Training Pre season training

[Jade Buddha]

FYI Big Joff. Roh & Pou are listed as stress fractures. Stress fractures are not incurred by impact - they are incurred by repetitive overload (stress).

They can be caused by repetitive overload not are caused by.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Best comment for the day

Im sorry Tony but you are way too close to the club to remain objective re the injury discussion.

Why havent the club been up front and detailed NWM hamstring injury or Boyd's pectoral tear.

Ill tell you why - is that at present the club are attempting a membership drive. They know the kind of damage honesty has on membership sales so they are in damage control.

Members are not stupid they know without our best team on the park most weeks, the Saints will again miss finals.

 

[jwikked]

Im sorry Tony but you are way too close to the club to remain objective re the injury discussion.

Why havent the club been up front and detailed NWM hamstring injury or Boyd's pectoral tear.

Ill tell you why - is that at present the club are attempting a membership drive. They know the kind of damage honesty has on membership sales so they are in damage control.

Members are not stupid they know without our best team on the park most weeks, the Saints will again miss finals.

If they're buying a membership only because they think we'll play finals, stuff em

 

[True Believer]

Im sorry Tony but you are way too close to the club to remain objective re the injury discussion.

Why havent the club been up front and detailed NWM hamstring injury or Boyd's pectoral tear.

Ill tell you why - is that at present the club are attempting a membership drive. They know the kind of damage honesty has on membership sales so they are in damage control.

Members are not stupid they know without our best team on the park most weeks, the Saints will again miss finals.

You honestly think Saints fans are only buying memberships because they think we'll play finals?

How many weeks have you been a fan?

 

[Jade Buddha]

Wow those waskelly coaches. We should fwow them to the fwoor and stwike them very wufly,.

 

[LuckyBounce!]

I said last year, training services should under extreme scrutiny. We seem to have an excessive amount of injuries.

“Training services” Is that you Thommo?

 

[phantom13]

You honestly think Saints fans are only buying memberships because they think we'll play finals?

How many weeks have you been a fan?

I’m a member and mine rolls over year on year so I’m not talking about myself BUT in a cost of living crisis there would rightfully be some supporters who are tossing up whether to get a membership or not.

This won’t help

 

[SG34]

(Pissed off) me: Are AFL players prone to stress fractures of the foot as a result of hard pre-season training?

ChatGPT

Yes, AFL (Australian Football League) players can be prone to stress fractures of the foot, especially during intense pre-season training. Stress fractures are overuse injuries that occur when repetitive loading surpasses the bone's ability to repair and adapt. Factors contributing to this risk include:

1. High Training Loads: Pre-season often involves sudden increases in the volume and intensity of training, including running, jumping, and rapid directional changes, which can overload the foot's bones.
2. Surface Hardness: Training on harder surfaces, such as artificial turf or firm ground, increases impact forces on the foot and can contribute to stress fractures.
3. Footwear: Inadequate or poorly fitted footwear can fail to provide sufficient cushioning or support, increasing stress on the foot's bones.
4. Biomechanics: Abnormal foot mechanics, such as flat feet or high arches, can lead to uneven load distribution, increasing stress on specific areas of the foot.
5. Bone Health: Factors like poor nutrition, low calcium or vitamin D levels, or underlying bone health issues can make bones more susceptible to stress fractures.
6. Fatigue: When muscles are fatigued, they may not absorb shock effectively, transferring more load to the bones.

Preventative strategies for AFL players include gradually increasing training intensity, ensuring proper footwear, incorporating cross-training to reduce repetitive stress, addressing any biomechanical issues, and optimizing recovery and nutrition. Monitoring players closely for early signs of stress fractures, such as localized pain or tenderness, can help manage the condition before it worsens.

 

[FraserFridays]

Im sorry Tony but you are way too close to the club to remain objective re the injury discussion.

Why havent the club been up front and detailed NWM hamstring injury or Boyd's pectoral tear.

Ill tell you why - is that at present the club are attempting a membership drive. They know the kind of damage honesty has on membership sales so they are in damage control.

Members are not stupid they know without our best team on the park most weeks, the Saints will again miss finals.

Unfortunately the club did this multiple times last year also. There may be no concerns with those players and they have been told to just finish the session. I guess we will see who's out on the park tomorrow. Hopefully people still show up. Missing needs to let someone else do injury reports. He is terrible. Misses players all the time.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I'm over it already. Let's talk about the players that aren't headed for the knackery.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

 

[billings2paddy]

I think the club are attempting to manage the fall out with claiming 3 months in Phillipou's case. I agree unfortunately the more likely scenario is he will miss the entire season...

