Port Supporters feral = myth

[dreamkillers]

Seems like Cornesy can't quite let go yet ... I'm just curious as to which games he thinks the police choose not to enforce a zero tolerance policy to violence? Port home games apparently ...

And poor old Keith. People just want to Getaway, hey ...

Most of these 'stories' have had pretty much only 1 purpose - ratings for 5AA programs instead of any real issues..........the main issue we should be questioning is the higher ticket costs as IMO that is just stupidity by the club even if it is to encourage season ticket sales.

 

[Malibu#27]

Most of these 'stories' have had pretty much only 1 purpose - ratings for 5AA programs instead of any real issues..........the main issue we should be questioning is the higher ticket costs as IMO that is just stupidity by the club even if it is to encourage season ticket sales.

You are right.

Everyone can understand 'why' daily tickets are more (Adelaide markets theirs cheap as their membership is full so they push to fill the house). For Port games we are attempting to protect our members. Now this 'really' depends on how much of daily ticket sales go to the clubs involved - if be get F all for daily tickets, then financially we are better off protecting and growing season tickets.

I'd imagine if daily tickets dropped by say $5.00 that season tickets would have to drop by $50 or so to prevent Season ticket holders dropping off.

I dont know what tickets would have to drop by to encourage more aseason ticket buyers - if we dropped them by 30% would we get an additional 30% more members.

 

[PowerKat]

Gee, lucky no Cow footballer ran into the goal post or there would have been hell to pay if one was a goal post.
Were you there the day that your prize galoot, W. Carey, ran into the goal post and were you one of the Cow supporters who booed the goal post when it was shown shaking on the big screen?
Maybe you were one of those who spat on your players as they were coming off AAMI stadium when they played woefully against whoever it was.
Maybe you were one of those who went around to Robert Shaw's children's school and abused them because your gunka players were as bad at football as he was. Did you throw rocks at his house or damage his car ?

or, maybe the one who grafittied (sp?) AAMI stadium with 'Disgracefull' ?

Just what deluded world are the AFL hierachy living in to believe that Fox & 10 both 'live against the gate' would have no impact on the crowd??

I've stayed home from Crows home showdowns because I've known the game would be likely live due to a sellout, so that I could watch with a group of friends (who would rarely go to the footy these days). This is a 'comfortable' choice compared to:-
- effort to get tix in advance
- pay for said tix
- get to and from footy park in a major crowd scenario
- put up with cows fans telling me I can't support my club / cheer for my team et al & listen to them spouting off about how many frees they should have and we shouldn't have etc etc.

I've been to a fair share but I'm not that fussed if I miss them in recent times. If the game's not live on TV, I'll definitely go.

 

[Crow-mo]

Too expensive is bullshit. I will be buying tickets for the next away Showdown and if I'm tight on money at the time I will just have to make allowances for other things such as alcohol or a night on the town for example.

have to agree.

tickets are so damned cheap these days it's not funny.

how many pints per average ticket price?

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

have to agree.

tickets are so damned cheap these days it's not funny.

how many pints per average ticket price?

Probably about 5 or 6 pints.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I think there is now a whole generation of football supporters in Adelaide who have taken up the game post 1991, and who therefore get affected by simply having an opposition supporter base there. True theater goers.... the normal banter between fans, or regular abuse of their player by an opposition fan set is seen as something to run away from.

Personally I much prefer going to the AFL in Melbourne where as a supporter you are outnumbered, rather than being surrounded by people all thinking the same way.

We have our share of these supporters, but there are a lot more at the mob down the road.

Post of the month.

The Cow fans are classic examples of being able to give it but not take it. They give it to the opposition, fair enough, and then to their own players, and then to each other but when they actually have some Port fans dishing back their bs, they can't stand it.

 

[Paralowiepower]

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,21570001-2682,00.html

'Nothing to fear' at our Showdowns
MICHELANGELO RUCCI, CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER
April 17, 2007 02:15am

SANFL and Port Adelaide Football Club officials have taken exception to a senior AFL executive declaring AAMI Stadium is considered "unsafe" during Showdowns.

The SANFL last night released exclusively to The Advertiser police reports showing there have been only four arrests and 25 evictions from the ground during the past five derbies.
The league also declared not all of the four arrests were for unruly behaviour. Some were for outstanding warrants.

There was one arrest at Showdown XXII on Saturday and four evictions. SANFL chief executive Leigh Whicker last night said he had led an executive team around AAMI Stadium during the second quarter of Showdown XXII to review security issues.

"Our observations were that there was orderly behaviour and a carnival atmosphere in the crowd," he said. "The statements of Showdowns being unsafe is not backed up by fact."

The Power yesterday challenged the AFL to explain commercial operations chief Gillon McLachlan's claim Showdown XXII was not a sell-out because of a fear factor at AAMI Stadium.

Mr McLachlan told The Advertiser on Sunday "some Adelaide fans do not feel safe with Port Adelaide fans".

