Opinion Port Adelaide and their Prison Bars

[jackcass]

'Port Adelaide Magpies' and 'Port Adelaide Power' were separate clubs for more than a decade, until they merged in 2010.

Yep, merged with another club and claimed their heritage cause they had none of their own.

 

[Black_White]

This whole issue is the result of the AFL’s stupid decision back in the day to deny Port Magpies application to join the league, instead creating a ground up club, the Adelaide Crows.
Had they accepted Ports application, which was certainly expected, Port would have signed over all rights to the black and white colours and the stripes.

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

Who cares.
As long as they don’t wear them when they play us.

 

[Stax on the mill]

Of course, nothing screams "Its the VFL" than "If you don't like it, leave."

I don't recall that being put to Collingwood when their whingeing about COLA came about. Hypocrites

Delete your first post then you drop kick!

Sorry, posted on the wrong board, my mistake.
I won’t carry on with my argument here.

 

[jmac70]

Who cares.
As long as they don’t wear them when they play us.

We care.
There can be only one black and white in the AFL. It’s our identity.
We cannot let that be compromised.

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

We care.
There can be only one black and white in the AFL. It’s our identity.
We cannot let that be compromised.

Pies have bigger issues afoot than what port Adelaide are doing.

 

[Black_White]

We care.
There can be only one black and white in the AFL. It’s our identity.
We cannot let that be compromised.

And people who don’t care/understand this are happy with our Premiership record over the last half century.

 

[jmac70]

Pies have bigger issues afoot than what port Adelaide are doing.

True, but we can still be aware of it and have an opinion. I’m happy the AFL said no, and I reckon our club is too.

 

[Black_White]

Pies have bigger issues afoot than what port Adelaide are doing.

There is never a bigger issue than our colours, jumper or heritage.
Don’t care if we are 18th, the colours, stripes are our beating heart and soul.
Never let them be diluted.

 

[slugger01]

I’m pretty sure the original agreement allows us discretion, the AFL merely rubber stamp what we decree.

Yeah, i'm not so sure.
There were two periods when Port were looking to come in to the AFL. The first was as a stand-alone club and as the PA football club. The AFL wanted a SA team, and the SANFL refused the invitation, predominantly because of the license fee. So the AFL ambushed them by meeting in secret with the PAFC, where the PAFC would leave the SANFL entirely. It was then when there were agreements purportedly made about not to use the Magpie emblem, and not to use the B&W stripes..

SANFL buckled, and curtailed that, and agreed to the licence fee and came in with the crows.

The second licence was with the SANFL, who set up Port Power with the PAFC, on the condition that a PAFC team remained in the SAFNL. I am not sure any agreement was made with CFC to be the sole decision maker on the stripes at that point, because the licence agreement was made with the AFL and SANFL.

Anyway, if there is, good, and it should be wheeled out when the court case happens.

Cheers.

 

[Jekyll and Hyde]

There is never a bigger issue than our colours, jumper or heritage.
Don’t care if we are 18th, the colours, stripes are our beating heart and soul.
Never let them be diluted.

I love your passion.
But are they really at risk?

 

[OnlyPowerForever]

Delete your first post then you drop kick!

ok, will do.

 

[Black_White]

I love your passion.
But are they really at risk?

Thin edge of the wedge.
You cannot yield. As we have seen, despite a signed document clearly stating terms that have already been broken, the Power are trying to twist to their advantage.
If you allow this variation to the contract, what’s next?
Yes, the very real possibility that there are two teams wearing black and white stripes in every round bar one or two.
And of at least one of those two we would be forced to wear something other than our Black and White stripes, being the visiting team.
It sounds like fantasy, but can you categorically say this is not a demand that Power would chase?
I believe they would.

 

[ZEV]

Because that “double v” is what the SA State representative jumper is like. Red base, with blue and yellow V. Just google it and when you see it, it will make sense..

Thanks for that, once its seen it can't be unseen!

 

[TW Sherrin]

This is a test for Korda. Everyone is watching.

