News Port Adelaide have applied to join the VFL by 2025

[greatwhiteshark]

Once Port are allowed into the VFL, Dillion and his mob will ratify a AFL reserve league with only the existing AFL clubs.

Can't see the current VFL being sustainable once the other AFL teams start wanting to join and it would make sense having the AFL reserve and Seniors using the same fixture to cut down the cost of travel expenses with the exception of a Tassie team before their entry to the AFL.

Where's it leave the VFL? Back to being a proper state league for Victoria without the conflicted interest of the AFL clubs...ditto SANFL and WAFL.

Southport? Back to the QFL.

Setup a yearly carnival to determine the best league akin to State of Origin as their fixtures don't revolve around AFL team needs.

State leagues needs to go back to being the second tier of football in this country and leave the AFL reserves as the development league for AFL teams.

The WAFL and SANFL are currently the second tier of football in this country, the power, crows, Eagles and Dockers leaving their doesn't change that. In fact it possibly makes them better and stronger.

 

[ohmygewd]

The WAFL and SANFL are currently the second tier of football in this country, the power, crows, Eagles and Dockers leaving their doesn't change that. In fact it possibly makes them better and stronger.

What's the point of your post? Which state league has the bigger dick?

 

[Dylan8]

What's the point of your post? Which state league has the bigger dick?

It's okay to like and follow the state leagues but the chip on the shoulder is something else. Please recognise and revere us, the last bastion of Real Footy!

 

[greatwhiteshark]

What's the point of your post? Which state league has the bigger dick?

Not at all, we all know Victoria are the biggest dicks of football.

The point was you said they need to go back to being the second tier of football and I was telling you they already are. Not rocket science. What makes you think they aren't?

 

[Demons09]

It's okay to like and follow the state leagues but the chip on the shoulder is something else. Please recognise and revere us, the last bastion of Real Footy!

The AFL is looking less and less like real footy as the years go on, especially when the screamer gets outlawed because of concussion issues and last touch out of bounds which isn’t far off happening.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

The AFL is looking less and less like real footy as the years go on, especially when the screamer gets outlawed because of concussion issues and last touch out of bounds which isn’t far off happening.

That would be the last disposal out of bounds rule that is already in the SANFL, and has been for years?

 

[sigur]

Provided the rules are the same for everyone but the issue is they are not. There was a Port Adelaide SANFL game v North Adelaide in 2022 when Port fielded a side with just 6 AFL listed players in it and had only four players over 23 years of age. On that day the Port SANFL side consisted mainly of top up players from the Academy. Under the current arrangement Port and Adelaide are allowed one non AFL listed senior player. I would not object to the current rules if the same rules applied to all sides competing in the SANFL competition but they do not.

If North Adelaide only had 6 first choice league players available then you can bet their reserves would be full of kids too.

 

[ohmygewd]

Not at all, we all know Victoria are the biggest dicks of football.

The point was you said they need to go back to being the second tier of football and I was telling you they already are. Not rocket science. What makes you think they aren't?

No not really, our state league is actually quite poor in terms of providing the opportunity for non-AFL listed players to play at a decent level given there are only 4 teams that is independent (aside from Southport).
And if you allow me to be a touch parochial, having the Bg V emblem in a competition that clearly only caters for AFL clubs developing their players it's a disgrace to the history of what the VFL was or what AFL destroyed in the VFA.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

No not really, our state league is actually quite poor in terms of providing the opportunity for non-AFL listed players to play at a decent level given there are only 4 teams that is independent (aside from Southport).
And if you allow me to be a touch parochial, having the Bg V emblem in a competition that clearly only caters for AFL clubs developing their players it's a disgrace to the history of what the VFL was or what AFL destroyed in the VFA.

Love that you are parochial, as am I as the AFL also destroyed the WAFL. I agree that i dont think the VFL is the second tier. And while the AFL clubs want to use football leagues as game sumulation areas then they will continue to stain those great leagues.

The AFL need to simply have all their clubs have practice hit outs weekly, they don't need to be in a comp. They are just there developing so just arrange hitouts each and every week against any clubs that are available. The Eagles for example might have hitouts against the Crows and Port 4-5 times per year to save on travel. Who cares anyway. The clubs don't!! It's just training.

 

[Rickee]

I'm not sure we'll let them use the word Port if we join the VFL.

The last time you tried dictating identity terms to an existing club in a league you joined, you ended up having to wear teal, the least visually appealing shade of blue AND of green.

