Autopsy Positives and Negatives vs Port Adelaide

[Cornelius Roy]

Back in the day we used to be regarded as one of the fittest teams in the comp. I'm not sure if that was due to individuals being good runners, the coaching, being on the gear or what but now we are seen as at the low end. Considering all our staff has been there for 30 years, what happened?

Cousins, Judd, Kerr, Braun, Cox setting training standards and holding players to account vs what we have now.

These blokes used to walk away from a season with the sole focus of coming back next season fitter, stronger, faster. The attitude now seems moreso to be players need time away from the game, here's your summer plan please stick to it as best possible. If they don't who is holding them to account, McGovern? Naitanui?

There's a very big difference in having a team committed to winning a GF and a team happy to collect their match payment. Right now, we're miles away from the former and it's very evident in our players attitude & conditioning regardless of any COVID challenges.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Wish this team was more like Cuz and Kerr.

Criminals make better footballers.

 

[Truckosaurus]

Wish this team was more like Cuz and Kerr.

Criminals make better footballers.

That's been Collingwood's strategy from Day 1.

 

[navi_]

Kane on the money.

The thing with the whole skinfold thing is it isn't exactly the extra weight u carry that breaks the bank (in some cases and over years of a career obviously it can add up). but its more that if you're letting your standards slip with your conditioning/weight then what other areas are u also letting standards slip.

Just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[The wily weagle]

We don't need criminals per se', but we definitely need some guys with a harder edge

I get that the club doesn't want to experience post 2006 recriminations again, but its no good recruiting all these clean cut, straight laced kids if they aren't prepared to be savage and go hard on the field

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

We need a scale that only has two points on it.

At one end you have your Chris Masten

Chris Masten

Age

35

Ht

180cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.8

5star

K

10.9

4star

HB

9.9

5star

M

4.1

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

14.8

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

5.0

5star

one off drunken punch that everyone's forgotten about, or raging psychopath burn down your house Crazy Kerr.

Nothing in between like the rest of the board

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Back in the day we used to be regarded as one of the fittest teams in the comp. I'm not sure if that was due to individuals being good runners, the coaching, being on the gear or what but now we are seen as at the low end. Considering all our staff has been there for 30 years, what happened?

What happens is the rest of the competition gets a little bit better each year. So teams that are standing still, are actually going backwards when compared against other teams.

And with teams generally being so professional these days, small differences between teams can make a huge difference on the scoreboard. You only need a couple of unfit and underdone players and the opposition will punish you, because they can suddenly start to turn 2-on-2 contests into 2-on-3, or put more crumbers around their full forward, or push an extra man into defence, or whatever.

The best teams have almost zero weak links. At least, not in terms of fitness.

 

[Matera92]

For all his off field faults, Ben Cousins was a great on field leader.

He set the benchmark in terms of running and fitness for the other mids to follow. Chris Judd has acknowledged it was Cousins training standards that helped propel him to be the player he was.

I'd back him to beat 2/3rds our current list in a 2km time trial.

 

[DanWCE]

I'd back him to beat 2/3rds our current list in a 2km time trial.

Bandy even mentioned on the podcast that Rd1 2007 we fronted up with a trip on the road to knock off the Swans after coming off a flag and that the boys would've celebrated that flag pretty hard as well.

For all their party boy antics that group played just as hard and trained several houses down to be that fit.

 

[Wild Kelly]

Cousins, Judd, Kerr, Braun, Cox setting training standards and holding players to account vs what we have now.

These blokes used to walk away from a season with the sole focus of coming back next season fitter, stronger, faster. The attitude now seems moreso to be players need time away from the game, here's your summer plan please stick to it as best possible. If they don't who is holding them to account, McGovern? Naitanui?

There's a very big difference in having a team committed to winning a GF and a team happy to collect their match payment. Right now, we're miles away from the former and it's very evident in our players attitude & conditioning regardless of any COVID challenges.

If you are referring to Gov's fitness this year you, and a few others on here, are being way too harsh. He is possibly in career best condition for the start of this year which was evidenced in his performances in games he has played. Give him a flipping break!

 

[WCErevival]

Maybe we need to get Hakea's conditioning team in

 

[Cornelius Roy]

If you are referring to Gov's fitness this year you, and a few others on here, are being way too harsh. He is possibly in career best condition for the start of this year which was evidenced in his performances in games he has played. Give him a f*n break!

You’re right, he’s definitely pulled his socks up and is looking noticeably leaner this year.

With that said, I left him in there as I think the point still stands historically he’s not the one who has been leading training standards nor do I believe he’s enforcing them in the wider playing group which he absolutely should be given the amount we’re paying him.

 

[Wild Kelly]

You’re right, he’s definitely pulled his socks up and is looking noticeably leaner this year.

