Training Pre-Season 2023 (First game 18/3 v North)

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Honestly Shuey has been a fantastic servant of the club, but I think he would have been better served relinquishing the captaincy and working on getting his body right

For me, next year (all going well) I would be electing Barrass captain, with potentially Oscar Allen vice captain (if he can remain healthy)

Shuey should have retired instead of Redden.
 

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I don't know. There are some decent highlights in here. As others have said, I think the frustrating thing is that for every nice highlight that he has, Williams seems to have a brainfade/facepalm moment as well. He's still only 22 and for a ruckman, that's pretty young. Other than Nic Nat, not many ruckmen burst onto the scene right away - see Darcy Cameron, Tim English, Max Gawn (albeit had injury concerns), Marc Pittonet, there would be a lot of other examples.

With his game against Rowan Marshall last year and the Geelong game, I think he's proved he can be capable at AFL level. He just needs to try and get some consistency now - both game to game and quarter to quarter within a game - and really work on his forward craft, because if Nic is fit, he'll need to have an impact as a forward. If he doesn't, Jamieson may overtake him as second ruck pretty quickly.

Personally I'm still pretty confident he'll come good though and at least be a serviceable ruckman throughout his career.
 
I would just be happy to see Bailey Williams this season going for his marks, 2 handed

I cannot tell you the amount of times I have sworn at the television watching him go for a mark with one hand reaching for the ball, and his other hand positioned about a foot back behind it

Any wonder he doesn't clunk these marking attempts and looks clumsy
 
• Shuey not travelling to Melbourne with senior teammates for media commitments. Begs the question why the **** we have to send players over at all
• Had some hamstring tightness after Fridays match sim but ran Monday & Wednesday and is expected to suit up tomorrow for further match practice
• Expected that Shuey will be managed carefully this season so I anticipate he’ll be tested from some games
• Just 4 players in rehab, none of whom are considered long term injuries- LEdwards, Petruccelle, Barnett and Chesser. (Not in the article but Bazzo will make 5 when he does return. Also Dewar and Baker aren’t fully training from what I’ve seen)

As a final note, I’ll reiterate why the **** are we expected to send players to Melbourne for media commitments FFS




West Coast expect captain Luke Shuey to take part in match simulation on Friday morning and have doused injury concerns after he did not join senior teammates travelling to Melbourne for AFL media commitments.
Shuey, 32, was spared the almost eight hours on planes that the trip would have meant after experiencing some hamstring tightness following last week’s match simulation.


He played two 20-minute segments last Friday, came off the field but ran flat out doing a series of sprints during breaks in play.

The club opted for a safety-first approach with him this week after he reported some tightness post-match and decided to spare him the turnaround from a trip to Melbourne before Friday.

He trained lightly on Monday and moved freely, running laps alongside fellow veteran Shannon Hurn and young ruck/forward Bailey Williams at training on Wednesday.

Shuey is expected to be managed carefully all season after finally overcoming a series of soft tissue issues that had affected his 2020 and 2021 seasons.

He missed five games after three separate hamstring injuries in 2020, then played just seven games in 2021 after more soft tissue problems, acknowledging he seriously considered handing over the captaincy ahead of the club’s disastrous 2022 campaign.

But he rallied and played 17 of the club’s 22 matches. At least two of the five games he missed were due to Covid, not soft tissue problems.

The Eagles are experimenting with Shuey at halfback in a bid to lighten the load on his body. Shuey expressed cautious optimism that he was through the worst of his soft tissue issues when announced as captain two weeks ago.

“Going well at the moment,” he said.

“There has been thought as to whether it was time to move on. I think ahead of last year I did my hammy about this time and gave it some real thought as to whether I just hand it off and get on with the job. Fortunately I was able to play a bit of footy last year.”

“When you go through the injury cycle when you just can’t get right you are constantly trying new things and changing things. I have tried a lot over the past few years. I felt like I found a pretty good routine last year and played a bit of footy.

“I only ended up missing two or three games through injury and other games with Covid. I feel like I have found a pretty good routine that works for me, but it gets harder this side of 30.”

West Coast have just four players in their rehab group none of whom are considered long term injuries: Luke Edwards (quad), Jack Petruccelle (ankle), young ruckman Harry Barnett (ankle) and Campbell Chesser (foot), who is fit but being taken along slowly after playing just five matches of football in three seasons because of a combination of Victoria’s Covid lockdown followed by serious knee and ankle issues.

But the club is treading carefully with as many as 16 players on their list who had significant injury issues last year and have to be eased back to football.
 
