POLL - Do you support KNEELING?

[Barrysballs]

You know that he was watching and reading the BLM website and gofundme page, right? BLM are quite open about it, they specifically state, for example, that their aim is to dismantle capitalism and abolish the police.

Exactly it's not like they hide it

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[iBeng]

I missed that subtlety

Worse thing here (I don't give a fck about the US) is to flame and us v them mentality

Good.policing involves working with the community as our force tries to do

Its a tough job and they aren't perfect but they deserve our respect and support

I respect the police but I also understand people are people and if left to keep themselves in check and to a standard you get bad apples.

And police are held to a far higher standard and thus should not be the ones to decide if a fellow officers actions are acceptable.

 

[Engimal v3]

I wonder what would be the case if any player didn't want to kneel. Would they be omitted that week? Would they have to enter the ground at a later time after the display?

 

[iBeng]

I wonder what would be the case if any player didn't want to kneel. Would they be omitted that week? Would they have to enter the ground at a later time after the display?

I saw quite a number of staff at the Lions game today on the ground and not kneeling.

According to this thread they should now be vilified by the left media and have their lives ruined.

Let's wait and see!

 

[JackOutback]

It's not happening.

Firstly, Aboriginals are less likely to die in police custody and the prison system than non-Aboriginal. Since 1991, Indigenous people make up 19% of all deaths in Australian prisons. In proportion to their actual numbers in jail (27%), that’s considerably less. A further break down of the causes of death; In prison, roughly 10 Indigenous people die per year. Most of them die from natural causes (58%)—another 37% from suicides and drug overdoses. Deaths from external trauma (usually prison fights) account for the remaining 5%. The number of Aboriginal deaths in ‘police custody’ amount to approximately 6 per year. Of this number, 56% have been in incidents where police were not in direct contact—a further 21% from natural causes and 19% self-inflicted. Facts over Feelings

That’s twice you’ve wilfully abused facts to serve a false narrative. You know the saying, lies, damn lies and statistics.

Not to any extent that you can use racism as a reason,

It's like claiming there is a sexism problem because men make up 95% of convicted prisoners.

Aboriginals are more likely to commit serious crimes. It's not racist to lock prisoners up if their skin is black, just like it's not sexist to lock prisoners up, if they happen to be men.

So Aboriginal people are more likely to commit serious crimes. If the reason isn’t an inherently broken system or there’s systemic racism, what reason are you going to give for this anomaly? I’m intrigued as to whether you’re actually willing to make the claim.

 

[Engimal v3]

I saw quite a number of staff at the Lions game today on the ground and not kneeling.

According to this thread they should now be vilified by the left media and have their lives ruined.

Let's wait and see!

Staff are nobodies. It's different for players.

 

[Spacedog]

It's obviously virtue signalling from another corporation but I don't care if they do it

 

[iBeng]

It's obviously virtue signalling from another corporation but I don't care if they do it

See, this position is fine. It's the neutral. You dont care what they do, you believe it's not for any benefit but you are happy for them to do it anyway.

What is so wrong with this position?

 

[tandino]

It's good.

 

[Roobs321]

Completely harmless. I'd rather kneel than have to converse with C7 interviewers.

We are lucky enough to live in a society which affords keeping the anthem honest and making sure it sincerely includes and stands for everyone in order to earn hearty voice.

 

[Muddiemoose]

It's obviously virtue signalling from another corporation but I don't care if they do it

Do you even know what virtue signalling actually means?

It’s a criticism of people or organisations doing the bare minimum but it’s pretty clear the AFL aren’t doing the minimum they have a large number of community outreach programs and the club run football academies that aim to support minority groups and indigenous Australians

 

[tandino]

I'd be interested to know what the statistical distribution of Indigenous AFL players salaries v Non-indigenous and if they carrying burden disproportionally from the AFLPA Covid deal.

 

[Frank Bunn]

“The players want us to understand why they have chosen to do this, tonight’s gesture is one of support, unity and respect driven by the playing group,” the statement read. “We stand in solidarity with our indigenous brothers and sisters for all people of colour. There is no place for racism. The knee is an expression of that support, we see strength in diversity, it makes us better as a football club and as a community. We will be there for each other always, especially at a time when many are impacted by what is going on around the world. We will continue to learn and walk this journey together.”

It's a bit of a ragbag of motherhood statements.

Are they suggesting there's still racism within the AFL? If this was the case I would be all for the players campaigning to put that right. But the reality is that indigenous players are way overrepresented in the sport, with them being able to take advantage of special development programs and extra support to help them settle into clubs. These programs are a good thing for the community and the AFL.

The players could have linked arms as a gesture of solidarity with indigenous players. But they chose to take a knee, which is a symbol of the BLM protests which arose from the death of George Floyd in the USA. By taking a knee are the players demonstrating their support for the broader aims of BLM? Such as defunding the police, or even abolishing the police.

