List Mgmt. Player Ages Thread

[Call Me Cake]

Thought it'd be a good idea to lay out the ages of the list.

Fletcher - 38
Hille - 31 (32 in June) # Retiring 2013
NLM - 30 (31 in November)
Davey - 29
Winderlich - 28 (29 in November)
Watson - 28
Goddard - 28
Stanton - 27
Baguley - 25 (26 in 1 day)
Hocking - 25 (26 in December)
Ryder - 25
Dempsey - 25
Jetta - 24 (25 in July)
Gumbleton - 24 (25 in August)
Crameri - 24 (25 in August)
Hardingham - 24 (25 in September)
Hooker - 24 (25 in October)
Howlett - 24 (25 in October)
Myers - 23 (24 in July)
Zaharakis - 23
Bellchambers - 23
Pears - 23
Hibberd - 23
Hurley - 22 (23 in June)
Van Unen - 22 (23 in June)
Kommer - 22 (23 in September)
Colyer - 21 (22 in August)
Melksham - 21 (22 in September)
Carlisle - 21
Heppell - 21
Browne - 20 (21 in August)
Davis - 20 (21 in December)
Merrett - 20
Kavanagh - 20
O'Brien - 19 (20 in June)
J.Daniher - 19
Ashby - 19
Gregory - 19
Hams - 18 (19 in July)
Gleeson - 18 (19 in August)

Rookie List
Dell'Olio - 23 (24 in December)
Hunter - 20 (21 in July)
Steinberg - 20 (21 in Augustt)
Dalgleish - 19 (20 in June)

 

[Old Campaigner]

That's a young looking list. Good signs if such a young side can do what it has so far this year, plenty of time for improvement. Sad to see Jobe is so old though, another 5 years of him tearing up the midfield would be nice.

 

[blitzer]

Only 3 of our older players seem critical to our sides future success:
Watson - 28
Goddard - 27 (28 in 4 days)
Stanton - 27

As good as Fletcher's been I think he's not absolutely critical now and is more of a bonus. Based on the 3 above we should certainly have a couple of years of challenging IF we are good enough. I'm really not sure how the 3 above players will age, in terms of how much their performance may or may not drop off before 30. Certainly right now they are in their primes. Overall I reckon we are in an excellent position and will probably peak in about 2 years at a guess.

 

[daz17]

Fletcher deserves his own colour.

 

[VelvetSledge]

Fletcher deserves his own colour.

Beige. Or as they called it back in Fletch's days, laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy brown.

 

[Doss]

Fletcher deserves his own colour.

Consider it done.

Think of it as the 'over 35' category. I think my colour choice was therefore appropriate..

Hope you don't mind, Call Me Cake.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Hope you don't mind, Call Me Cake.

Not at all.

 

[MG MG]

It's season's end and we lose a ruckman. Hille is also retired.

Who would you drop?

I rate Belly as number one ruckman so I would keep him and trade Ryder, but from what I am seeing it isn't the common idea.

What do you think?

 

[Crimsons]

Pointless thread as they both will be at the club. If I had to choose only one it would be Ryder. He is a little more versatile, a little better around the ground and a better tap ruckmen.

 

[HirdyLannister]

TBC is trade bait . . .

Ryder is one of those players that has endless potential and right now he is better than TBC at forward and ruck . . .

 

[morebeer]

Drop neither, you really need 2 rucks. Having 2 good rucks who can also play forward is a competitive advantage for us against most teams.

In the future, when Daniher fills out a bit and learns more about the craft, it might be worth examining but currently he is not good enough to play that role as he is really a natural forward and pretty average in the ruck.

 

[Oh Tayteridge]

Pointless thread as they both will be at the club. If I had to choose only one it would be Ryder. He is a little more versatile, a little better around the ground and a better tap ruckmen.

Well that's the point of it, it's a hypothetical.

That being said, dunno

 

[Oh Tayteridge]

TBC is trade bait . . .

Ryder is one of those players that has endless potential and right now he is better than TBC at forward and ruck . . .

Righto

 

[MG MG]

Of course we are going to be drafting Sikora to cover Hille anyway..

 

[Old Campaigner]

If we got pick 1 for one of them I suppose that Boyd kid might be a good replacement ruck/forward in a year or so.

 

[calyam]

TBC is trade bait . . .

Ryder is one of those players that has endless potential and right now he is better than TBC at forward and ruck . . .

Trade bait? What a ridiculous suggestion.

 

[Doss]

Recently there has been a trend for certain player threads to become somewhat derailed by page upon page of hypothetical trade talk.

There's nothing wrong with talking about trades per se, it's just that it has the effect of making actual discussion about a given player somewhat hard.

So, go nuts here please.

I'll find some relevant posts from a couple threads and move them here to get us started.

Here are the rules for Free Agency, since people ask pretty frequently!

