Port Adelaide's plan to use jumpers similar to Collingwood

[bomberclifford]

“yOu aRe tHE PoRt pOwah”

...is the most moronic argument anyone could make.

Just stop with it.

 

[terrybull]

I love in that video when Eddie Maguire said to Kane cornes that “your club changes their colours like he changes his jocks” so cornes replied with “most clubs do”....ermmmmm name a club other than Fremantle in the last 20 years to change their colours??? Worst 300

Collingwood and all clubs break contracts with their players, coaches and staff on a yearly basis. Why is that ok?

Because someone on this thread wrote it’s ok if both parties agree.
Must have forgot about Trelor....

 

[terrybull]

I wonder which club in the world first wore and designed the black and white stripes? Maybe we should invite them in the forum?

Could end up with Collingwood, Port, Newcastle, Juventus.... not being able to wear black n white stripes

 

[Power Raid]

I wonder which club in the world first wore and designed the black and white stripes? Maybe we should invite them in the forum?

Could end up with Collingwood, Port, Newcastle, Juventus.... not being able to wear black n white stripes

it's confusing

I can't tell any one of these teams apart from the other

 

[sprockets]

Its only going to get bigger and there is no way you can stop the fans wearing it.

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I've changed my mind, Port and Collingwood and their supporters all belong in prison bars, although I think they wear dark green jumpsuits these days, at least in Victorian prisons..

 

[Ice-Wolf]

It’s almost as if you haven’t read the last 20 or so pages of posts....

Ditto.

 

[parano1a]

The guernsey so many of us born in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s celebrated during a dominant period in our clubs history.

That's fine, but remember also those Port fans born in the 00s, 10s, 20s would associate all of the club's success with black, white and teal.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Most Port supporters are happy with our current guernsey and only want to wear the PB guernsey in showdowns once or twice a year. The AFL denying us that will only have the opposite effect in my humble opinion. In the eyes of Port supporters it is a big F U to say we cant celebrate what we see as our traditional guernsey. The guernsey so many of us born in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s celebrated during a dominant period in our clubs history.
We are ok being black, white, teal and silver. We are ok not being the magpies. But telling us we cannot celebrate our heritage will only inflame the masses and the PB guernsey will only become more popular in the stands.

Or let us wear it once a year then everyones happy and moves on.

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yeah... dont think thats anywhere near reality and I pointed it out in my comment last night.. nearly 300,000 port power supporters out there.. yet for 11 months there has been a change.org petition running asking power supporters to sign it in support of the PB’s..

yet barely 40,000 have actually signed it.. 40,000 in 11 months.

so around 250,000 power supporters obviously care so little about the issue that they couldnt be bothered taking just two minutes out of their day to sign the online petition.

seems the “inflamed masses” you speak of really aren’t much more than a noisy minority.

the great majority of power supporters more than likely watch their team play on the weekend then forget about footy and all the side nonsense for another week.

very few people actually care or pay any attention to this stuff other than die hard supporters like all of us...

 

[Bearded Clam]

Its only going to get bigger and there is no way you can stop the fans wearing it.

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get bigger?.. get bigger than what?.. it was in the media all last week.. the AFL made a final decision, port power have accepted that decision and arent gonna try change things by taking it to court.. in a month or two’s time it will probably all be forgotten about apart from the continued moaning from a few die hards..

 

[El_Scorcho]

Can you see any differences between the above examples you posted, and one sporting organisation applying, of their own free will, to move sporting leagues?

No sorry, we're not as smart as you, why don't you explain the difference to us.

Those milk farmers don't have to sell their milk to Woolies or Coles after all. Nobody is forcing Optus and Vodafone to compete in the Australian telecommunications market.

And then you can explain why bigger and smaller majors sports leagues all over the world can have 2 teams wear the same colours without either team suffering because of it.

 

[El_Scorcho]

That's fine, but remember also those Port fans born in the 00s, 10s, 20s would associate all of the club's success with black, white and teal.

This just shows a complete lack of understanding of why people are engaged by the tradition and heritage of their footy clubs.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Why are you Port fans being so disingenuous about this conversation.

You dont want a "minor" change, you want the agreement scrapped. You might...begrudgingly...for now....setttle to wear the prison bars just for showdowns, but come on now...if you get that....in five years we will be having a conversation about you wearing it for home games.

Then...all games except collingwood.

And then even against Collingwood when we're at home.

That's what I personally want, and nobody is making it a secret. I don't want to have to ask permission to wear our guernsey, I want to be able to wear it at the will of the supporters and club. The supporters ultimately want self determination in regards to our most sacred playing strip. Like every other sports team in a major professional sports league in the world has.

But the club is asking to wear the guernsey in 2 games a year, both held in SA. It's an aesthetic change that will not have an impact on any other team. It's not a rule change, it doesn't change the structure of the competition. It's about as low stakes as it gets for everyone in the AFL community apart from Port Adelaide, and that's why we'll eventually get what we want. We're going to keep asking and we only need the AFL to say yes once and the toothpaste is out of the tube.

 

[AndyD]

Huh?