Everyone knows it takes 5 years for a Norm Smith medalist to develop into a dual Norm Smith medalist
Not dissimilar to the expected progression of a young ruck’s dog. Declaring Jamo’s pooch a cert for the 2028 Caltex Cup (*rebranded in 2025). It’s also interesting that 2028 is the same year Jamo is immortalised for his part in one of the all time plays that leads to a goal in the dying minutes of the GF & ultimately seals West Coast’s 5th flag. We’ve all watched it 50+ times but I’ll never forget being at Optus (*Donkeyflu 27) to see it with my own eyes:

Bazzo 360 clunk > Jamo nondescript football mark > Long stupendous hanger, amongst his best for the year > Chesser needs to be inch perfect and he is

Note: That was almost certainly a block on Arlo Draper but a wins a win boys yew!
 
Shuey getting tightness. I'm trying to throw support behind having him as captain for another year but I don't like the sound of this already - happy to be proven wrong though.
 
Honestly Shuey has been a fantastic servant of the club, but I think he would have been better served relinquishing the captaincy and working on getting his body right

For me, next year (all going well) I would be electing Barrass captain, with potentially Oscar Allen vice captain (if he can remain healthy)

Agree with this

As per the article I posted above, Shuey is going to need to be managed over the course of the season. He may well have been better off not having the captaincy whilst doing that

Not going to lose sleep over it though
 


I don't know. There are some decent highlights in here. As others have said, I think the frustrating thing is that for every nice highlight that he has, Williams seems to have a brainfade/facepalm moment as well. He's still only 22 and for a ruckman, that's pretty young. Other than Nic Nat, not many ruckmen burst onto the scene right away - see Darcy Cameron, Tim English, Max Gawn (albeit had injury concerns), Marc Pittonet, there would be a lot of other examples.

With his game against Rowan Marshall last year and the Geelong game, I think he's proved he can be capable at AFL level. He just needs to try and get some consistency now - both game to game and quarter to quarter within a game - and really work on his forward craft, because if Nic is fit, he'll need to have an impact as a forward. If he doesn't, Jamieson may overtake him as second ruck pretty quickly.

Personally I'm still pretty confident he'll come good though and at least be a serviceable ruckman throughout his career.

We have been spoilt for a generation or two. He is big and strong and can play, give him time. He can certainly tackle.
 
Petruccelle
Waterman
Petrevski-Seton
O’Neill
Foley

Clark
Witherden
Winder
West
Trew

are all out of contract this year

Assuming Shuey and Hurn retire I’d guess that at least 5 of those players won’t be at the club next year.

However if 6 or 7 of that group show something significant and/or find some consistency whilst Edwards is watching from the stands then his spot becomes tenuous
The 5 in bold are in the box to be not offered contracts at the end of the year.\
 

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Did you like the Chesser pick mate? You seem to know what you’re on about with the kids.
I watched far more WA and SA games than Vic ones in 2021.

The two I think I was most keen on were Amiss and Erasmus iirc.
I think I compared Amiss' inside 50 ability to a young JK somewhere on here haha, time will tell.

I knew Chesser was rated highly, but saw little of his games.

He ticks a lot of boxes recruiters like though, with his athletic profile, size, skills and character.
Traits that made Geelong jump on Max Holmes earlier than many would expect.

I just want to see him play seniors tbh
 
I watched far more WA and SA games than Vic ones in 2021.

The two I think I was most keen on were Amiss and Erasmus iirc.
I think I compared Amiss' inside 50 ability to a young JK somewhere on here haha, time will tell.

I knew Chesser was rated highly, but saw little of his games.

He ticks a lot of boxes recruiters like though, with his athletic profile, size, skills and character.
Traits that made Geelong jump on Max Holmes earlier than many would expect.

I just want to see him play seniors tbh
Yeah, I read around the place at the time that he was in a couple of other club’s crosshairs in the first round. Sydney and Brisbane if I remember correctly. Once he gets on the park we’ll have some decent running power in our young group with a nice mix of explosiveness in Chesser, Ginbey, Hough, Hewett and Culley, which will be exciting to watch.
 
I watched far more WA and SA games than Vic ones in 2021.

The two I think I was most keen on were Amiss and Erasmus iirc.
I think I compared Amiss' inside 50 ability to a young JK somewhere on here haha, time will tell.

I knew Chesser was rated highly, but saw little of his games.

He ticks a lot of boxes recruiters like though, with his athletic profile, size, skills and character.
Traits that made Geelong jump on Max Holmes earlier than many would expect.

I just want to see him play seniors tbh

I remember a few years back reading that the most important development years are in that short 16-18 yr old range. I especially remember this article because of our recruiting habit of putting a lot of weight on the potential that kids show prior to their draft year/u18s.

Chesser, having missed so much football in those key years is playing catch up. Has a lot of similarities to Tom Swift I feel.
 