If you aren't careful, you'll end up going by the Alberton Anaphylactics

 

[Ice-Wolf]

I look forward to the discussions over who gets to wear what jumper and who is called the magpies.

Not a problem the VFA/VFL don't give a shit about 2 teams having the same nickname - see Werribee and Richmond Tigers and Coburg and Brisbane Lions.

 

[Rickee]

How old is the current VFL setup? Because thats how old Port Melbourne is, or so we keep getting told.

And they didn't have history in the VFL when they joined it, so they threw all of their past away. Or so we're told.


If it came down to a fight, the AFL won't even bother taking away the VFL licences. The AFL clubs will merely leave the VFL entity and join a new AFL Reserves league.

The current VFL claims the history of the VFA, which began in 1877. Port Melbourne was founded in 1874 and joined the VFA in 1886. There are only two clubs that still play in the VFL that competed in the VFA when it was the top league in Victoria, and we are one of them.
The club has won 17 Flags, 15 of which were prior to competition restructures in 1995 and 2000. We were the first VFL club to cancel an alignment with an AFL club, and the first stand alone to win a premiership since the AFL reserves merged with the VFL, which prior to 2000 was in an alignment with what was then the TAC Cup.

The club has never left the VFA/VFL competition, and has completed every season apart from when the competition was in recess during WWI and WWII. We are also the only club never to play a season in Division 2 in the years it existed.

I don't know where you heard that Port are only as old as the current VFL set up, or that we binned our history to join a competition we've already been in for almost 120 years, but you are wrong.

 

[AussieNick1999]

The current VFL claims the history of the VFA, which began in 1877. Port Melbourne was founded in 1874 and joined the VFA in 1886. There are only two clubs that still play in the VFL that competed in the VFA when it was the top league in Victoria, and we are one of them.
The club has won 17 Flags, 15 of which were prior to competition restructures in 1995 and 2000. We were the first VFL club to cancel an alignment with an AFL club, and the first stand alone to win a premiership since the AFL reserves merged with the VFL, which prior to 2000 was in an alignment with what was then the TAC Cup.

The club has never left the VFA/VFL competition, and has completed every season apart from when the competition was in recess during WWI and WWII. We are also the only club never to play a season in Division 2 in the years it existed.

I don't know where you heard that Port are only as old as the current VFL set up, or that we binned our history to join a competition we've already been in for almost 120 years, but they are wrong.

This thread has been an eye-opening experience for me. The VFL has been seen as nothing more than an Victorian development comp for so long that many people don't realise these clubs have histories over a century long and form whom the VFL premiership still matters.

 

[Taper]

The last time you tried dictating identity terms to an existing club in a league you joined, you ended up having to wear teal, the least visually appealing shade of blue AND of green.

If you aren't careful, you'll end up going by the Alberton Anaphylactics

What's stopping the SANFL from creating a new entity called Port Adelaide with the Magpies nickname once Port leave to join the VFL?

 

[calculon559]

What's stopping the SANFL from creating a new entity called Port Adelaide with the Magpies nickname once Port leave to join the VFL?

Assuming they could, if the SANFL want to be really spiteful, they could go one step further and transfer the old PA's SANFL history to this hypothetical new PA Magpies team.
Something similar happened in the NFL with the Cleveland Browns (the old Browns are the current Baltimore Ravens), so it's not unprecedented.

 

[JimmyBC]

So many cooked people in this thread it's hilarious.

 

[cleanhands]

 

[masai tu]

What's the point of your post? Which state league has the bigger dick?

The reserves league in this proposed VFL, will be the equivalent of a Colts comp.

That is what I think is the point of the post.

 

[SC_Power]

Assuming they could, if the SANFL want to be really spiteful, they could go one step further and transfer the old PA's SANFL history to this hypothetical new PA Magpies team.
Something similar happened in the NFL with the Cleveland Browns (the old Browns are the current Baltimore Ravens), so it's not unprecedented.

They actually can’t, as the history belongs to the football club, not the licence or the competition.

In the US, the history follows the club, even when they change cities or competitions. eg the LA Lakers claim 17 NBA championships, even though 5 were won as the Minneapolis Lakers under the old BAA.

Cleveland I don’t think was an NFL decision, but was a special case where the settlement with the owner post legal proceedings was that they could move to Baltimore, but leave the history behind with the city.

 

[ohmygewd]

The reserves league in this proposed VFL, will be the equivalent of a Colts comp.