The reality is that any football club not in the AFL will lose significance, outreach, and influence. The FFC is an example of a club whose star waned upon leaving the league. All SANFL and WAFL clubs are examples of clubs diminished from not being in the premier league. In truth the AFL functions as a monopoly and the VFL clubs prior to AFL formation as an oligopoly. Clubs not in the AFL, for all intents and purposes, became insignificant in the 'football' discussion.

The reality is that the AFL and Port Adelaide's relationship looks to continue for the foreseeable future. Gil will leave one day. The next CEO may have the same attitude. The next 20 may have the same attitude. We only need one and then it is Prison Bars all round! You won't be able to unscramble the egg once the AFL says yes once. You need the support of every CEO and AFL for the rest of time. We only have to win the application once.

I am sure no AFL CEO will ever willingly give Collingwood the ability to walk away from the licensing agreement that binds it to the AFL and create the environment that would allow for a breakaway league. That is exactly what would happen if the AFL were to allow Port to wear their SANFL jumper without Collingwood approval. I am pretty sure 16 other clubs would take a pretty dim view of it also.


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[Lagooner]

yeah... dont think thats anywhere near reality and I pointed it out in my comment last night.. nearly 300,000 port power supporters out there.. yet for 11 months there has been a change.org petition running asking power supporters to sign it in support of the PB’s..

yet barely 40,000 have actually signed it.. 40,000 in 11 months.

so around 250,000 power supporters obviously care so little about the issue that they couldnt be bothered taking just two minutes out of their day to sign the online petition.

seems the “inflamed masses” you speak of really aren’t much more than a noisy minority.

the great majority of power supporters more than likely watch their team play on the weekend then forget about footy and all the side nonsense for another week.

very few people actually care or pay any attention to this stuff other than die hard supporters like all of us...

I honestly don’t know what kind of dumbarse point you think you’re making here. There are obviously two tiers of footy supporters; those who care a little and those who care a lot.

Half the people out there who identify as Crows fans are probably so casual they couldn’t name a current Crows player outside of Walker and Sloane and wouldn’t have even been to a game at Adelaide Oval yet. Is that the type of fan whose opinion you give weight to, or do you listen to the multi-year full season rusted on member who spends hundreds of dollars on merch every year?

I mean seriously think about it. If 40,000 people care enough to sign it well they’re probably the ones at the game. And that’s pretty much everyone that counts.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I am sure no AFL CEO will ever willingly give Collingwood the ability to walk away from the licensing agreement that binds it to the AFL and create the environment that would allow for a breakaway league. That is exactly what would happen if the AFL were to allow Port to wear their SANFL jumper without Collingwood approval. I am pretty sure 16 other clubs would take a pretty dim view of it also.

The concept that Collingwood would try to form a breakaway league if Port were allowed to wear the prison bars twice a year is laughable.

The truth is, we've never had genuine approval from Collingwood, they just sometimes get told by the league to suck it up. We got approval to wear the bars in 2014 in one day, after previously having a request to wear the bars in 2014 as part of the 100th anniversary of an undefeated Champions of Australia season denied.

When it suits the AFL, they can approve the bars very quickly without Collingwood's approval. Collingwood's control over this matter is an illusion that exists because it's politically convenient for it to appear that way.

The idea that the other 16 clubs care about this at all beyond what they could potenitally gain politically by supporting one side or the other if asked is laughable.

 

[Ray Nolan]

That's fine, but remember also those Port fans born in the 00s, 10s, 20s would associate all of the club's success with black, white and teal.

My oldest child is 10 years old. He wants Port to wear the PBs full time. Both he and my daughter have grown up wearing my old PB jumpers that I've kept since my childhood. I see loads of kids wearing PBs at Port games, either last seasons release or hand me downs. The tradition of the guernsey and what it means to our club is infused into the younger generations too.

 

[Jonts]

That's fine, but remember also those Port fans born in the 00s, 10s, 20s would associate all of the club's success with black, white and teal.

I'm a generational port fan who can't remember a time when port wasn't in the AFL

The prison bars mean so much to me and my view of the footy club because the represent the success club had to get ports to the national level. Port didn't just exist their way there like a lot of the club's did. Nor is it a representation of a whole state. They genuinely succeeded to a level where they were too good to be ignored. And the prison bars represent that.

That's why I look at it and love it. What happened in that jumper allowed the Ports to make it. Why with teal I think of thumpings and losses and having a chuckle at 15k for the attendance saying to my mates saying there is no way there is that many of us here.

It's also why you can't add some teal to it and still be representing the same success and heritage. If the club wanted to wear it more than 1 or 2 home games a year I'd understand. Personally I wouldn't want to wear the bars full time. Once or twice a year at home to celebrate what makes us unique on the national stage.


Only semi related I really love the design thats been going around of black wharf pylons on a silver background as a home strip. That and as an away having white wharf pylons on a teal background for away with the the traditional bars once or twice a year would be my ideal.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Its not your traditional jumper, you are the Port Power, the Port Adelaide Magpies exist in the SANFL. End of story.

