Autopsy Positives and Negatives vs Port Adelaide

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I did the AFL ladder predictor i could see us only winning 2 games this year.

Eagles will be a team players want to come too as they know they will get a game of footy if they are half decent.

Please don't look for a short term fix, select no one above the age of 20.

And never pay anymore that a 2nd round draft pick for a player from another team if he is over 22 we need to rebuild with youth.
 
Gee i loved Luke Shuey as a player but even he is trying to pull the blanket over everyones eyes….

This and i quote “We’ve got plenty of young guys playing footy for us at the moment. ( really?”)

“We’re confident they’re going to reach a level where they can carry the club forward themselves and our older group of players need to continue to show the way and play good footy.””


“If we’re not doing that, nobody is gifted a game of footy in this competition and it shouldn’t be that way.”

Yeah right… ok no one is gifted a game huh?
 

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Shuey is arguably not even B22. He's so far off being an A grader right now, he's playing at half pace with his broken body because the club hasn't drafted and developed anyone else.

Surprised his DE% and turnover numbers aren't more like Kelly's. The amount of times he coughed the pill up yesterday with a squib/old effort, or turned it over by foot was alarming for your captain.

Then there's star recruit Kelly running around at 58%DE with 10 turnovers and another FA, so 11 clangers. The sad thing is, fans, including myself are all happy with his game. That's how low the bar has been set now.

Meanwhile what has happend to Yeo since 2019 is just sad. Prime years ruined by injury. Bloke is a shadow of his former self, in skill, fitness and desire.

Sooner we can move away from these guys and start pinning our midfield hopes on someone else, the better. I'm actually keen to get Sheed back. Yikes.
 
Dark Sharks said:
Shuey is arguably not even B22. He's so far off being an A grader right now, he's playing at half pace with his broken body because the club hasn't drafted and developed anyone else.

Surprised his DE% and turnover numbers aren't more like Kelly's. The amount of times he coughed the pill up yesterday with a squib/old effort, or turned it over by foot was alarming for your captain.

Then there's star recruit Kelly running around at 58%DE with 10 turnovers and another FA, so 11 clangers. The sad thing is, fans, including myself are all happy with his game. That's how low the bar has been set now.

Meanwhile what has happend to Yeo since 2019 is just sad. Prime years ruined by injury. Bloke is a shadow of his former self, in skill, fitness and desire.

Sooner we can move away from these guys and start pinning our midfield hopes on someone else, the better. I'm actually keen to get Sheed back. Yikes.
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Look how excited by Naish we all are. He's bog average but at least he plays like he isn't handcuffed and wearing concrete boots.

The team is at a very low ebb.
 
InTheWings said:
And the coach the was John Todd, who got sacked that year for supposedly being too tough on the players...
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Players have to push through pretty extreme mental and physical barriers over and over at AFL level. It requires a level of "carrot and stick" as does all performance in reality, negative and positive outcomes attributable to actions. It requires a level of force certainly but mostly; a belief the result and positive outcomes, will be worth the pain. As such the positive outcomes must consistently outweigh or at least for a time; promise to eventually outweigh the pain, in order for the effort to be repeatable. When that belief is just not there, certainly one possible response is to drastically up the enforcement and hope that an ensuing improvement will concomitantly increase the belief that repeating those sacrifices will be worth the end results.
The players made it crystal clear in 1989, including a halftime revolt in a different game, that belief was never coming.
 
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Dark Sharks said:
Shuey is arguably not even B22. He's so far off being an A grader right now, he's playing at half pace with his broken body because the club hasn't drafted and developed anyone else.

Surprised his DE% and turnover numbers aren't more like Kelly's. The amount of times he coughed the pill up yesterday with a squib/old effort, or turned it over by foot was alarming for your captain.

Then there's star recruit Kelly running around at 58%DE with 10 turnovers and another FA, so 11 clangers. The sad thing is, fans, including myself are all happy with his game. That's how low the bar has been set now.

Meanwhile what has happend to Yeo since 2019 is just sad. Prime years ruined by injury. Bloke is a shadow of his former self, in skill, fitness and desire.

Sooner we can move away from these guys and start pinning our midfield hopes on someone else, the better. I'm actually keen to get Sheed back. Yikes.
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Yup I tend to agree those three have been a huge let down since the flag

Shuey needs to give the captaincy away for the good of the club and concentrate on getting his body right and playing some good footy in his twilight years

Kelly just needs to be more consistent week after week and show us why we got him from Geelong...still hope he can come good but he is the shadow of a the player he was at geelong

Yeo ..again get your body right just so disappointing seeing him become an average player atm....looks frustrated all the time and is really letting the club down and his team mates when he is playing
 
Barrass is not doing his captaincy chances any arm at least.

Bloke has been very good this year. Backs against the wall effort and consistency goes a long way with fans when the team is down. It means more.



Should be top 3 in our B&F with Naish and McGovern IMO.
 

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garlic munchers said:
We are irrelevant.

Now I can finally be empathic about Fremantle.
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don’t worry too much, freo are mediocre at best.