That is what I think is the point of the post.

Its above colts really as colts is U18 footy whilst reserves by its very nature, are players not selected for the 22 which could be a mix of a 18yo rookie through to 29yo 200 game player.
All Port are doing is bring the issues to the fore, l'm sure they and the other WA and SA AFL clubs are thinking: why are the AFL alowing all the Eastern seaboard clubs to play their reserves against each other but not us, are they getting an advantage of overall development of their players by matching up against each others reserves - it's all about that one phrase 'competitive advantage'.

AFL club screams about 'not enough talent' to go around for the Tassie team then let the state leagues properly heal again (esp the VFL/VFA) without the interference's and sabotage of AFL clubs and the talent will be slowly be replenished - 441 players nominated for the draft, 64 taken where do the 377 who missed out go?

The current VFL claims the history of the VFA, which began in 1877. Port Melbourne was founded in 1874 and joined the VFA in 1886. There are only two clubs that still play in the VFL that competed in the VFA when it was the top league in Victoria, and we are one of them.
The club has won 17 Flags, 15 of which were prior to competition restructures in 1995 and 2000. We were the first VFL club to cancel an alignment with an AFL club, and the first stand alone to win a premiership since the AFL reserves merged with the VFL, which prior to 2000 was in an alignment with what was then the TAC Cup.

The club has never left the VFA/VFL competition, and has completed every season apart from when the competition was in recess during WWI and WWII. We are also the only club never to play a season in Division 2 in the years it existed.

I don't know where you heard that Port are only as old as the current VFL set up, or that we binned our history to join a competition we've already been in for almost 120 years, but you are wrong.

Carlton v Collingwood is talked up as a fierce rivalry but there was a stage when Port v Williamstown was just as big of a drawcard in the VFA days...todays VFL is tarnishes that legacy.

 

[Freomaniac]

Should have happened in 1997 but the SANFL insisted we had to have an side in their league. Then 2014 came around and they were eager to kick us out of the competition but the AFL said no as there was no viable alternative competition for PAFC to enter a reserves side.

The AFL will likely announces an national reserves competition by 2025. So where does this leave the VFL?

Our tradition of being in the SANFL ended in 1997 as we no longer had access to our recruiting zones to secure our talent. The SANFL moved pretty quickly to divide up our zones to the other 8 clubs and we were left to pick from the scraps of SA football. Hence why we must leave the SANFL now as our current reserves side comprises of 50% elite athletes & 50% C-grade amateurs.

And this was the concern for me. I didnt mind Port Adelaide power taking over the Port Magpies in the SANFL in 2014. I dont think their local zones should of been taken.

Those Blokes from that 1990 flag in George Fiacchi, Roger Delaney, Tim Ginever and Scott Hodges were in that side. Those days of the Port magpies producing that type of quality talent are gone.

Yes Darren Mead was a magpie and played in Ports 1997 squad, but his son Jackson mead had to play for woodville west torrens.

Port Magpies also had their SANFL ressies side and SANFL under 18s side gone too.

Freo took over Peel Thunder in the WAFL back in 2014 and Peel kept their local zones and their WAFL ressies and WAFL under 18 sides.

 

[yodellinhank]

They actually can’t, as the history belongs to the football club, not the licence or the competition.

In the US, the history follows the club, even when they change cities or competitions. eg the LA Lakers claim 17 NBA championships, even though 5 were won as the Minneapolis Lakers under the old BAA.

Cleveland I don’t think was an NFL decision, but was a special case where the settlement with the owner post legal proceedings was that they could move to Baltimore, but leave the history behind with the city.

Charlotte Hornets. Brisbane Lions.

 

[SC_Power]

Charlotte Hornets. Brisbane Lions.

The Hornets (originally the Bobcats under Michael Jordan) did a deal with the previous Hornets (now New Orleans Pelicans) to reclaim the history from the years they were originally in Charlotte (up to early 2000’s). League didn’t have any right to the club history, it was a club with club decision.

Brisbane Lions and Fitzroy is a curly one, and far more knowledgeable people than me on it. I only am aware of the basics, in that Fitzroy were insolvent, under administration they went into an official merger with Brisbane as an VFL entity, whilst Fitzroy survived as an amateur club and retains its history as such.

 

[MakeshiftMartyr]

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[JimmyBC]

Port Districts can be elevated to the Snaffell, give them the trad Port zones. No dramas.