Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

[Pappagallo]

That's such a terrible argument to suit your own agenda. The agreement is there whether you like it or not. If your club wants to renege on it then that's your prerogative but don't expect it to come without consequences.

No it’s not. Eddie signed the agreement knowing that Heritage Round was about to be kiboshed and the benefits we were bargaining for would never be realised. That’s bad faith. The agreement is garbage.

 

[pietoon]

Why don't they just go with something like...
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We could live with that if it was reversed and have 4 teal stripes and 2 white and that’s being generous..

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

No it’s not. Eddie signed the agreement knowing that Heritage Round was about to be kiboshed and the benefits we were bargaining for would never be realised. That’s bad faith. The agreement is garbage.

So you're reneging on a "bad faith" deal in bad faith.

 

[Pappagallo]

So you're reneging on a "bad faith" deal in bad faith.

There’s no deal to renege on if it’s made in bad faith to begin with.

 

[doppleganger]

We're just trying to wear our guernsey man.

The Magpie heritage - song, logo, jumper, Alberton, premierships, traditional rivalries
all belong to the SANFL.

You still wear your SANFL jumper, sing the magpie song, and play at Alberton against your traditional rivals every weekend....in the SANFL.

It has nothing to do with the AFL.

If Port really wanted unification, adopt the AFL kit, song and Power identity for both teams.

 

[parano1a]

The agreement is garbage.

Your board member Cos Cardone signed off on it. Maybe elect board members with better negotiating skills and less conflicts of interest instead of complaining.

 

[parano1a]

Port want to wear a guernsey which is unique to Port and unlike anything Collingwood have ever worn.

This is the guernsey that best fits your above description.

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

There’s no deal to renege on if it’s made in bad faith to begin with.

In bad faith according to who? You?

 

[Pappagallo]

Your board member Cos Cardone signed off on it. Maybe elect board members with better negotiating skills and less conflicts of interest instead of complaining.

You mean Cos Cardone, the AFL-appointed McGuire Media executive?

 

[Pappagallo]

In bad faith according to who? You?

Jesus Christ. Eddie McGuire hung himself on national TV with the rope Cornes gave him.

 

[El_Scorcho]

You mean Cos Cardone, the AFL-appointed McGuire Media executive?

No he means Cos Cardone, who wasn't on our board in 2007 when the "agreement" was signed

 

[El_Scorcho]

The Magpie heritage - song, logo, jumper, Alberton, premierships, traditional rivalries
all belong to the SANFL.

You still wear your SANFL jumper, sing the magpie song, and play at Alberton against your traditional rivals every weekend....in the SANFL.

It has nothing to do with the AFL.

If Port really wanted unification, adopt the AFL kit, song and Power identity for both teams.

You keep posting this stuff. Telling another club how they should feel about their heritage is a little bit like unrequested parenting advice. Nobody asked you and nobody cares what you think.

 

[parano1a]

No he means Cos Cardone, who wasn't on our board in 2007 when the "agreement" was signed

An updated agreement was signed in 2020.

Cos Cardone is the Chief Executive Officer at McGuire Media. He has also been a Port Adelaide Football Club director since 2012 and is Chairman of the Club’s Brand and Marketing Committee.

Surely you guys can't be OK with this guy being your chairman of branding/marketing when he works for McGuire in his day job?

 

[Pappagallo]

No he means Cos Cardone, who wasn't on our board in 2007 when the "agreement" was signed

I just assumed that he/she didn’t actually read my post properly and went off on a tangent about the 2019 agreement (the 150th one, where no long term agreement was reached).

 

[El_Scorcho]

The only agreement that was ongoing in any way was the bad faith 2007 agreement that has been superseded.

If any agreement was tested in court, it'd fall over pretty quickly because Collingwood haven't offered anything as consideration. You can't enforce a contract where you haven't given anything up. You can't trademark colours.

Collingwood have no power here, it's all with the AFL.

 

[bomberclifford]

Surely you guys can't be OK with this guy being your chairman of branding/marketing when he works for McGuire in his day job?

We’re not.

 

[doppleganger]

You keep posting this stuff. Telling another club how they should feel about their heritage is a little bit like unrequested parenting advice. Nobody asked you and nobody cares what you think.

That is the Port fans problem.

The AFL does care what Collingwood thinks, as it is Collingwood who has the AFL heritage and identity, and Port didn't bother to ask.

Celebrate your SANFL heritage in the SANFL.

 

[edgie]

Port Power Est. 1996 drove a VL SS Group A with Energy Polarizer at 141 km/h and went back to 1990 to apply for the first licence. Their time travelling treachery was elite but ultimately they were unsuccessful so they took the Down Under Delorean to 1995 and won the second licence instead.



The SANFL aren’t a footy club though, are they?

Did the Port Power est 1996 steal the Commodore? That would be sooooo Ports

 

[Papa G]

Trust me plenty of lay people confuse the two. They are substantially the same jumper. 2/3rds of the front is black and white stripes which impinges on Collingwood’s heritage.

Not to mention over the course of Collingwoods history we took pride in being the only black and white team in the comp, the only magpies and we love our theme song as much as our jumper, colours and nickname.

So that’s our heritage. Coming up to 129 uninterrupted years in black and white, and vertical stripes. You impinge on Collingwood’s history every time you demand to wear the black and white PB.

