Predicted/desired trades for 2007

[DanA]

What value would people put on the following Geelong players:

Josh Hunt - 25 year old strong bodied attacking back pocket with booming left foot. Adcock style of player but cats prefer Scarlett & Milburn as quarterbacks. Pies or Demons?

David Johnson - 25 year old small defender/midfielder who is very good at tagging and quite reliable. Doesn't fit cats attacking back line. Blues?

James Kelly - 23 tear old inside midfielder who looked a super star early in his career. Broke his leg and lost a bit of passion for the game but seems to be getting some form back. Not getting much game behind Ablett, Bartel, Corey & Ling and Prismall is competing for his spot. Bombers?

Brent Prismall - 21 year old inside attacking midfielder with good skills, dominates reserves and played well early on before being squeezed when James Kelly returned from suspension. Far too good to be in the reserves and may seek more opportunity. Tigers?

These are the only Cats of value I can see being considered for trade week. All are easily of AFL level players but don't fit well in the team plan. What would you give up for these players?

 

[Crazy Tails]

What value would people put on the following Geelong players:

Josh Hunt - 25 year old strong bodied attacking back pocket with booming left foot. Adcock style of player but cats prefer Scarlett & Milburn as quarterbacks. Pies or Demons?

David Johnson - 25 year old small defender/midfielder who is very good at tagging and quite reliable. Doesn't fit cats attacking back line. Blues?

James Kelly - 23 tear old inside midfielder who looked a super star early in his career. Broke his leg and lost a bit of passion for the game but seems to be getting some form back. Not getting much game behind Ablett, Bartel, Corey & Ling and Prismall is competing for his spot. Bombers?

Brent Prismall - 21 year old inside attacking midfielder with good skills, dominates reserves and played well early on before being squeezed when James Kelly returned from suspension. Far too good to be in the reserves and may seek more opportunity. Tigers?

These are the only Cats of value I can see being considered for trade week. All are easily of AFL level players but don't fit well in the team plan. What would you give up for these players?

Don't think Pies would go for Hunt as our backline is an area that is quite strong ATM.

Would be very keen on Kelly as a young inside mid is exactly what we need. Not sure what we would offer in return as I think Cats would want something of the equivalent of a first round pick. Other Pies supporters will prob hav a go at me for this but what about Nick Maxwell as a straight swap. With all injured players back and the development of our young defenders there may not be a spot in our best 22 for him. He is also an ex Geelong Falcons player.

 

[DanA]

Don't think Pies would go for Hunt as our backline is an area that is quite strong ATM.

Would be very keen on Kelly as a young inside mid is exactly what we need. Not sure what we would offer in return as I think Cats would want something of the equivalent of a first round pick. Other Pies supporters will prob have a go at me for this but what about Nick Maxwell as a straight swap. With all injured players back and the development of our young defenders there may not be a spot in our best 22 for him. He is also an ex Geelong Falcons player.

Geelong need to develop a tall backmen with Milburn, Harley and Scarlett getting on. However I would prefer someone younger. Maxwell is unlikely to break into Geelong's starting 22 until one of those three guys retire which is likely to be 3 years or more away. I would rather an 18 year old KP backmen that will be 22 not 27 when that time comes.

My theory behind Collingwood maybe going for Hunt is it gives you a bit more freedom to move some of the current small backmen into the middle as they mature.

Rhyce, Tarkyn & M.Clarke look quality players to me that will eventually command a spot in the midfeild. With Buckley/Burns retiring soon and me personally not rating O'bree that highly, I think Hunt might be enticing to the Pies.

 

[Silvagnis]

David Johnson - 25 year old small defender/midfielder who is very good at tagging and quite reliable. Doesn't fit cats attacking back line. Blues?

We have Joe Anderson so I doubt we'd go for Johnson.

James Kelly - 23 tear old inside midfielder who looked a super star early in his career. Broke his leg and lost a bit of passion for the game but seems to be getting some form back. Not getting much game behind Ablett, Bartel, Corey & Ling and Prismall is competing for his spot. Bombers?

Since the Cats would want an early pick for Kelly, I can only see him landing at MC Labour Park as part of a Fevola trade involving a third party. Carlton wouldnt give up their first pick(s) for Kelly and we don't have any backman that would interest the Cats. Our second round pick wouldn't be enough and I'd rather Carlton use that pick on a player like Veszpremi, a quick mid or a player like Rioli if they're available.

Brent Prismall - 21 year old inside attacking midfielder with good skills, dominates reserves and played well early on before being squeezed when James Kelly returned from suspension. Far too good to be in the reserves and may seek more opportunity. Tigers?

