Premier A 2014

[darwinderwin]

BM, Blacks by 6 goals.............

Scotch v Brighton - Scotch too good against a Brighton side that is finding it tough at this stage.
OT v Beauy - Ive tipped against OT every week. Their supporters should thank me.
Bernies v Blacks - This one will mean more to Bernards after last year. As much as I love going out there, I'm sticking to the Main again this weekend
Xavs v Collegians - We all know Xavs will come, but if they drop this one, how many more could they drop before it's too late for finals?
DLS v SBMT - SBMT over a struggling DLS.

 

[demonstrate]

Similar to your analysis of Beauie, what about Bernard's.........having an excellent start to the season across their 6 teams

2-1 in Prem (with tough assignment tomorrow against Blacks) = solid start early in the season
Ressies and 3rds both undefeated to date and on top = establishing depth?
19 Prem only loss has been to Beauie in quality game and accounted easily for previously undefeated Skevs last week....have another big game tomorrow against undefeated Xavs, but clearly a quality group of youngsters
19 Nth and 18's teams (3 under age teams, wow) also in top 4 of their divisions........

No argument here,Bernards u/age program is the benchmark.Some recruiting is always needed to add depth etc.Calvert is probably a good example.After seeing st bedes bring the current group through 19's/seniors its going to be hard for them and other clubs that maintain top age dominated sides to be constantly top class in the 19"s but .I would expect the seniors to benefit for the next decade or so.Bernards like Beauy will have the same challenges in keeping that many good kids with an already successfull younger senior group.

 

[Rooster 24]

No argument here,Bernards u/age program is the benchmark.Some recruiting is always needed to add depth etc.Calvert is probably a good example.After seeing st bedes bring the current group through 19's/seniors its going to be hard for them and other clubs that maintain top age dominated sides to be constantly top class in the 19"s but .I would expect the seniors to benefit for the next decade or so.Bernards like Beauy will have the same challenges in keeping that many good kids with an already successfull younger senior group.

St Bernards have a great unders program but benchmark? DLS U19 Premier record between 2004 – 2012: 1st 3rd 1st 1st 2nd 1st 1st 2nd 1st – now that’s the benchmark.

Since 2006 Old Xavs have been in 6 U19 Premier Div grand finals (1 flag) and St Bedes 3 grand finals (2 flags) While Bernies have a good crop of youngsters they have a way to go yet. These 3 clubs certainly the benchmarks of recent years.

 

[demonstrate]

St Bernards have a great unders program but benchmark? DLS U19 Premier record between 2004 – 2012: 1st 3rd 1st 1st 2nd 1st 1st 2nd 1st – now that’s the benchmark.

Since 2006 Old Xavs have been in 6 U19 Premier Div grand finals (1 flag) and St Bedes 3 grand finals (2 flags) While Bernies have a good crop of youngsters they have a way to go yet. These 3 clubs certainly the benchmarks of recent years.

Not at all has this discussion referred to U19 premierships, my point is clubs unders PROGRAMS{current and a couple of years back}prospectively yielding senior results.The challenges of maintaining a young list, and how recruiting from outside the club at u/age or around 20 is, has and potentially been beneficial.
De/La have an exceptional u/19 record in recent years,blooded a number into the senior ranks,but how successfull that has translated into senior results,is has or soon will peak with or without bringing the next crop up.
Xavs record across the board speaks for itself,however St Bernards in my opinion have the program that has the potential to reap rewards shortly should the list be maintained and the program continue to evolve.Their academy program is a great tester for future reference.
St Bedes are always great developers and very clever recruiters but potentially will and are probably likely to struggle for a couple of years at 19 level,seniors will be strong based on the existing program results in the future.
Jason Mifsud or whoever is responsible at beauy(and similar St Bedes) for establishing younger players at prem c.&b and now A level should be applauded for not just relying on the existing juniors but adding talented youngsters to the existing crop, it makes Steve Lawrence"s job so much easier for the imediate future and if continued, some time in the future AT SENIOR LEVEL
Each club has the same problem--KEEPING them all.
How you have construed this into being about U19 premierships is beyond me,But please, dont let me stop you from admiring those underage flags hanging in the clubrooms.