Unlikely

 

[SG34]

Unlikely

Recovery Timeline​

• Mild Stress Fractures: May take 6–8 weeks of rest and gradual rehabilitation.
• Severe or Complicated Fractures: Recovery can extend to 3–6 months, especially if surgery is required (e.g., for fractures of the navicular or fifth metatarsal).
• Post-Surgery: If screws or plates are used to stabilize the fracture, full return to play may take 4–6 months.

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Key Factors Affecting Recovery​

1. Bone Involved:
   • Metatarsals (common in running sports): Typically heal well with rest and rehabilitation.
   • Navicular Bone: Requires more careful management due to limited blood supply, which can delay healing.
2. Compliance with Rehabilitation: Strict adherence to weight-bearing restrictions and a progressive return-to-play program is crucial.
3. Management of Underlying Causes: Addressing biomechanical issues or nutritional deficits ensures full recovery and prevents recurrence.

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Return to Speed and Agility​

Most athletes regain their pre-injury speed and agility, but:

• Recovery of Function: With proper rehabilitation, the majority of players can achieve full physical performance levels.
• Mental Barriers: Confidence in the injured foot can take longer to restore, which might initially impact performance.
• Risk of Re-Injury: A rushed return to play increases the likelihood of reinjury or compensatory injuries, potentially affecting long-term performance.

 

[billings2paddy]

Im sorry Tony but you are way too close to the club to remain objective re the injury discussion.

Why havent the club been up front and detailed NWM hamstring injury or Boyd's pectoral tear.

Ill tell you why - is that at present the

You're not telling us why.. You're just telling us your opinion
In my opinion

 

[Plugger35]

I'm reluctant to look at this thread, it seems like every time I do I find out another one of our players is injured.

Hopefully by the time Round 1 starts we will still have 22 fit players available.

 

[BrutThough]

Marshall manfully battled an entire season without a rest last year, then the club throw a demanding pre season at him and he breaks down? There has to be smarter ways of loading these kids other than breaking them 9 weeks before they are expected to play?

Players have said other clubs do no way where near the running loads we do, how has that sky rocketed us up the ladder. It hasnt, what it has done is create the complete opposite effect with having half the list broken down throughout the year.

As others stated, Marshall was managed the entire pre-christmas period with the no contact hat and lighter sessions some days.

We have roughly 40 players who have participated in the bulk of preseason. Two have stress related injures. It sucks which two they are but it's not like the program is causing every player issues. Like everything, it works for some and others will need adjusted now we know how their body has reacted.

 

[SG34]

OK

Last one , promise

Chat says;


This is concerning for St Kilda as stress fractures in the right femur can be a significant setback, especially for a young and developing midfielder like Mattaes Phillipou. Here's an analysis based on the details provided:

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Nature of the Injury​

• Stress Fracture in the Femur: A relatively rare but serious injury, particularly in the high-impact and physically demanding AFL. It indicates significant repetitive strain or biomechanical stress.
• Timing: The discovery of the injury during pre-season is crucial, as this allows for early intervention and minimizes the risk of worsening or displacement.

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Implications for Mattaes Phillipou​

1. Recovery Timeline:
   • Stress fractures in the femur typically require 3–6 months for recovery, depending on the severity and location (e.g., femoral neck or shaft).
   • A longer recovery period might be necessary if the fracture is near areas with poor blood supply or involves significant structural stress.
2. Rehabilitation Focus:
   • Initial rest to allow healing, with non-weight-bearing activities.
   • Gradual introduction of low-impact exercises, followed by strength training and sport-specific drills.
3. Long-Term Outlook:
   • With proper management, Phillipou has a good chance of returning to full fitness and regaining his agility, speed, and kicking strength.
   • However, rushing recovery could lead to complications or reinjury, so careful monitoring will be essential.

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Impact on St Kilda​

• Team Dynamics: Losing a young, promising midfielder at the start of the season may impact St Kilda's depth in the midfield rotation.
• Risk Management: The club's medical and training staff will need to carefully manage training loads for other players to avoid additional injuries.

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Conclusion​

Mattaes Phillipou's injury is a setback for both the player and St Kilda, but early detection and appropriate management should give him the best chance to recover fully. The club will need to support his rehabilitation carefully to ensure a smooth return later in the season.

