherwise is just stupid. Every non Collingwood supporter knows he couldn't handle GF pressure, but most small forwards do fail on the big stage. But Leon's 2002 GF was embarrassing on a day more suited to smaller players.

 

[Anzacday]

Have we re-named the Buckley coaching thread, I am experiencing deja vu

 

[THATSGOLD]

That was last year

This year!

 

[THATSGOLD]

Calm down on the Leon Davis bashing. He was All Australian in 2011 his final season.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

It's common knowledge and has never been disputed.
Was the beginning of buckleys poor list management decisions.
We made top4 in 2012 but we were a shadow of 10/11 team.

In the last few rounds and finals series of 2011 we were a shadow of the 2010 team. Mick was at the helm and Davis was playing.

 

[Maggie5]

Bucks was pretty arrogant earlier in the season when we were doing ok. Definitely believed we were a chance, and did not indicate we had low expectations due to a rebuild. Changed his tune as we started falling apart.

Fell apart due to form or injuries?

 

[Maggie5]

Calm down on the Leon Davis bashing. He was All Australian in 2011 his final season.

If you can calm down on Collingwood, Buckley bashing, I am sure that there would be no need for threads likes this.