Training Pre season training

[Nutsngum]

This is now beyond a joke.
How much of this is due to the fitness and training personnel and programme?

A dislocated shoulder is one thing - accidental - but Roma and Pou’s injuries definitely sound training related.

Extremely frustrating.

You cant wrap them up in cotton wool if you want to genuinely compete though.

In reality we aren't really any that worst off overall then most of the other clubs who have a varying level of players in rehabs and the like.

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[phantom13]

I mean of the injuries, the only ones that could be put down to load are:

Clark: Groin

Marshall: Pelvis

Philipou: Leg

Clark is pretty injury prone as is, and Marshall has been pretty injury free considering his load over the last few years. I guess you could put Pou on the over exerted list, but I think it's a bit much.

Theres a medium term history with it too.

Im sure some of the pre season stuff last year was related to this, Jack Hayes and Clark had re occurence injuries last year, as did Jones.

It seems to be something of a trend for us. Its fair to question it.

 

[SteeleSaints]

So two stress related injuries. Hmmmm

My thoughts exactly ........? More questions than answers.

The other is Henry still weeks away after having an arthroscope, he has all the tell tail signs of a knee left with zero cartilage and is not responding to load bearing. Id be surprised if this doesnt end his career prematurely sometime down the track ala Crouch.

 

[BrutThough]

Big ask for Boyd to ruck 100% game time coming straight from the SANFL. Keeler or hammer would need to play to give him a chop out. Probs drop Carroll out for one of those two

Whoever plays rd1 is going to be monstered by O'Brien and Thilthorpe anyway. We may as well just concede that area and play an extra runner/extractor than carry a 2nd ruck for half the game before they are inevitably subbed off.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Jeez. It's incredible to think that two injuries can diminish our optimism for an entire season.

We've discussed it for years - "what if Rowan gets injured?".

At this stage, it looks like Rowan shouldn't miss too many games, but it's far from ideal. With Pou, I think his injury hurts just as much, if not more. To me, I have always seen him as that future superstar that we have been crying out for.

With another month or so until the real stuff starts, I really hope we start to incrementally taper off the excessive running we seem to do each session. What do I know, but I won't be able to stomach another preseason of unnecessary injuries.

Despite being slightly pessimistic because of the recent news, I just can't stomach fielding a weakened team in Round 1 against the Crows (who should be good this year) at the AO in the Sunday sun. Can see it being a tough day for our back six

To play finals - and we should be looking to play finals every season - you simply must have a reasonable start to the year. We don't have to be faultless, but we can't be hoping for miracles and others to fall off in the backend.

Maybe I should remember "it's only January", but heck I have seen this movie before.

Its not the injuries its the "elephant in the room' that no one wants to address. Preseason stress related injuries are a direct correlation to over training and we can probably put some of the other injuries down to fatigue also. Lyon has introduced a tough training regime but once again it is shown to be 5-10% over the top.

Every player who comes to the club from another AFL club comments about the amount of running we do! You cant tell me that those clubs are getting their training load managements wrong and that Lyon & co are that much more advanced. Did anyone stop to think that perhaps Lyon is the odd one out on this front????

Yes we need an edge, but this is the 3rd year in a row where we are sustaining far too many injuries during our preseason build up!

 

[BrutThough]

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I knew I would forget someone.

Hugo on the bench. Between Jones and Carrol for sub.

 

[Barrels]

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[Joffaboy]

My thoughts exactly ........? More questions than answers.

The other is Henry still weeks away after having an arthroscope, he has all the tell tail signs of a knee left with zero cartilage and is not responding to load bearing. Id be surprised if this doesnt end his career prematurely sometime down the track ala Crouch.

Have you seen him at training groups over the last two weeks?

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[stfan]

I'd be surprised if Henry is 4-6 weeks away. Unless he's had another set back, he was joining in a few drills with the main group last week so he must be closer to returning to fill training than that.

Yes agree. I think that it most likely that he will be underdone by Round 1 and so will miss it.

On the plus side, Garcia is excelling and Hall has exceeded my pre-season expectations and could now well debut in Round. 1.

Jones and Carroll is other possible decent options too. Not all can be selected even with no Pou or Henry, so we should still have a reasonable midfield. Stocker seems to be quicker and so could rotate through if he makes the 22.

Clark is unknown in terms of Round 1 at present.

Add Macrae, Steele and Windy to the possibles above.

 

[Joffaboy]

Its not the injuries its the "elephant in the room' that no one wants to address. Preseason stress related injuries are a direct correlation to over training and we can probably put some of the other injuries down to fatigue also. Lyon has introduced a tough training regime but once again it is shown to be 5-10% over the top.

Every player who comes to the club from another AFL club comments about the amount of running we do! You cant tell me that those clubs are getting their training load managements wrong and that Lyon & co are that much more advanced. Did anyone stop to think that perhaps Lyon is the odd one out on this front????

Yes we need an edge, but this is the 3rd year in a row where we are sustaining far too many injuries during our preseason build up!