Showdown XXII drew the lowest attendance - 36,959 - to 51,515-seat AAMI Stadium since the derbies began. The AFL has asked the SANFL, Power and Crows to submit their findings on why the match did not sell-out.

The SANFL's paper listed the live telecast, the Saturday afternoon timing of the derby and ticket prices after a month of major events in Adelaide as the major issues.

 

[Phhht]

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,21570001-2682,00.html

'Nothing to fear' at our Showdowns
MICHELANGELO RUCCI, CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER
April 17, 2007 02:15am

SANFL and Port Adelaide Football Club officials have taken exception to a senior AFL executive declaring AAMI Stadium is considered "unsafe" during Showdowns.

The SANFL last night released exclusively to The Advertiser police reports showing there have been only four arrests and 25 evictions from the ground during the past five derbies.
The league also declared not all of the four arrests were for unruly behaviour. Some were for outstanding warrants.

There was one arrest at Showdown XXII on Saturday and four evictions. SANFL chief executive Leigh Whicker last night said he had led an executive team around AAMI Stadium during the second quarter of Showdown XXII to review security issues.

"Our observations were that there was orderly behaviour and a carnival atmosphere in the crowd," he said. "The statements of Showdowns being unsafe is not backed up by fact."

The Power yesterday challenged the AFL to explain commercial operations chief Gillon McLachlan's claim Showdown XXII was not a sell-out because of a fear factor at AAMI Stadium .....................................................

Hooray - finally the beginning of some sense from the powers that be. This bs from people like bill + ben and cows scaremongering posters like relapse will be shown to be what it really is - utter cr@p.

 

[PowerKat]

The ticket price issue is questionable. I'll be paying $42.50 x2 to get into the 'G this week. Good seats at AAMI for the showdown were $28.00.

 

[Pinepower]

I have been thinking about this and after my experience on Saturday I would not go to a Crows Home Showdown as I would feel unsafe after all the abuse I copped.

Funny thing is he would not realise that he was abusive because he was Crows he was right on all issues from Goodwin betting, to drugs as no one on the team would take them.

He was so against Rucci's Roast so I told him not to read it but when I said I KG and Cornsey were so against Port they were the equivalent of Rucci on the radio he said I could turn the radio off but he had to read the paper.


Logic defied me in the end

So this is what I have come up with.

There are two Showdowns a year.
Each club have season tickets of 10 games

Showdowns are then divided so that each team get half the stadium for each game. I would not like it segregated but there should be a way to divide the stadium in half.

Then the clubs could offer these to members in any way they like so that when the packages come out maybe they offer a choice of which one.

No one is disadvantaged as all should get one showdown as they do now but it would take out the home game factor.

I would also have some of the game day tickets with the proceeds split between the two clubs.

I read in the paper that one Crows fan just did not see why she should have to pay for a ticket to a Port home game (again defies logic) do Crows fans only attend AAMI stadium.

If both clubs "owned" showdown then both would have to promote it.

 

[KingAragorn]

Being a Crow (nee Cow) supporter I felt quite safe at the game with my two boys (Under 11s). All supporters were well behaved and had enjoyable banter between each other as the game progressed.

I feel that live game against the gate should only happen where all tickets are sold.

Just my 2 bits worth.

Cheers

 

[Paralowiepower]

The ticket price issue is questionable. I'll be paying $42.50 x2 to get into the 'G this week. Good seats at AAMI for the showdown were $28.00.

You can buy general admission at the gate for around $20.00

 

[Andre]

Rucci should be doing the obvious right now - get the numbers of arrests at Crows games the last 2 or 3 years, then the same at Port games. Put the raw figures and arrests per 10k (as they get larger crowds).

If they show we get less arrests per capita, as the numbers from the police and their comments imply, then he should publish them in a cowtiser article along with a demand that KG and Cornes apologise for saying Port fans are feral when the statistics clearly show that the problem is the adelaide fans.

 

[Paralowiepower]

Some Crow lady rang 5AA last night a nurse, saying she had no problems at all, then got to her car and every panel was scratched with keys and people saw Port supporters run off. She thanked Stillwell Ford for giving her a loan car, and Cornsey asked how they found out. She replied she did not know. 1/2 later a guy had rung up saying she heard the same lady ringing up other radio stations with her sob story trying to get things out of them.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Wasn't there a scaremongering campaign all week by KG and Cornesy to keep away Cow fans. That might have kept them away too. Maybe.

 

[Steve Dore]

Wasn't there a scaremongering campaign all week by KG and Cornesy to keep away Cow fans. That might have kept them away too. Maybe.

Apparently so. KG and Cornesy on Five Double Crow, mission accomplished.

Well done guys

 

[Paralowiepower]

Wasn't there a scaremongering campaign all week by KG and Cornesy to keep away Cow fans. That might have kept them away too. Maybe.

I have no doubt it did.

 

[Steve Dore]

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,21570001-2682,00.html

'Nothing to fear' at our Showdowns
MICHELANGELO RUCCI, CHIEF FOOTBALL WRITER
April 17, 2007 02:15am

...... police reports showing there have been only four arrests and 25 evictions from the ground during the past five derbies.
The league also declared not all of the four arrests were for unruly behaviour. Some were for outstanding warrants.
......