I remember a few years back reading that the most important development years are in that short 16-18 yr old range. I especially remember this article because of our recruiting habit of putting a lot of weight on the potential that kids show prior to their draft year/u18s.

Chesser, having missed so much football in those key years is playing catch up. Has a lot of similarities to Tom Swift I feel.
He played pretty much the same amount as most Vic Metro NAB league players drafted in 21
 
• Shuey not travelling to Melbourne with senior teammates for media commitments. Begs the question why the * we have to send players over at all
• Had some hamstring tightness after Fridays match sim but ran Monday & Wednesday and is expected to suit up tomorrow for further match practice
• Expected that Shuey will be managed carefully this season so I anticipate he’ll be tested from some games
• Just 4 players in rehab, none of whom are considered long term injuries- LEdwards, Petruccelle, Barnett and Chesser. (Not in the article but Bazzo will make 5 when he does return. Also Dewar and Baker aren’t fully training from what I’ve seen)

As a final note, I’ll reiterate why the * are we expected to send players to Melbourne for media commitments FFS




West Coast expect captain Luke Shuey to take part in match simulation on Friday morning and have doused injury concerns after he did not join senior teammates travelling to Melbourne for AFL media commitments.
Shuey, 32, was spared the almost eight hours on planes that the trip would have meant after experiencing some hamstring tightness following last week’s match simulation.


He played two 20-minute segments last Friday, came off the field but ran flat out doing a series of sprints during breaks in play.

The club opted for a safety-first approach with him this week after he reported some tightness post-match and decided to spare him the turnaround from a trip to Melbourne before Friday.

He trained lightly on Monday and moved freely, running laps alongside fellow veteran Shannon Hurn and young ruck/forward Bailey Williams at training on Wednesday.

Shuey is expected to be managed carefully all season after finally overcoming a series of soft tissue issues that had affected his 2020 and 2021 seasons.

He missed five games after three separate hamstring injuries in 2020, then played just seven games in 2021 after more soft tissue problems, acknowledging he seriously considered handing over the captaincy ahead of the club’s disastrous 2022 campaign.

But he rallied and played 17 of the club’s 22 matches. At least two of the five games he missed were due to Covid, not soft tissue problems.

The Eagles are experimenting with Shuey at halfback in a bid to lighten the load on his body. Shuey expressed cautious optimism that he was through the worst of his soft tissue issues when announced as captain two weeks ago.

“Going well at the moment,” he said.

“There has been thought as to whether it was time to move on. I think ahead of last year I did my hammy about this time and gave it some real thought as to whether I just hand it off and get on with the job. Fortunately I was able to play a bit of footy last year.”

“When you go through the injury cycle when you just can’t get right you are constantly trying new things and changing things. I have tried a lot over the past few years. I felt like I found a pretty good routine last year and played a bit of footy.

“I only ended up missing two or three games through injury and other games with Covid. I feel like I have found a pretty good routine that works for me, but it gets harder this side of 30.”

West Coast have just four players in their rehab group none of whom are considered long term injuries: Luke Edwards (quad), Jack Petruccelle (ankle), young ruckman Harry Barnett (ankle) and Campbell Chesser (foot), who is fit but being taken along slowly after playing just five matches of football in three seasons because of a combination of Victoria’s Covid lockdown followed by serious knee and ankle issues.

But the club is treading carefully with as many as 16 players on their list who had significant injury issues last year and have to be eased back to football.


Chesser foot? Thought it was ankle. Also Will Schofield mentioned on his podcast today that Ginbey and Long are ‘locks’ for round 1, with Hewett pushing as well. Jamieson looking like he’s going past Williams.


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Petruccelle
Waterman
Petrevski-Seton
O’Neill
Foley
Clark
Witherden
Winder
West
Trew

are all out of contract this year

Assuming Shuey and Hurn retire I’d guess that at least 5 of those players won’t be at the club next year.

However if 6 or 7 of that group show something significant and/or find some consistency whilst Edwards is watching from the stands then his spot becomes tenuous
Some of those guys have been on the list or in the AFL system somewhere else for a long time now. For us to persevere with them for the purposes of them being depth players they need to show a bit in the WAFL. If they have been in the system for 4 - 6 years plus and can't make it into the best players list most weeks at WAFL level then no point continuing with them.
 
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Open training sessions moving from Wednesdays to Mondays means the club is moving to their in season training pattern

It’s all ramping up for the season start - those players wanting a spot in the 22 for round 1 need to perform now
 
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Open training sessions moving from Wednesdays to Mondays means the club is moving to their in season training pattern

It’s all ramping up for the season start - those players wanting a spot in the 22 for round 1 need to perform now
10am too, interesting. A lot later than they have been so far this preseason. Any reason for that?
 
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