Only if you take Whitnall and Saddington from us.

I'd like to get Prismall but it's a similar situation to Kelly and we don't have the talent or "expendable" picks to acquire him. Maybe if we get two picks and a player for Fevola and on trade one to Cats for Kelly or Prismall.

Can we have Bartel?

 

[DanA]

We have Joe Anderson so I doubt we'd go for Johnson.

Since the Cats would want an early pick for Kelly, I can only see him landing at MC Labour Park as part of a Fevola trade involving a third party. Carlton wouldnt give up their first pick(s) for Kelly and we don't have any backman that would interest the Cats. Our second round pick wouldn't be enough and I'd rather Carlton use that pick on a player like Veszpremi, a quick mid or a player like Rioli if they're available.

Only if you take Whitnall and Saddington from us.

I'd like to get Prismall but it's a similar situation to Kelly and we don't have the talent or "expendable" picks to acquire him. Maybe if we get two picks and a player for Fevola and on trade one to Cats for Kelly or Prismall.

Can we have Bartel?

So your saying (value wise):

Kelly & Prismall = around pick 10 - 16

 

[year of the cat]

So your saying (value wise):

Kelly & Prismall = around pick 10 - 16

If you were in Geelong's coaching team would you be looking to be active in trade week? Whilst I can understand that the players you mention would be attractive to other teams (as distinct from a Gardiner or Playfair) I would not be advocating too many changes to our list with regard to the players you have mentioned.

You know a lot more about this draft than I do but from what I have read it is not considered one of the stronger drafts in recent times. I would have thought it would be fairly risky to trade quality players such as Prismall and Kelly for anything less than first round picks.

The other consideration of course is where we expect the cats to be over the next few years. If this year is anything to go by you would think we should be challenging for the flag for the next few years. Whilst you have to keep drafting young talent I would have thought that this is our time now to benefit from the drafting and trading that has occurred over the past 5-10 years. Unless any players request trades I would be just delisting 3-4 players at years end and being a minor player in trade/draft week.

 

[beatlesmith]

Wouldnt even consider the first one tbh Beatlesmith. If we dont trade our first rounder for Fev, I'd like to see it used on Adam Maric. Would bring more to our squad than Murphy would I think.

Well if freo continue their downward slope this season, our first pick wouldn't be far from their second so we would basically downgrade our pick about 7 places and get a potential star. But i think we should use it for fevola, williams or clark. Maric looks good but from reports he's more of a leading small forward, and we already have lecras.

 

[Silvagnis]

So your saying (value wise):

Kelly & Prismall = around pick 10 - 16

Not sure about Prismall being worth a pick between 10 and 16.

I don't know as much about the draft as you and I haven't seen Kelly play this year, but the Swans might trade a first round pick for a young, experienced midfielder if it was a late first round pick. Roos hasn't been afraid to trade picks for experienced players in the past and Kelly would be a get for their ageing midfield. It would be hard to convince Kelly to join Carlton if we have another PP and the Cats have won the flag.

 

[DanA]

If you were in Geelong's coaching team would you be looking to be active in trade week? Whilst I can understand that the players you mention would be attractive to other teams (as distinct from a Gardiner or Playfair) I would not be advocating too many changes to our list with regard to the players you have mentioned.

You know a lot more about this draft than I do but from what I have read it is not considered one of the stronger drafts in recent times. I would have thought it would be fairly risky to trade quality players such as Prismall and Kelly for anything less than first round picks.

The other consideration of course is where we expect the cats to be over the next few years. If this year is anything to go by you would think we should be challenging for the flag for the next few years. Whilst you have to keep drafting young talent I would have thought that this is our time now to benefit from the drafting and trading that has occurred over the past 5-10 years. Unless any players request trades I would be just delisting 3-4 players at years end and being a minor player in trade/draft week.

I would definitely be looking to do as little as possible if I was im charge at Geelong. However if Prismall was unhappy with the game time he is getting and willing to go in the preseason draft I would try and trade Kelly with a promise of more game time for Prissa. If he was still unhappy then you are forced to trade Prismall.

The other issue is that Geelong must be stretching there salary cap and trading one of Kelly/DJ/Hunt would go a long was towards reducing that.

These are the only two reasons I would trade but I think they are a very real possibilty.

 

[year of the cat]

I would definitely be looking to do as little as possible if I was im charge at Geelong. However if Prismall was unhappy with the game time he is getting and willing to go in the preseason draft I would try and trade Kelly with a promise of more game time for Prissa. If he was still unhappy then you are forced to trade Prismall.