The AFL introduced free agency at the end of the 2012 season, giving players another vehicle where they can transfer from one club to another. Free agency is a common form of player movement in major football and sporting codes around the world.
Under rules agreed between the AFL and AFL Players’ Association in February 2010, restricted and unrestricted free agents may consider offers from rival clubs during the post-season period.
An unrestricted free agent can automatically move to the club of his choice.
An offer to a restricted free agent may be matched by his club, which has right of first refusal over his services. If the unrestricted free agent does not wish to remain with his original club, he must enter the draft or seek a trade.
Compensation in the form of AFL allocated draft picks apply to clubs with a net loss of free agents. This is based on a formula determined by the AFL.
The Veteran’s List allowance has been amended to apply to players with 10 years’ service at one club and will be based on a set amount of Total Player Payment (TPP) per player calculated as a percentage of TPP.
The free agency system started at the end of 2012 and will remain until the end of 2016.

RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
Players who are in the top 25 per cent of salaries at their club (that is, in the club’s top nine-10 paid players) are eligible for restricted free agency the first time they are out of contract, if they have served at least eight years with the club.
For example, a player who is contracted after his seventh year for one, two, three, four or five years will be eligible for restricted free agency when next out of contract having completed either eight, nine, 10, 11 or 12 seasons respectively.
A top 25 per cent player is eligible for unrestricted free agency when next out of contract, provided a player can never be an unrestricted free agent until completing at least 10 years’ service at one club.
For example, a player who signs a one-year contract after his eighth season is not eligible for unrestricted free agency until he has completed at least 10 years’ service.
Restricted free agents have the right to move to a club of their choice, subject to the current club’s right of first refusal over their services. That is, if the current club can ‘match’ the offer from a suitor club, the player must stay or enter the draft. The tabled offer includes only football payments and Additional Service Agreements (ASA) amounts.

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
Primary List
Players delisted by a club are unrestricted free agents but a player who retires or delists himself is not eligible to be a free agent.
Players who are not in the top 25 per cent of salaries at their club (that is, in the club’s top nine-10 paid players) are eligible for unrestricted free agency if they have served at least eight years with the club.
Rookie List
A rookie list player who retires is not eligible to be a free agent.
A first-year rookie not receiving a second-year rookie contract offer is considered a delisted player and therefore is an unrestricted free agent.
A first-year rookie not accepting a second-year rookie contract offer is not considered a delisted player and must nominate and go through the draft.
A second-year rookie not accepting a third-year rookie contract offer is considered a delisted player and therefore is an unrestricted free agent.

HOW THE TOP 25 PER CENT IS DETERMINED
The top 25 per cent of players on a club’s list (top nine-10 paid players) are based on the guaranteed contract values in the relevant contract year (including ASAs).
The AFL releases the names of those eligible players before round one of each season. An updated list of restricted and unrestricted free agents is issued during the season when changes occur and a final list issued during Grand Final week.

MATCHING OFFERS
A contract offer is matched if the football payments and ASAs are equivalent under the offer and the contract proposed by the player’s current club. To qualify as a matching offer, the player’s current club must make an offer on the same terms as the new offer tabled by the player including:
• Contract length;
• Base payments;
• Total match payments;
• Total ASA payments;
Total performance incentives based on AFL awards or honours, club best and fairest finish or games played (not including finals). Any incentives for team performance do not have to be matched. A player cannot table an offer to be matched for less than a two-year contract length.

COMPENSATION
A club that has a net loss of players transferring to/from other clubs as free agents in one transfer period is entitled to compensation via National Draft picks allocated by the AFL.
The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:
1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.
Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.
Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:
• 1st round
• end of 1st round
• 2nd round
• end of 2nd round
• 3rd round
In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.​

 

[Keystone agony]

Pears for Higgins

 

[Rack Watts]

Pears for Higgins

Would make sense, Hirdy and Egan have both been through the Navicular stuff too.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Pears for Higgins

No thanks, he is too injury prone in my book. Would rather just go after a crumbing forward.

 

[Keystone agony]

No thanks, he is too injury prone in my book. Would rather just go after a crumbing forward.

Dalhaus?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Dalhaus?

Good luck, would be in the top players under "un-tradeable" at the Dogs. But yes, that is the type we are lacking, we have a zillion talls, but we need a better version of Davey under Hurley/Daniher/Gumby's feet.

 

[Keystone agony]

Good luck, would be in the top players under "un-tradeable" at the Dogs. But yes, that is the type we are lacking, we have a zillion talls, but we need a better version of Davey under Hurley/Daniher/Gumby's feet.

You keep throwing up words such as gun "crumbing forward" but continue to give zilch as examples?

How about you give it a go, i was gonna say Gia instead of Dalhaus just to be funny and see what youd say

Pretty sure you wouldnt be in charge of goals for anyone or any company because they simply arent realistic

 

[LukeParkerno1]

You keep throwing up words such as gun "crumbing forward" but continue to give zilch as examples?

How about you give it a go, i was gonna say Gia instead of Dalhaus just to be funny and see what youd say

Pretty sure you wouldnt be in charge of goals for anyone or any company because they simply arent realistic

Would look at which one out of the Carlton 3- Betts, Garlett, Yarran are out of favour at the end of the year. Then again, I think this is a position we don't REALLY need to trade for- there are a million small forwards available in the draft, just draft 2 or 3 and see which one is best.

 

[sneakyjetta]

gumbleton straight swap for garlett imo