 

[saintbill]

Sincs to full time mid for me. Sincs, McRae and Steele is still a very competitive midfield.

Half back flank up for grabs. I would give young Hastie a crack first. Trav and Tauru look to be a long way off.

Windhager also capable of playing the role even if he is a more defensive version.

Not a fan of Wilson off half back at all. He is a beautiful kick for goal and we will get the most out of his run if he plays wing IMO.

 

[ESPN8 The Ocho]

OK

Last one , promise

Chat says;


This is concerning for St Kilda as stress fractures in the right femur can be a significant setback, especially for a young and developing midfielder like Mattaes Phillipou. Here's an analysis based on the details provided:

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Nature of the Injury​

• Stress Fracture in the Femur: A relatively rare but serious injury, particularly in the high-impact and physically demanding AFL. It indicates significant repetitive strain or biomechanical stress.
• Timing: The discovery of the injury during pre-season is crucial, as this allows for early intervention and minimizes the risk of worsening or displacement.

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Implications for Mattaes Phillipou​

1. Recovery Timeline:
   • Stress fractures in the femur typically require 3–6 months for recovery, depending on the severity and location (e.g., femoral neck or shaft).
   • A longer recovery period might be necessary if the fracture is near areas with poor blood supply or involves significant structural stress.
2. Rehabilitation Focus:
   • Initial rest to allow healing, with non-weight-bearing activities.
   • Gradual introduction of low-impact exercises, followed by strength training and sport-specific drills.
3. Long-Term Outlook:
   • With proper management, Phillipou has a good chance of returning to full fitness and regaining his agility, speed, and kicking strength.
   • However, rushing recovery could lead to complications or reinjury, so careful monitoring will be essential.

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Impact on St Kilda​

• Team Dynamics: Losing a young, promising midfielder at the start of the season may impact St Kilda's depth in the midfield rotation.
• Risk Management: The club's medical and training staff will need to carefully manage training loads for other players to avoid additional injuries.

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Conclusion​

Mattaes Phillipou's injury is a setback for both the player and St Kilda, but early detection and appropriate management should give him the best chance to recover fully. The club will need to support his rehabilitation carefully to ensure a smooth return later in the season.

You should have asked The Oracle if Pou’s absence will make any material difference to the team’s performance.

 

[Nutsngum]

As others stated, Marshall was managed the entire pre-christmas period with the no contact hat and lighter sessions some days.

We have roughly 40 players who have participated in the bulk of preseason. Two have stress related injures. It sucks which two they are but it's not like the program is causing every player issues. Like everything, it works for some and others will need adjusted now we know how their body has reacted.

Exactly. We have 42 other players who have undergone the same type of conditioning and have not had stress fractures. Sports science is very in-exact and expecting any club to be able to nail every player's conditioning to the perfect line is absurd.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

I loved pou, marshall and NWM as much as the next man, but the reality is it's time to move on. They're dunzo, finished, kaput. As robert harvey used to say, I run where the ball is going to be, not where it has been. Life is about progress, we can't walk backwards into the sunset people! Time to carpe diem this thing and cut the dead weight

 

[littlecreatures]

Any competent organisation would be asking questions and seeking answers around the spate of pre season injuries.

I don’t think we’re the only club with these sort of injuries right now nor is it a throw the baby out of the bath water situation, but it would be remiss of the club if they weren’t using this as an opportunity for continuous improvement.

It’s clearly not ideal having our best young talent unavailable for a chunk of the season.

That said, we’re all basically speculating right now if we’re not in a position to be running checks and balances, but the questions seem valid and reasonable.

Think we’re also walking a tight rope given what the current regime inherited from prior predecessors. Clearly, they want a high performing and hard training program to bridge the gap with other levers they don’t have at their disposal. With that comes risk.

 

[DougalHoward]

I blame the club nutritionist for not telling the boys to drink milk

 

[SG34]

You should have asked The Oracle if Pou’s absence will make any material difference to the team’s performance.

It sucks at doing that.
It is however, really good with with language as well as diseases, conditions, and anything with empirical data published in journals. So it is a great foil for our emotionally charged opinions.

 

[Gavinmitchell11]

With Dougal and Ro out I’d like to see Barrat and Keeler selected. Hopefully they will play well in the practice games. Boyd can Ruck with Keeler and/or Caminiti giving a chop out.

Mattaes is just not replaceable though, that’s a shocker, hopefully 3 months only.

Max is going to have to step up big time early in the season or we’ll be in another winter of our hearts discontent.