Yet you’ve dealt with this decision several times. In 1910 when at the Australian Championship Port wore their jumpers inside out to avoid the clash with Collingwood.

The only constant thing about Port wearing black and white over the journey - was the stripes on the front. You ditched the original PB design in 1923-27 and again from 1941 to 1952.

This black and white PB jumper you love, with the solid black back and white number panel has only been around since 1958. So 38 years later you decided to move on from your beloved PB and go with teal and silver, get a new theme song, call yourself the Power, wear the SBS jumper and a different away top every year.

Over your 151 years, you wore the PB in its current form for only merely 25% of your existence and versions of it for another 37 years. So only 75 years of your existence (49%) did you wear some version of the PB.

The other 76 years were either in Collingwood or fully vertically striped jumpers, light blue and white hoops, Navy and white, pink or magenta, blue with a dash of yellow and then the teal SBS from 1996 and the black teal and white V from 2010. So 51% of Port Adelaides existence is not wearing the PB design.

Collingwood’s existence in VFA, VFL and AFL is 100% black and white vertical stripes. Pretty simple.

This idea Port wore the PB for 95 years is absolute rubbish. Still, I get it you won a lot of local trophies in the PB design. And there are still multiple avenues for Port Power to wear the PB design on a full time basis. It just can’t have black and white stripes on it. As that would impinge on the history and heritage of another club which was already in the big league, which you acknowledge - much like North with Carlton - must be respected.

So go back and look at ur history - there is pink, blue, teal, magenta and even a dash of yellow you could incorporate for the front stripes of the Power PB.

You were lucky enough to even get in the AFL. Teams like Claremont Norwood Swan Districts etc would have given their left nut. And I guarantee all of those clubs would have accepted the reality that they’d have to forge a new identity if they clashed with club that was already in the AFL.

You know who wore black and white in the VFL for most of the 20th century?




The Umpires.

 

[El_Scorcho]

That is the Port fans problem.

The AFL does care what Collingwood thinks, as it is Collingwood who has the AFL heritage and identity, and Port didn't bother to ask.

Celebrate your SANFL heritage in the SANFL.

The AFL doesn't care enough to have stopped us entirely though, as we've worn the bars 5 times at AFL level.

And that's without a public campaign for them.

It's only going to happen more and more.

 

[pietoon]

In your view Collingwood already did- in good faith - sign an agreement for us to wear it once a year for heritage round. So why are you now saying Collingwood won't ever allow us to wear it one or twice a year in Showdowns. Was it maybe not in good faith?

If its never going to happen, why does Eddie McGuire give it airtime on his media platforms. Why does he need to make empty threats over it.

What difference does it make if Eddie knew the heritage round was on its last legs, your just now clutching at straws to support your loosing cause.

The mistake Eddie made was saying to you in good faith we will allow you to have a once off, for your 150 celebration but that will be it, never again..

 

[El_Scorcho]

What difference does it make if Eddie knew the heritage round was on its last legs, your just now clutching at straws to support your loosing cause.

The mistake Eddie made was saying to you in good faith we will allow you to have a once off, for your 150 celebration but that will be it, never again..

Eddie has said never again 5 times now.

 

[doppleganger]

The AFL doesn't care enough to have stopped us entirely though, as we've worn the bars 5 times at AFL level.

And that's without a public campaign for them.

It's only going to happen more and more.

You asked Collingwood and we were fine because it was heritage round, or special anniversary requests.

What Port has then done is gone, well we got to wear it a couple of times so now we are going to try and introduce it as part of our regular kit.

Collingwood aren't fine with Port trying to push the SANFL Magpies jumper as part of your regular AFL branding.

If Collingwood ain't OK, Port has a problem...because it is Collingwood that has the black n white heritage in the AFL.

If a Port fan wants to embrace their heritage, go down to Alberton this Saturday at 3pm to cheer cheer the black and the white against the Roosters.

Part of the deal about wanting to watch the Power take on AFL clubs like Collingwood at venues like the MCG was that you left the SANFL Magpies behind.

 

[El_Scorcho]

You asked Collingwood and we were fine because it was heritage round, or special anniversary requests.

No, this isn't true. We've been knocked back for anniversary requests far more often than it's been allowed. Even when Collingwood apparently "approve", Eddie bleats that he hates it and he's sick of it and that he's never allowing it again. Every time.

But it keeps getting approved for wear and sale. One time it got approved in less than 24 hours.

Because sometimes the AFL tell Collingwood to suck it up, and in return they tell the football world that Collingwood have some genuine sway in the matter because it's politically convenient for that to be the public perception.

If it were genuinely up to Collingwood, we'd have worn the bars 0 times at AFL level. Eddie has made that very clear.

Collingwood aren't fine with Port trying to push the SANFL Magpies jumper as part of your regular AFL branding.

The toothpaste is well and truly out of the tube on this, because it's been a strong and recognisable part of our branding for 120 odd years. It's definitely very strongly associated with us at AFL level, and unfortunately for Collingwood, every time it's knocked back there's a week of debate about it, even further strengthening that association.

There is no one who can make it go away at this point. Even if the club doesn't run with it, the fans will. The media will keep asking questions. The players will talk about how much they love it. The supporters will keep wearing it to games en masse.

 

[mcgarnacle]

Why don't they just go with something like...
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Black and white stripes