Unless you are a doctor at the club or know the training the sports scientists have laid out for each individual,you have got zero idea except speculation.
Lyon teams font do contact prior to Xmas. Apart from Dow all these occurred once contact drills started.
It could be argued that they have been undertrained and they can't cope with contact.
However I won't critisise from a point of absolute ignorance.

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[phantom13]

Unless you are a doctor at the club or know the training the sports scientists have laid out for each individual,you have got zero idea except speculation.
Lyon teams font do contact prior to Xmas. Apart from Dow all these occurred once contact drills started.
It could be argued that they have been undertrained and they can't cope with contact.
However I won't critisise from a point of absolute ignorance.

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Its not absolute ignorance. Overtraining as a cause for soft tissue and stress injuries is pretty well know.

Its speculative for sure but thats what 95% of this board is (the other 5% is usually blind defence of everything we do).

 

[akaifu]

Whoever plays rd1 is going to be monstered by O'Brien and Thilthorpe anyway. We may as well just concede that area and play an extra runner/extractor than carry a 2nd ruck for half the game before they are inevitably subbed off.

ROB is a good hitout ruckman but he's terrible at ground level and around the ground

Boyd might lose hitouts, but we'd have a massive advantage once the ball hits the deck

 

[The Punter]

Just on pre-season loading...

I think the question is worth asking, but I wouldn't be surprised if the club's view is "crash or crash through". Perhaps this is a risk the club thinks it must take considering the other list-building inequities that cannot be overcome.

 

[MordySaint]

This is now beyond a joke.
How much of this is due to the fitness and training personnel and programme?

A dislocated shoulder is one thing - accidental - but Roma and Pou’s injuries definitely sound training related.

Extremely frustrating.

Yes but its happening every year... just get a vinyl record and put a scratch in it.

This is not plain bad luck.

Unimpressed.

 

[seasonedsainter]

 

[Joffaboy]

Its not absolute ignorance. Overtraining as a cause for soft tissue and stress injuries is pretty well know.

Its speculative for sure but thats what 95% of this board is (the other 5% is usually blind defence of everything we do).

Not blind defence, it is just saying speculation as a statement of fact.

As I pointed out it could be undertraining because as soon as we got back to contact, all these injuries happened.
Dow was an infection
Henry knee OP
Doug contact injury
Pou sounds like stress
Clark groin soft tissue, hasn't been in full training since before Xmas
Roh Groin, could be fatigue

So from above one or two could be fatigue, not sure how a femur is fractured, may have been contact.

All I am saying is to state it is all the training fault doesn't really stand up.

I posted last Wednesday we had two on the list probably not available. These LTI's sure came in a rush that's for bloody sure. With 6 weeks to go there will be more injuries with match sim and contact.
Doogs and Roh are big outs. Hopefully we have Henry, Clark back and the Doogs prognosis is good.

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[PoppedCorn]

It’s all ross fault

The bastard

 

[SteeleSaints]

Unless you are a doctor at the club or know the training the sports scientists have laid out for each individual,you have got zero idea except speculation.
Lyon teams font do contact prior to Xmas. Apart from Dow all these occurred once contact drills started.
It could be argued that they have been undertrained and they can't cope with contact.
However I won't critisise from a point of absolute ignorance.

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What I raised was the running program nothing to do with the contact, if you think Philipou and Marshall's injuries are contact related you best do some research. The only ignorant comment was your own going off on a competely different tanget.

Dow and Marshall were before the break Im pretty sure and I bet the compounding running program before the break also caused Philipous issues. They are typical over use injuries I dont have to be a Sports Scientist at the club to work those out.

At least you are consistent JB, you rarely comment or like other peoples posts unless you can make some grandiose statements. I bet your favourite song is "What about Me".

 

[akaifu]

 

[dudeintheswamp]

 

[SaintSteele9]

It’s all ross fault

The bastard

You leave Seb out of this PC!!

 

[_Maximus_12]

can someone please collate a list of the players on our list who have suffered stress related injuries in the last 3 preseasons?
Hamstrings/calves fit the mould of soft tissue injuries that are common occurrences in the sport.

 

[SaintersUnite]

I mean it’s not the worst outcome, Round 1 is 6 weeks away, Pou’s injury is stated to be 10-14 weeks. So best case scenario he’s back by Round 4-5 and worst case is he’s back after the bye.

Howard will probably be back sooner as I doubt he’ll want a full shoulder reconstruction done with his contract status.


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[Saint Ray]

Cornes couldn't analyze a sandwich. Ignore

And that being a shit sandwich.

 

[Joffaboy]

What I raised was the running program nothing to do with the contact, if you think Philipou and Marshall's injuries are contact related you best do some research. The only ignorant comment was your own going off on a competely different tanget.

Dow and Marshall were before the break Im pretty sure and I bet the compounding running program before the break also caused Philipous issues. They are typical over use injuries I dont have to be a Sports Scientist at the club to work those out.

At least you are consistent JB, you rarely comment or like other peoples posts unless you can make some grandiose statements. I bet you favourite song is "What about Me".

Not what about me, just you don't is all. You are making stuff up.
Unless you have the prognosis you simply don't know.
You just ended Henry's career in another post so, go hard champ

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