 

[ultimate warrior]

How do you measure a youth development program without considering premierships?
Think you'll also find de la senior were pretty close to winning 3 senior flags as a result. Unfortunately they didn't and now they have experienced some players leave but I still think it was quite successful.
As for bernards having the best program, what nonsense. What, they've been in a grade for two years after a fair stint in b. Hardly ground breaking.


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[Rooster 24]

Not at all has this discussion referred to U19 premierships, my point is clubs unders PROGRAMS{current and a couple of years back}prospectively yielding senior results.The challenges of maintaining a young list, and how recruiting from outside the club at u/age or around 20 is, has and potentially been beneficial.
De/La have an exceptional u/19 record in recent years,blooded a number into the senior ranks,but how successfull that has translated into senior results,is has or soon will peak with or without bringing the next crop up.
Xavs record across the board speaks for itself,however St Bernards in my opinion have the program that has the potential to reap rewards shortly should the list be maintained and the program continue to evolve.Their academy program is a great tester for future reference.
St Bedes are always great developers and very clever recruiters but potentially will and are probably likely to struggle for a couple of years at 19 level,seniors will be strong based on the existing program results in the future.
Jason Mifsud or whoever is responsible at beauy(and similar St Bedes) for establishing younger players at prem c.&b and now A level should be applauded for not just relying on the existing juniors but adding talented youngsters to the existing crop, it makes Steve Lawrence"s job so much easier for the imediate future and if continued, some time in the future AT SENIOR LEVEL
Each club has the same problem--KEEPING them all.
How you have construed this into being about U19 premierships is beyond me,But please, dont let me stop you from admiring those underage flags hanging in the clubrooms.

Pardon me. Your post referred to underage programs. On that basis I have (mistakenly it seems) figured you were talking about U19s.

Success measured in different way. The clubs 19s program has sustained them as a competitive ‘A’ grade club for many years now, essentially with completely home grown players. St Bedes the same with the number of players transitioning from 19s to seniors comparable to De La’s. St Bernards only back in 'A' grade for 2 years without a finals appearance so might be a but early to be lauding them as a benchmark just yet.

Now argument about Xavs success however you would be surprised to know that very few of those players from the strong U19 teams of recent years have been part of their senior success.

 

[demonstrate]

How do you measure a youth development program without considering premierships?
Think you'll also find de la senior were pretty close to winning 3 senior flags as a result. Unfortunately they didn't and now they have experienced some players leave but I still think it was quite successful.
As for bernards having the best program, what nonsense. What, they've been in a grade for two years after a fair stint in b. Hardly ground breaking.


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What? it has everything to do with premierships Senior and optimum Premier division.
Getting close is the entire point of discussion and undermines your reply somewhat,ratio of senior flags from development flags ?.Total thus far in the last decade roughly 0
Bernards program POTENTIAL has it all from u/9 to u/23 in development and then seniors.Every age group is represented(to me that is benchmark)
Dont tell the likes of Beauy , st bedes or Bernards that getting close is quite succesfull because as i suspect they will have a great chuckle as they sail on past the rest of the comp.

 

[demonstrate]

Pardon me. Your post referred to underage programs. On that basis I have (mistakenly it seems) figured you were talking about U19s.

Success measured in different way. The clubs 19s program has sustained them as a competitive ‘A’ grade club for many years now, essentially with completely home grown players. St Bedes the same with the number of players transitioning from 19s to seniors comparable to De La’s. St Bernards only back in 'A' grade for 2 years without a finals appearance so might be a but early to be lauding them as a benchmark just yet.

Now argument about Xavs success however you would be surprised to know that very few of those players from the strong U19 teams of recent years have been part of their senior success.

No need for pardons,sustained is the basis of discussion.Look closely at the relative new comers to Prem A and the development pattern is clear,They are building for sustained premiership asaults.All this discussion is purely a mug analysis on whats been observed from an outsiders point of view.
Xavs is clearly my point with regard to clever recruiting combined with existing talent and not restricted to that .

 

[Bagman99]

BM, Blacks by 6 goals.............