Premiership hero Sean Darcy will be lucky to play half the games Nic Nat has with his knees. should join Nic Nat at weight watchers.

could probably save some $$$ with a group membership
 
ziad said:
Nisbett and the club are paying for the sins of the past. Poor management and leadership over years is the root cause. Coaching is a factor but coaches are the tip of the ice berg. Years of inbred arrogance and a failure to move forward with the primary if not sole aim of winning footy. Far too many distractions and a lack of leadership when things are not on track as evident by the excuses and rationalisation.

It may be ok for the boot studder to be on staff for 30 years now cleaning the moulded soles, but key performance enhancers such as sports scientists and medical specialists need to be refreshed with the best people informed by world leading developments. List management and development must see out 5-10 years and ensure that the list is continually developed in line with a strong and clearly enunciated game winning strategy.

When you greatest achievement is to build a school 1000'skm away and a modest suburban developmenr with a suspect playing surface the plot is lost in a smokescreen of jumbled priorities.

Darren Glass was an inspired recruiting on mangy levels as a very smart manager and leader. He left to lead the WA branch of a very innovative technology firm with an industry leading business model. I have recently had a dealing with them. I wonderoif Darren was drawn to this forward looking environment after seeing how WC was living in the past within its own bubble?

This problem was created over many years and will take time to fix. Players look to not care, they may not but it is hard for a player playing above their ability when they have failed leadership arround you - on and off the field.
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Glass did nothing as a recruiter mainly because he was only there for a short time. Once again, one of the main causes of our current dilemna is that we haven't been able to recruit well due to a combination of lack of draft picks and a bit of bad luck with injury. The club definitely has been going backward since 2018 but you can understand that there was some optimism gicen we won the premiership and also welcomed back Naitanui, Shepperd and Gaff. It didn't work out and last year told us that we needed to make change. Hurm and Kennedy should have retired and maybe, just maybe that would have given Brander an opportunity to become a key forward, The jury is still out on that but we were never going to win a premiership anyway and persevering with those 2 older players blocked other's developments so we reap what we sow. I agree that we have been pretty poor in list management and I think we are the only club I know that have made trades backwards so often to accommodate other clubs. It hasn't translated to pay back so there has been no need to do it. Freo, on the other hand since bell has taken over has been tough and had the finger on the pulse so have been able to take advantage of other clubs difficulties to capitalise so have gained some good picks. O'Brien hasn't been in the loop or just didn't have the vision. The years of "inbred arrogance" have made us the most successful interstate club by far so I think that is a major exaggeration. Yes we are in trouble at the moment but it is not the end of the world. Given that we will get high draft picks, a couple of good decisions will help boost it up a bit. It will take maybe a couple of years but I think this was unavoidable in the current situation.
 
The wily weagle said:
We got smacked by almost 90 points by a team that hadn't won a game prior to yesterday. Let that sink in

Our senior core simply cannot all be selected next week after serving up that effort

But they will. We all know they will
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I put myself through the agony of watching that game again. It wasn't as bad as I thought, there was a lot of luck involved and in the second quarter we got crucified by the umpires which stopped any momentum. That's not to say we weren't bad as there were some dreadful efforts and many of the goals scored against were due to our old habits of guarding space rather than the man. There are quite a few of our newer guys who have a dip but panic when they get the ball and that leads to turnovers particularly when our system doesn't set up well however there was more endeavour than I first thought. It is a shame to see our older players deteriorate so much. Kennedy made his career on second efforts but now he makes a token lead, often misjudges the flight and rarely chases. Hurn still sets up well but is a momentum killer and puts himself under pressure nearly all the time. Shuey, Kelly, Redden, Yeo and Darling are trying hard but have to work to do it so they run out of legs. Witherden is quite slow and that would be OK as he is a good ball user but Foley looks even slower and never gets over a slow jog. I wouldn't have him in the team unless really short of players. Nelson has a go but guards space. Rioli and Ryan just didn't put effort in. Langdon would be the slowest small player I have seen and in my view is in the same boat as Foley. ie Below AFL standard. Edwards has lost all confidence. Given that Rotham has also gone backward we need to instill the run back in to our game instead of looking for the backward kick all the time. If there are errors in doing that, so be it. I'd rather that happen than just kick the ball backward and forward until they make a mistake. I'M mystified why they select Waterman and then try and use him to patch up the midfield and backline. He trains and plays forward in the WAFL so drop Kennedy and give him a crack at full forward. If he doesn't make it then we can look at if he can succeed elsewhere but he simply isn't getting a fair go at the moment. Port aren't much good either. They had one of those days when all went their way. Glad we have their second round draft pick as it looks like a good one to have.
 