The other issue is that Geelong must be stretching there salary cap and trading one of Kelly/DJ/Hunt would go a long was towards reducing that.

These are the only two reasons I would trade but I think they are a very real possibilty.

Will be an interesting period. I think that either Scarlett or Milburn move onto the veterans list in the next year or two which would free up a little room in the cap. Our list is so even that there would probably be a comparatively flat variation in player payments to other teams that have one or two champions that would command a lot. Though this may change when G.Ablett and Bartel next come out of contract. Hopefully the lure of premiership success will mean most will accept a fair bit less than what they may be offered at other clubs.

I would love to see Prismall stay and watch his ongoing development at the cats. I agree that he may be more valuable than Kelly in the long term. Having said that I just can't see Kelly now being traded with his form improving this year. He is pretty popular at the club and if he was going to go I reckon last year was the year for him to leave.

On other things, would you go for Scott Selwood if he was available at our pick? Is Jarrod Grant the sort of mobile tall that we could replace Harley down the track? Any other potential draftees that you think would be particularly suitable for us?

 

[Jono B]

dont mind trading away any of
Watson, Slattery, Peverill, Lee, Laycock, Bolton, Bradley, Camporeale, Cole, Dempsey, Heffernan.


would like to get any of
McMahon, Malceski, Ryan Lonie, Rusling, Byrnes, Newman, Rischitelli, Ebert, Waters.


how about
McMahon for Bradley + 3rd round
Malceski for Dempsey and Peverill (fast running foward midfielder + peverill suits sydneys game style.)
Lonie for Watson
Newman for Laycock + Bolton

Just some ideas tell us what ya think. if ya have any ideas for other trades involving those players.

Just goes to show the risks of trading players who are still developing. The last few trades seem stupid now.

 

[DanA]

Will be an interesting period. I think that either Scarlett or Milburn move onto the veterans list in the next year or two which would free up a little room in the cap. Our list is so even that there would probably be a comparatively flat variation in player payments to other teams that have one or two champions that would command a lot. Though this may change when G.Ablett and Bartel next come out of contract. Hopefully the lure of premiership success will mean most will accept a fair bit less than what they may be offered at other clubs.

I would love to see Prismall stay and watch his ongoing development at the cats. I agree that he may be more valuable than Kelly in the long term. Having said that I just can't see Kelly now being traded with his form improving this year. He is pretty popular at the club and if he was going to go I reckon last year was the year for him to leave.

On other things, would you go for Scott Selwood if he was available at our pick? Is Jarrod Grant the sort of mobile tall that we could replace Harley down the track? Any other potential draftees that you think would be particularly suitable for us?

Definitely look at Selwood. The entire family has an exceptional work ethic and a very good mentally. He has the talent to go there abouts and you know as a Selwood he will work hard.

 

[hulld]

it's been reported on the bulldogs board that ahley hansen wants to return home to victoria. the poster didn't have any evidence but i know for fact that his girlfriend lives and works here in victoria. so there would be a possibility of him wanting to leave

 

[Snoop Dog]

What value would people put on the following Geelong players:

Josh Hunt - 25 year old strong bodied attacking back pocket with booming left foot. Adcock style of player but cats prefer Scarlett & Milburn as quarterbacks. Pies or Demons?

David Johnson - 25 year old small defender/midfielder who is very good at tagging and quite reliable. Doesn't fit cats attacking back line. Blues?

James Kelly - 23 tear old inside midfielder who looked a super star early in his career. Broke his leg and lost a bit of passion for the game but seems to be getting some form back. Not getting much game behind Ablett, Bartel, Corey & Ling and Prismall is competing for his spot. Bombers?

Brent Prismall - 21 year old inside attacking midfielder with good skills, dominates reserves and played well early on before being squeezed when James Kelly returned from suspension. Far too good to be in the reserves and may seek more opportunity. Tigers?

These are the only Cats of value I can see being considered for trade week. All are easily of AFL level players but don't fit well in the team plan. What would you give up for these players?

Kelly would have had some value for us last year bc we werent sure where the midfield group was going. Now, would be minimal. History probably says we should have traded pick 28 (dawes) for Johnson but we wont know for some time.

 

[Jeremias]

What value would people put on the following Geelong players:

Here's what I reckon from a Carlton perspective.

Josh Hunt - 25 year old strong bodied attacking back pocket with booming left foot. Adcock style of player but cats prefer Scarlett & Milburn as quarterbacks. Pies or Demons?