 

[Prince_Rhodesia]

There's but one statement that Mark Korda can make that will make him the president that we need, and that is to call for a press conference and state the following. "David Koch, go and **** yourself. We are the only team that wear Black & White stripes in the AFL. We're the Magpies. You bastards will never be us, no matter how much you want to. Now, either shut up, or piss off back to the SANFL and call yourselves whatever you want.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Personally I dont see it as the big issue others do for them to wear it at Showdowns when they are the home team...and I dont believe the "thin edge of the wedge" argument. But I understand the arguments

But Ports big mistake was not entering the competition in the first place with traditional prison bars..........but wearing their new colours of teal and silver. Everybody would have been happy with that.

Instead they were influenced by some highly paid consultants in marketing and advertising who told them to create a brand new identity and put a stupid lightning bolt (or are they icicles or are they stalagtites) n the front and create a new "brand".

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Personally I dont see it as the big issue others do for them to wear it at Showdowns when they are the home team...and I dont believe the "thin edge of the wedge" argument. But I understand the arguments

Even if you don’t believe that Port supporters at this moment have a master plan to wear the stripes for all games eventually, surely you can see in five years they might forget how hard fought this concession was/is, and the refrain will be “it’s stupid that we can only wear the stripes for home games against Adelaide, we should be allowed to wear them for all home games”.

Perceptions and expectations change over time, but we want to remain the only team with black and white stripes in perpetuity. Therefore, long term thinking is required.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Even if you don’t believe that Port supporters at this moment have a master plan to wear the stripes for all games eventually, surely you can see in five years they might forget how hard fought this concession was/is, and the refrain will be “it’s stupid that we can only wear the stripes for home games against Adelaide, we should be allowed to wear them for all home games”.

Perceptions and expectations change over time, but we want to remain the only team with black and white stripes in perpetuity. Therefore, long term thinking is required.

Yes I underestand the thin edge of the wedge argument even if I dont neccessarily agree with it. But Port have got their answer now... its time for them to drop it for a while.

Like I said... telll them they can wear prison bars in their actual colours.. teal and silver

 

[BEEG]

When they agreed to join the AFL they agreed to not wear the B&W prison bars.

I don't care if it changes, I just don't get the anger when it's something that was agreed on.

 

[TW Sherrin]

When they agreed to join the AFL they agreed to not wear the B&W prison bars.

I don't care if it changes, I just don't get the anger when it's something that was agreed on.

I wonder if its real anger or contrived.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Yes I underestand the thin edge of the wedge argument even if I dont neccessarily agree with it. But Port have got their answer now... its time for them to drop it for a while.

I wasn’t trying to belittle your understanding in any way. I was trying to highlight the difference between two scenarios, both of which could be described as “thin edge of the wedge” arguments.

a) Port and their supporters are incrementally trying to get closer to wearing the B & W stripes as their main guernsey, and this is the first step.

b) Port and their supporters are perfectly happy wearing B & W stripes in home Showdowns only. They have no plans to take things further. However after five-to-ten years of doing this, their supporters feel differently, and they are now working from wearing the jumper once per year as a starting point, rather than not at all.

In the latter case it weakens our “bargaining position”, for want of a better term, even if current day Port fans don’t have any Machiavellian plans to become Diet Collingwood.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I wasn’t trying to belittle your understanding in any way. I was trying to highlight the difference between two scenarios, both of which could be described as “thin edge of the wedge” arguments.

a) Port and their supporters are incrementally trying to get closer to wearing the B & W stripes as their main guernsey, and this is the first step.

b) Port and their supporters are perfectly happy wearing B & W stripes in home Showdowns only. They have no plans to take things further. However after five-to-ten years of doing this, their supporters feel differently, and they are now working from wearing the jumper once per year as a starting point, rather than not at all.

In the latter case it weakens our “bargaining position”, for want of a better term, even if current day Port fans don’t have any Machiavellian plans to become Diet Collingwood.

For the third time I understand the argument but dont neccessarily agree with it.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

For the third time I understand the argument but dont neccessarily agree with it.

Well I felt like adding a bit more nuance to the discussion than your blanket, non-specific statement of disagreement. I respect your right to do so nonetheless.

 

[MyManLynch]

Can’t they just wear prison bar underpants...