Winky said:
Glass did nothing as a recruiter mainly because he was only there for a short time. Once again, one of the main causes of our current dilemna is that we haven't been able to recruit well due to a combination of lack of draft picks and a bit of bad luck with injury. The club definitely has been going backward since 2018 but you can understand that there was some optimism gicen we won the premiership and also welcomed back Naitanui, Shepperd and Gaff. It didn't work out and last year told us that we needed to make change. Hurm and Kennedy should have retired and maybe, just maybe that would have given Brander an opportunity to become a key forward, The jury is still out on that but we were never going to win a premiership anyway and persevering with those 2 older players blocked other's developments so we reap what we sow. I agree that we have been pretty poor in list management and I think we are the only club I know that have made trades backwards so often to accommodate other clubs. It hasn't translated to pay back so there has been no need to do it. Freo, on the other hand since bell has taken over has been tough and had the finger on the pulse so have been able to take advantage of other clubs difficulties to capitalise so have gained some good picks. O'Brien hasn't been in the loop or just didn't have the vision. The years of "inbred arrogance" have made us the most successful interstate club by far so I think that is a major exaggeration. Yes we are in trouble at the moment but it is not the end of the world. Given that we will get high draft picks, a couple of good decisions will help boost it up a bit. It will take maybe a couple of years but I think this was unavoidable in the current situation.
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We are last thats reality. I think it could well;l be argued that we have a history of underachieving. 92, fail, 94 alcould have been a dynasty but we drung our own bath water due to culture.
06 - then fail due to culture
2018 - Riioli killed our finals - culture??

In all instances dilegent management and leadership could have seen us have a few more cups to display. We are now last and surrounded by supportes (some) and perhaps an MC who think Brander was god unrisen and Waterman is waiting to emerege as the next Carey (Just mismanged and robbed of opportubities). Our mids are slow mostly C grade, our defenders are slow and highly predictable, our tall forwards play as smalls less the pressure and our small forwards are either injured or lazy.

If you assembled a table of footy geniuses and said our wins are often on the back of a single ruckman who is also our only really effective grand ball contested mid - but is 30 with 2 knee recon, our key forward is over the hill, our best defender is over the hill, our intercepting marker is excellent but injury prone. When simmo arrived he said our weekness was our midfield - they are all now much older and slower.

You may with this info have dveloped a list development strategy to address these huge risks not wait to fall off the clift.
 
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Winky said:
Glass did nothing as a recruiter mainly because he was only there for a short time. Once again, one of the main causes of our current dilemna is that we haven't been able to recruit well due to a combination of lack of draft picks and a bit of bad luck with injury. The club definitely has been going backward since 2018 but you can understand that there was some optimism gicen we won the premiership and also welcomed back Naitanui, Shepperd and Gaff. It didn't work out and last year told us that we needed to make change. Hurm and Kennedy should have retired and maybe, just maybe that would have given Brander an opportunity to become a key forward, The jury is still out on that but we were never going to win a premiership anyway and persevering with those 2 older players blocked other's developments so we reap what we sow. I agree that we have been pretty poor in list management and I think we are the only club I know that have made trades backwards so often to accommodate other clubs. It hasn't translated to pay back so there has been no need to do it. Freo, on the other hand since bell has taken over has been tough and had the finger on the pulse so have been able to take advantage of other clubs difficulties to capitalise so have gained some good picks. O'Brien hasn't been in the loop or just didn't have the vision. The years of "inbred arrogance" have made us the most successful interstate club by far so I think that is a major exaggeration. Yes we are in trouble at the moment but it is not the end of the world. Given that we will get high draft picks, a couple of good decisions will help boost it up a bit. It will take maybe a couple of years but I think this was unavoidable in the current situation.
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Is that the same brander no one was interested in and is now not even in the giants best 30 players even after they have basically dropped or have missing their best 3 forwards???
Nah he wouldn’t have made an ounce of difference.. maybe he was a case of we have seen what he is and he is rubbish… shame they haven’t already decided that on nelson and waterman
 
ziad said:
We are last thats reality. I think it could well;l be argued that we have a history of underachieving. 92, fail, 94 alcould have been a dynasty but we drung our own bath water due to culture.
06 - then fail due to culture
2018 - Riioli killed our finals - culture??

In all instances dilegent management and leadership could have seen us have a few more cups to display. We are now last and surrounded by supportes (some) and perhaps an MC who think Brander was god unrisen and Waterman is waiting to emerege as the next Carey (Just mismanged and robbed of opportubities). Our mids are slow mostly C grade, our defenders are slow and highly predictable, our tall forwards play as smalls less the pressure and our small forwards are either injured or lazy.

If you assembled a table of footy geniuses and said our wins are often on the back of a single ruckman who is also our only really effective grand ball contested mid - but is 30 with 2 knee recon, our key forward is over the hill, our best defender is over the hill, our intercepting marker is excellent but injury prone. When simmo arrived he said our weekness was our midfield - they are all now much older and slower.

You may with this info have dveloped a list development strategy to address these huge risks not wait to fall off the clift.
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Yes there were some problems primarily in midfield recruitment but there has been a lot of good management in between. The travel factor has impacted us more than anybody bar Freo and we still have a good record in terms of finals in the AFL era. @018 was not a dominant year for the club but we still got a premiership. I honestly think this year was unavoidable but we have made it harder than it should be. It's not slash the wrist time yet even though you may feel that is the case
 

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