With that said, I left him in there as I think the point still stands historically he’s not the one who has been leading training standards nor do I believe he’s enforcing them in the wider playing group which he absolutely should be given the amount we’re paying him.

Have you been to training?

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Have you been to training?

Have you seen our team play?

 

[Wild Kelly]

Have you seen our team play?

Yes, but that's not what I asked. Gov is a leader on the field. He and Hurn organise the backs usually under relentless pressure. I've been to two training sessions this year and he is also a leader there giving encouragement and having a real crack in the drills.

 

[Godfather32]

Back in the day we used to be regarded as one of the fittest teams in the comp. I'm not sure if that was due to individuals being good runners, the coaching, being on the gear or what but now we are seen as at the low end. Considering all our staff has been there for 30 years, what happened?

Team is stale across the board, need fresh ideas in all areas of the club

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Yes, but that's not what I asked. Gov is a leader on the field. He and Hurn organise the backs usually under relentless pressure. I've been to two training sessions this year and he is also a leader there giving encouragement and having a real crack in the drills.

I think there’s a pretty big difference between what youre describing you’re seeing and what my expectations are in holding players to elite training and conditioning standards in the vein of cousins, Braun etc. I mean if he’s not doing what you’re describing on the money he is on, he may as well not even be out there…

And yes I have been to eagles training sessions but usually they’re interstate match prep sessions, so watered down versions of what a hard pre-season session would be.

Regardless I think the performance standards are pretty telling.

 

[ziad]

Cousins, Judd, Kerr, Braun, Cox setting training standards and holding players to account vs what we have now.

These blokes used to walk away from a season with the sole focus of coming back next season fitter, stronger, faster. The attitude now seems moreso to be players need time away from the game, here's your summer plan please stick to it as best possible. If they don't who is holding them to account, McGovern? Naitanui?

There's a very big difference in having a team committed to winning a GF and a team happy to collect their match payment. Right now, we're miles away from the former and it's very evident in our players attitude & conditioning regardless of any COVID challenges.

I used to run at McGilveray over Christmas when in Perth. Dumb stuff like Christmas morning ect for fun with a few others. Cuz was often there on his own doing hard intervals, unlike me. Self motivation seems to be lost.

The stories of Barry Cable running 10km ever day.

There is a sign on the wall of the AIS pool, Everybody wants to be a champion, not many want to do the work required. As an outside its hard to know where the problem lies, split between management setting programmes and checking on compliance/progress and individual players being responsible for their own work.

 

[Wild Kelly]

I think there’s a pretty big difference between what youre describing you’re seeing and what my expectations are in holding players to elite training and conditioning standards in the vein of cousins, Braun etc. I mean if he’s not doing what you’re describing on the money he is on, he may as well not even be out there…

And yes I have been to eagles training sessions but usually they’re interstate match prep sessions, so watered down versions of what a hard pre-season session would be.

Regardless I think the performance standards are pretty telling.

Agreed, but you, like a few others, singled out Gov as not being in good condition. And, as I said, he is possibly in the best condition of his career. So you might need to get off the bandwagon of abuse.
Every one of you critics raise the amount of money he is allegedly earning in your comments. Sounds like a fair bit of good old tall poppy syndrome to me. And just remember, he took a temporary cut to help retain some players on our list.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

Agreed, but you, like a few others, singled out Gov as not being in good condition. And, as I said, he is possibly in the best condition of his career. So you might need to get off the bandwagon of abuse.
Every one of you critics raise the amount of money he is allegedly earning in your comments. Sounds like a fair bit of good old tall poppy syndrome to me. And just remember, he took a temporary cut to help retain some players on our list.

Actually, I singled out Gov as not holding the wider player group to the training standard cousins, Judd and Braun comparatively did, just as I did shuey earlier in the week but if you want to go full reee victim complex on behalf of a bloke on at least $900k a year I’m fully comfortable with my position and comfortable with disagreeing with your opinion.

 

[Wild Kelly]

Actually, I singled out Gov as not holding the wider player group to the training standard cousins, Judd and Braun comparatively did, just as I did shuey earlier in the week but if you want to go full reee victim complex on behalf of a bloke on at least $900k a year I’m fully comfortable with my position and comfortable with disagreeing with your opinion.

You do that..... and don't forget to keep mentioning how much money you think he earns. That's not a fault of his. Good on him I say. He has been our best performing player this year and deserving of his income. Do you consider that Ryan has been worth his income ..... what ~$450k. Is O'Neil worth his $200k? Doubtful. But let's have a crack at a guy who is performing. Like I said, jealousy and good old Aussie tall poppy syndrome.

 

[Schtinker]

Sorry I took so long to post in this thread. I got lost looking for the positives.