Rucci should be doing the obvious right now - get the numbers of arrests at Crows games the last 2 or 3 years, then the same at Port games. Put the raw figures and arrests per 10k (as they get larger crowds).

If they show we get less arrests per capita, as the numbers from the police and their comments imply, then he should publish them in a cowtiser article along with a demand that KG and Cornes apologise for saying Port fans are feral when the statistics clearly show that the problem is the adelaide fans.

Arrests for outstanding warrants have no bearing on crowd behavior at all so the statistics would still be meaningless.

Port home game: Joe Blogs arrested for $1000 in unpaid speeding fines
Crows home game: Rob Gerard arrested for defrauding ATO of $75M

 

[Crow Envy]

Rucci should be doing the obvious right now - get the numbers of arrests at Crows games the last 2 or 3 years, then the same at Port games. Put the raw figures and arrests per 10k (as they get larger crowds).

If they show we get less arrests per capita, as the numbers from the police and their comments imply, then he should publish them in a cowtiser article along with a demand that KG and Cornes apologise for saying Port fans are feral when the statistics clearly show that the problem is the adelaide fans.

Why should Rucc write that? As a journalist his agenda should not be to discredit the Crows at any opporutiny. I can understand a Port supporter would want to do that, but he is journo first.

Secondly KG said all teams had ferals, not just Port. It was all the callers and emails they received that were forcing the issue not to go away.

And arrests dont mean a great deal if the incidents dont get reported or acted upon.

 

[Steve Dore]

.... It was all the callers and emails they received that were forcing the issue not to go away.

So these callers were put to air and the emails read out with out KG and Cornesy's knowledge Sounds like the Alan Jones defense to me.

 

[Malibu#27]

Why should Rucc write that? As a journalist his agenda should not be to discredit the Crows at any opporutiny. I can understand a Port supporter would want to do that, but he is journo first.

Secondly KG said all teams had ferals, not just Port. It was all the callers and emails they received that were forcing the issue not to go away.

And arrests dont mean a great deal if the incidents dont get reported or acted upon.

But Cornsey definitiely tried to indicate - all of last week that Port supporters are the problem. KG - was the same, and callers that put forward points that countered that (even ones not blaming the crows) seemed to be cut short.

 

[Pinepower]

Some Crow lady rang 5AA last night a nurse, saying she had no problems at all, then got to her car and every panel was scratched with keys and people saw Port supporters run off. She thanked Stillwell Ford for giving her a loan car, and Cornsey asked how they found out. She replied she did not know. 1/2 later a guy had rung up saying she heard the same lady ringing up other radio stations with her sob story trying to get things out of them.

I think it was the same one who rang 891 yesterday and also had story in Advertiser this morning. (page 7)

[FONT="Courier New"]SHOWDOWN         CROWD       ARRESTS        EVICTIONS
XX11  2007       36959          1                4
XX1   2006       41549          3                3
XX    2006       42723          0                6
X1X   2005       50521          0                2
XV111 2005       45199          0               10

TOTALS          216951          4               25[/FONT]

SA Police reports show some arrests not for unruly behaviour but on outstanding warrants
Source SANFL (from the Advertiser 17/4/07 page 7)

( Sorry I am not good at doing tables )

 

[dreamkillers]

Why should Rucc write that? As a journalist his agenda should not be to discredit the Crows at any opporutiny. I can understand a Port supporter would want to do that, but he is journo first.

Actually as a journalist for a 'commercial' company Rucci's agenda is to write articles on items/themes that senior management/board request to increase sales/income for the company........for some reason the overwhelming majority of his critics seem to completely miss that point as the paper's income/revenue keeps on increasing.


KG and Cornes do the exact same thing for the 'commercial' company they are employed by...........income comes first before even looking at what actually happens.....as long as their ratings increase they couldn't care less if they continue ignoring reality.


Pretty simple really.

 

[Crow Envy]

Actually as a journalist for a 'commercial' company Rucci's agenda is to write articles on items/themes that senior management/board request to increase sales/income for the company........for some reason the overwhelming majority of his critics seem to completely miss that point as the paper's income/revenue keeps on increasing.


KG and Cornes do the exact same thing for the 'commercial' company they are employed by...........income comes first before even looking at what actually happens.....as long as their ratings increase they couldn't care less if they continue ignoring reality.


Pretty simple really.

But the flaw in your argument is do you honestly think Crows supporters buy the paper to read the crap Rucc writes about the Crows? If anything it turns readers off. Its hardly going to sell more papers. And as he seems to write the majority of articles on us eventually more people will not buy the paper. I subscribe to the Advertiser and when its up Im seriously considering not renewing and I will be letting them know why.

 

[Crow-mo]

Port home game: Joe Blogs arrested for $1000 in unpaid speeding fines
Crows home game: Rob Gerard arrested for defrauding ATO of $75M

Joe Blogs should get a real job then