Well, my tipping was equally poor this round. Bernards controlled their game all day in an impressive performance without Chad Jones. De La had several VFL stars back (Pies vfl bye) and delivered, and OTs clearly dominated Beauie.....what happened their? 1.8.14 in the entire game??

 

[Bagman99]

Scotch v Brighton - Scotch too good against a Brighton side that is finding it tough at this stage.
OT v Beauy - Ive tipped against OT every week. Their supporters should thank me.
Bernies v Blacks - This one will mean more to Bernards after last year. As much as I love going out there, I'm sticking to the Main again this weekend
Xavs v Collegians - We all know Xavs will come, but if they drop this one, how many more could they drop before it's too late for finals?
DLS v SBMT - SBMT over a struggling DLS.

3 from 5....pretty good.

 

[Rooster 24]

Well, my tipping was equally poor this round. Bernards controlled their game all day in an impressive performance without Chad Jones. De La had several VFL stars back (Pies vfl bye) and delivered, and OTs clearly dominated Beauie.....what happened their? 1.8.14 in the entire game??

Just to provide some balance to that comment DLS had 2 VFL players, – Jake Williams and Tim Allan as did St Bedes, Jack Hellier (C’wood VFL capt.) and Tom Tyquin. While all are quality players none had a significant impact on result. De La doesn’t have class of the top sides but have improved rapidly and won’t be the easy beats many predicted. Blacks on the rebound at the Uni next week might be a tough ask but Collegians at home the week after is massive game for both clubs in the context of the season.

This season is wide open and great to see a few different clubs at the pointy end. St Bedes again starting slowly. Have a few players to return but have another tough one next week. If they go 1 /4 it is a long way back, particuarly in such a tight season.

 

[darwinderwin]

Just to provide some balance to that comment DLS had 2 VFL players, – Jake Williams and Tim Allan as did St Bedes, Jack Hellier (C’wood VFL capt.) and Tom Tyquin. While all are quality players none had a significant impact on result. De La doesn’t have class of the top sides but have improved rapidly and won’t be the easy beats many predicted. Blacks on the rebound at the Uni next week might be a tough ask but Collegians at home the week after is massive game for both clubs in the context of the season.

This season is wide open and great to see a few different clubs at the pointy end. St Bedes again starting slowly. Have a few players to return but have another tough one next week. If they go 1 /4 it is a long way back, particuarly in such a tight season.

Well, looks like it's going to be a fairly even season. Winning the tight games could be the difference between playing finals or just missing out, or even keeping out of the relegation zone.

OT have proven that they are now (with Bernards) the early season bench mark. Even when they were sitting 3-0 I was not convinced about them, but after seeing what they did to Beauy on the weekend, a team I rate this year, they have won me over. Well done to them, they have obviously worked hard in the off season to make sure they made an immediate impact on Premier. They win half (7) of their games from here on in and they will most probably play finals.

Bernards just went down to OT in round 1 away from home and is probably a good indication of where both clubs are at. Evenly matched and up the top.

Blacks put Collegians to the sword but limped over the line against Scotch and held off a slow season starting Xavs in round 1. At this stage I have them just at the top of a bunch of clubs including Beauy, Scotch and Xavs. Might be harsh not to include DLS in this group given their last two games.

St Bede's and Collegians sit in the next tier, but both could easily make the step up to the tier above. SBMT just lost to Trinity and there have been some good signs from Collegians since the Blacsk game.

Brighton are probably down the bottom by themselves but it wont be long before they chalk one up. Their game against Beauy this weekend will be very interesting. Its actually a really interesting round across the board. Scotch plays Xavs, on form you'd pick Scotch but Xavs may have found their feet after last weeks game. Collegians play Trinity after coming into some form, and this week I'll definitely be tipping OT. Will be a good chance for Collegians to test themselves. Blacks host DLS. I'm torn on this one. DLS similar to Collegians in that they have found some form and get the blacks after being solidly beaten by Bernards. Bernards play SBMT, with St Bede's desperatley needing a win. It was about this time last year they came good!

 

[Penski]

Before the season started i had Old Brighton, SBMT, DLS and OT as the bottom four (in no particular order).

Right now other than OB, i have no idea. This is definately starting to even up.