Little interest. Seems soft to me, which isn't what we need.

David Johnson - 25 year old small defender/midfielder who is very good at tagging and quite reliable. Doesn't fit cats attacking back line. Blues?

Yes please. Would be in favour or swapping 2nd rounders and you giving us Johnson.

James Kelly - 23 tear old inside midfielder who looked a super star early in his career. Broke his leg and lost a bit of passion for the game but seems to be getting some form back. Not getting much game behind Ablett, Bartel, Corey & Ling and Prismall is competing for his spot. Bombers?

We'd be interested, but he wouldn't be a priority of ours. Not sure what we could give up for him-would probably be one of those cases where a deal wouldn't be reached due to us not willing to give you what you want in return.

Brent Prismall - 21 year old inside attacking midfielder with good skills, dominates reserves and played well early on before being squeezed when James Kelly returned from suspension. Far too good to be in the reserves and may seek more opportunity. Tigers?

Yes please! I am a huge fan of Prissa's, he's too good to be playing where he is now-he is good enough to be a regular senior player right now. He'd be a starting midfielder for us for sure. Would love to get him. 2nd rounder should suffice.

 

[Genesis67]

it's been reported on the bulldogs board that ahley hansen wants to return home to victoria. the poster didn't have any evidence but i know for fact that his girlfriend lives and works here in victoria. so there would be a possibility of him wanting to leave

That would require a big trade tbh. West Coast values him as highly as any player on its list, and would not let him go easily, even if he requested a trade (which I've never heard anything about).

Pretty sure he is contracted, is one of the first half dozen selected when fit. Is WC's talisman, he plays, we invariably win.

First rounder + Second rounder.

Wouldn't even look at anything less personally. I'd spend the time throwing even the kitchen sink at getting him to stay.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Hansen>Carlton, Fevola>West Coast, possibly? Just a suggestion.

 

[Sherminator.]

3) 2nd Round pick Freo for Matthew Moody Lions
4) 2nd Round pick and 3rd Round picks for Richard Hardley Lions

3) Accepted, I'd take it. Maybe a 3rd round and Schammer?
4) You're f**king kidding me. Hadley returning to WA is like Judd returning to Melbourne (should'nt compare the two, but it is the the first I thought of). Hadley is a big part of Brisbane's future and I couldn't see him leaving, no matter how sweet the deal is.

'K bye.

 

[beatlesmith]

Hansen>Carlton, Fevola>West Coast, possibly? Just a suggestion.

Yer, Hansen, Rosa and a 3rd would get it done. IMO, Hansen is just what Bulldogs need, a hard running tall CHF who leads up the ground and in return kicks to other forwards in the 50. Maybe a 3-way deal could be reached or we use the picks gained from hansen to get fev.
What would essendon want for laycock?

 

[Embers]

Hansen is untradeable. Contracted till 2008 anyway.May aswell trade Dean Cox while were at it. VERY important to us

 

[Jono B]

Yer, Hansen, Rosa and a 3rd would get it done. IMO, Hansen is just what Bulldogs need, a hard running tall CHF who leads up the ground and in return kicks to other forwards in the 50. Maybe a 3-way deal could be reached or we use the picks gained from hansen to get fev.
What would essendon want for laycock?

If we trade Laycock we would want a ruckman as a stop gap until Ryder develops. A backman would also be good to cover for the future losses of Mal, Fletch and Ryder from the backline.

 

[ant555]

Yer, Hansen, Rosa and a 3rd would get it done. IMO, Hansen is just what Bulldogs need, a hard running tall CHF who leads up the ground and in return kicks to other forwards in the 50. Maybe a 3-way deal could be reached or we use the picks gained from hansen to get fev.
What would essendon want for laycock?

Another ruckman.
I would even bother looking at Laycock , we wont be trading something we are short off.

 

[Silvagnis]

Yer, Hansen, Rosa and a 3rd would get it done.

No, it wouldn't.

We have no need for a lead up CHF like Hansen and he isn't worth Fev if you include Rosa. I doubt Carlton would even bother using that 3rd round pick when this draft appears to be as shallow as the 2005 draft. We'd want your first pick, a gun young player of the quality of Hurn(just an example) and a second round pick for Fevola.

 

[catzfan]

hows meeson going at the moment is he worth a second round pick

 

[The Royal Sampler]

He's never played an AFL game, but was taken in 2004 Draft with pick #8.

He was recently in the best for Norwood against Glenelg in the SANFL.

Whether you think he's worth a second-round pick is up to you, and/or the recruiters. In a weak draft year, I'd say he's worth about that.