What other international political causes are the players going to take on? Political freedoms in Hong Kong? The Rohingya refugee crisis? Attacks Against Christians in India?

How about football players do what they do best ie running around kicking a footy to each other.

 

[iBeng]

It's a bit of a ragbag of motherhood statements.

Are they suggesting there's still racism within the AFL? If this was the case I would be all for the players campaigning to put that right. But the reality is that indigenous players are way overrepresented in the sport, with them being able to take advantage of special development programs and extra support to help them settle into clubs. These programs are a good thing for the community and the AFL.

The players could have linked arms as a gesture of solidarity with indigenous players. But they chose to take a knee, which is a symbol of the BLM protests which arose from the death of George Floyd in the USA. By taking a knee are the players demonstrating their support for the broader aims of BLM? Such as defunding the police, or even abolishing the police.

What other international political causes are the players going to take on? Political freedoms in Hong Kong? The Rohingya refugee crisis? Attacks Against Christians in India?

How about football players do what they do best ie running around kicking a footy to each other.

Ok, I'm in hospital right now and I've had two courses for morphine for the pain I'm in but im still aware enough to know you havnt read a thing in this thread.

 

[Muddiemoose]

It's a bit of a ragbag of motherhood statements.

Are they suggesting there's still racism within the AFL? If this was the case I would be all for the players campaigning to put that right. But the reality is that indigenous players are way overrepresented in the sport, with them being able to take advantage of special development programs and extra support to help them settle into clubs. These programs are a good thing for the community and the AFL.

The players could have linked arms as a gesture of solidarity with indigenous players. But they chose to take a knee, which is a symbol of the BLM protests which arose from the death of George Floyd in the USA. By taking a knee are the players demonstrating their support for the broader aims of BLM? Such as defunding the police, or even abolishing the police.

What other international political causes are the players going to take on? Political freedoms in Hong Kong? The Rohingya refugee crisis? Attacks Against Christians in India?

How about football players do what they do best ie running around kicking a footy to each other.

Except that can’t link arms due to the covid-19 restrictions....

They aren’t even allowed to sing the song after the game linking arms or hi-5 each other on field

 

[iBeng]

And before anyone says anything

 

[DapperJong]

Here's some educational material on police accountability in Australia and its relation to aboriginals.

Summary | ALRC

14.1 The ALRC recognises the good work undertaken by police officers on a daily basis, often in difficult and dangerous circumstances. The ALRC also recognises that Commonwealth, state and territory police have undertaken significant reforms to culture, policy and practice in recent years to...

www.alrc.gov.au

Fun fact: they acknowledge it and are trying to improve it.

Dan26 5 seconds on Google government site.

Nah not THAT research the other one

 

[Dan26]

That’s twice you’ve wilfully abused facts to serve a false narrative. You know the saying, lies, damn lies and statistics.

So Aboriginal people are more likely to commit serious crimes. If the reason isn’t an inherently broken system or there’s systemic racism, what reason are you going to give for this anomaly? I’m intrigued as to whether you’re actually willing to make the claim.

It's not systemic racism that Aboriginal people commit more crimes, just like it's not systemic sexism that men commit more crimes. This whole notion that everything in life must be equally distributed is absurd. The problems are clearly cultural, and culture (which is defined as "learned behavior") is hard to change when it is passed down from generation to generation. Lost of aboriginals live in communities that are away from the big cities, where there is little chance of a job, little chance of a good education.

It's not racist to lock black people up who are committing crimes. It's not sexist to lock men up if they commit crimes.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Except that can’t link arms due to the covid-19 restrictions....

They aren’t even allowed to sing the song after the game or hi-5 each other on field

Those rules are nonsense. They can gang tackle each other and breathe heavily into each other's faces but they can't shake hands and link arms.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

voted no. I watch footy to get a break from all the news and politics. Next we will have players kneeling in protest when the national anthems played.

Racism isn't politics you scrotum.

****en hell.

 

[iBeng]

Nah not THAT research the other one

Woops

Sarcasm for anyone who wants to attack me.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Those rules are nonsense. They can gang tackle each other and breathe heavily into each other's faces but they can't shake hands and link arms.

I don’t disagree but they are still the rules the players are forced to operate under

 

[Frank Bunn]

I don’t disagree but they are still the rules the players are forced to operate under

My point was that they chose to use a gesture that is associated with BLM. It wasn't just a symbol of local support for indigenous Australians.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Yea having a life expectancy of 20 years must've been great

Better than being classified as non entities in the land of Terra Nullius before being slaughtered along with your women and children.

 

[iBeng]

My point was that they chose to use a gesture that is associated with BLM. It wasn't just a symbol of local support for indigenous Australians.

The perception you've been told to believe.

Anyway I'm going offline this thread for a whole I'm going into surgery for a large blood clot.