 

[Bagman99]

I think OB are gone already. Zip and 4, they will need at least 6 wins to avoid relegation and their % is already toast, so probably need 7 wins. Beauie on a huge rebound will be tough. Query still on Beauie depth for mine, but their best 22 is competitive.

Blacks are quality, as are Bernards and OT. Early season these 3 are impressive. Bernards and Blacks 1st and 2nd in 2's equals depth, which bodes well for them.

Throw a blanket over the rest, and on their day Xavs, Scotch, Collegians, St Bedes will give top sides a scare. I think De La will avoid the drop but will not make finals.

 

[Brissel]

I think OB are gone already. Zip and 4, they will need at least 6 wins to avoid relegation and their % is already toast, so probably need 7 wins. Beauie on a huge rebound will be tough. Query still on Beauie depth for mine, but their best 22 is competitive.

Blacks are quality, as are Bernards and OT. Early season these 3 are impressive. Bernards and Blacks 1st and 2nd in 2's equals depth, which bodes well for them.

Throw a blanket over the rest, and on their day Xavs, Scotch, Collegians, St Bedes will give top sides a scare. I think De La will avoid the drop but will not make finals.

bernards 3rds are also undefeated

so this means the 1's are equal 2nd with their 2's and 3's both undefeated and sitting on top. impressive

 

[AM]

I think OB are gone already. Zip and 4, they will need at least 6 wins to avoid relegation and their % is already toast, so probably need 7 wins. Beauie on a huge rebound will be tough. Query still on Beauie depth for mine, but their best 22 is competitive.

Blacks are quality, as are Bernards and OT. Early season these 3 are impressive. Bernards and Blacks 1st and 2nd in 2's equals depth, which bodes well for them.

Throw a blanket over the rest, and on their day Xavs, Scotch, Collegians, St Bedes will give top sides a scare. I think De La will avoid the drop but will not make finals.

There was a report on one of the community radio stations that Trinity will lose half a dozen ones players to overseas travel in the near future. Anyone from Trinity confirm?

 

[Bagman99]

There was a report on one of the community radio stations that Trinity will lose half a dozen ones players to overseas travel in the near future. Anyone from Trinity confirm?

Have no idea........

 

[Max Leader]

Big suspensions from Xavs land
4 weeks for Beetham
3 weeks for Shaw

Were they justified?

 

[flat footy]

Big suspensions from Xavs land
4 weeks for Beetham
3 weeks for Shaw

Were they justified?

Beetham knocked the kid out cold (couple of mins) after he kicked the ball.....what do you reckon?
Shaw hurt his opponent but so did Viney.

 

[Max Leader]

Beetham knocked the kid out cold (couple of mins) after he kicked the ball.....what do you reckon?
Shaw hurt his opponent but so did Viney.

Sounds good to me

 

[Bagman99]

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Beetham knocked the kid out cold (couple of mins) after he kicked the ball.....what do you reckon?
Shaw hurt his opponent but so did Viney.

Seems to me the exception with VAFA tribunal would be to get off lightly.....so the trick is not to get reported in the first place......VAFA tribunal is very consistent handing out decent penalties, and now alot of incidents have the benefit of video review

 

[Bagman99]

Beetham knocked the kid out cold (couple of mins) after he kicked the ball.....what do you reckon?
Shaw hurt his opponent but so did Viney.

Old Scotch, Bernard's and Old Brighton will all be happy having those 2 players unavailable the next 3 weeks.

 

[members section]

Big suspensions from Xavs land
4 weeks for Beetham
3 weeks for Shaw

Were they justified?

both very justified maybe a week too much for shaw

 

[flat footy]

both very justified maybe a week too much for shaw

From what I hear, yes..... Beetham, probably 5 would have been more approp. The Coll boy wasnt just dizzy, he was out for multiple minutes
........very scary. Shaw? 2 would have been more appropriate maybe.

 

[Bagman99]

Three questions for those interested in VAFA Prem....(1) how does Xavs turn its season around? (2) How many of last years Xavs team was missing last week against Scotch? (3) Old Scotch - 3-2 record, and but for a 4th quarter fade out against St Bedes (which is looking an awful loss now) would be 4-1 withthe other teams currently 4-1 - are they also a contender?