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[Enviable Tradition]

That's fine, but remember also those Port fans born in the 00s, 10s, 20s would associate all of the club's success with black, white and teal.

Have you actually asked any of them?

You will find many of them have fully embraced the history of the club and love the black and white and the prison bars.

Look at the telecast Saturday night. You will see them everywhere.

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[AndyD]

The concept that Collingwood would try to form a breakaway league if Port were allowed to wear the prison bars twice a year is laughable.

The truth is, we've never had genuine approval from Collingwood, they just sometimes get told by the league to suck it up. We got approval to wear the bars in 2014 in one day, after previously having a request to wear the bars in 2014 as part of the 100th anniversary of an undefeated Champions of Australia season denied.

When it suits the AFL, they can approve the bars very quickly without Collingwood's approval. Collingwood's control over this matter is an illusion that exists because it's politically convenient for it to appear that way.

The idea that the other 16 clubs care about this at all beyond what they could potenitally gain politically by supporting one side or the other if asked is laughable.

The only reason the idea seems laughable is because there is currently an agreement in place that stops that from happening and has done since late 1985. You clearly do not understand the nature of the AFL’s commercial arrangements (and then seperate to that, how vital Collingwood are to those arrangements). If the AFL were to somehow allow Collingwood the ability to escape the licensing agreement (and allowing Port to wear their SANFL jersey without their approval would seem to allow them to do that assuming a condition of assigning those rights that was no other club would be allowed to wear a black and white striped jumper without their approval), pretty much every commercial deal they have would collapse. The biggest one would be the TV deal. As Ross Oakley explained in his book when dealing with this subject, “how could the VFL/AFL could not sell the rights...if they didn’t have the rights to IP of the clubs that were the subject of the broadcast”. In the same chapter he also mentioned how important club jumpers/colours were to the clubs when giving up those rights, so it is hard to believe they wouldn’t do everything in their power to hold the AFL to that agreement, or not exercise their rights to the fullest in the event the AFL breached that agreement.

You are also kidding yourself if you think Collingwood haven’t gotten something undisclosed for not causing any issues in return for each and every time you have worn the prison bars. It is not rocket science to think they have reached their limit of “one off requests” and are now done with allowing Port to wear the prison bars for good.


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[BEEG]

Its not your traditional jumper, you are the Port Power, the Port Adelaide Magpies exist in the SANFL. End of story.

That's the best part Est 1997.

Club choose to move away from the SANFL heritage this was Port Adelaides choice.

Happy to get the supporters in then back flip back to something that people choose to not get behind.

 

[terrybull]

The concept that Collingwood would try to form a breakaway league if Port were allowed to wear the prison bars twice a year is laughable.

The truth is, we've never had genuine approval from Collingwood, they just sometimes get told by the league to suck it up. We got approval to wear the bars in 2014 in one day, after previously having a request to wear the bars in 2014 as part of the 100th anniversary of an undefeated Champions of Australia season denied.

When it suits the AFL, they can approve the bars very quickly without Collingwood's approval. Collingwood's control over this matter is an illusion that exists because it's politically convenient for it to appear that way.

The idea that the other 16 clubs care about this at all beyond what they could potenitally gain politically by supporting one side or the other if asked is laughable.

Maybe Port Adelaide should do a break-away league taking with them Brisbane, Fremantle, Sydney, North Melbourne, Footscray, St.Kilda and Tasmania.

League Wars!!!!!

 

[terrybull]

The concept that Collingwood would try to form a breakaway league if Port were allowed to wear the prison bars twice a year is laughable.

The truth is, we've never had genuine approval from Collingwood, they just sometimes get told by the league to suck it up. We got approval to wear the bars in 2014 in one day, after previously having a request to wear the bars in 2014 as part of the 100th anniversary of an undefeated Champions of Australia season denied.

When it suits the AFL, they can approve the bars very quickly without Collingwood's approval. Collingwood's control over this matter is an illusion that exists because it's politically convenient for it to appear that way.

The idea that the other 16 clubs care about this at all beyond what they could potenitally gain politically by supporting one side or the other if asked is laughable.

Doesn’t the AFL own the rights of all clubs name, mascot and jumper design?

So if Collingwood breaks from the AFL in protest of another club wearing black and white stripes then in their new league they will not be allowed to be called Collingwood Magpies and have black and white stripes.

Seems all AFL clubs are stuck where they are...

 

[ppoiter]

If I signed it in bad faith I would probably recognise that I have to accept it is void and pay the consequences.

Collingwood would be like, you know those free lunches we organised for you. You don't get those any more because we don't do lunch any more, it is now called midday break.

It is not like that at all. Heritage Round has been scrapped, not renamed to Past Appreciation Round

 

[BustedWing]

Because someone on this thread wrote it’s ok if both parties agree.
Must have forgot about Trelor....

Collingwood's legal team (and all club legal teams for that matter) wouldn't be doing their jobs properly if they didnt have a clause written into all player contracts stipulating that they reserve the right to terminate contract (with payout) for certain circumstances.

Makes you wonder...what were the nuffies on Ports Legal team doing back in the mid 90s if the prison bars were so important to them?