Training Preseason 2022/23 Talk & Media/Social Media etc.

[cleanhands]

I hope a heat map was supplied.


I’ll tell that to John

I’m sure he’ll receive that well

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Looking at most Clubs PS Training reports and pressers .....the theme going into 2023 is going to be speed of ball movement

 

[pjcrows]

Looking at most Clubs PS Training reports and pressers .....the theme going into 2023 is going to be speed of ball movement

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To be fair, that's been the last decade or more, particularly early. High octane style is unsustainable by August/September.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

To be fair, that's been the last decade or more.

Clubs were chip chipping in the backlines up until 3-4 years ago .....but since the intro of 6 x 6 x 6 the emphasis on mid speed has increased, hence players like Crouch & Titch on the outer (and others)

Now it's also speed of exiting the DEF 50 .....Fantasy kings like Lloyd have been relegated, as SYD rely on Nick Blackey to run & carry out of def

Brings into play Milera off HB .....and Rankine's speed, you can understand why his services were so valued

 

[George Kramer]

Clubs were chip chipping in the backlines up until 3-4 years ago .....but since the intro of 6 x 6 x 6 the emphasis on mid speed has increased, hence players like Crouch & Titch on the outer (and others)

Now it's also speed of exiting the DEF 50 .....Fantasy kings like Lloyd have been relegated, as SYD rely on Nick Blackey to run & carry out of def

Brings into play Milera off HB .....and Rankine's speed, you can understand why his services were so valued

So you’re expecting we will change our gameplan this year?

 

[crow2crow]

So you’re expecting we will change our gameplan this year?

we only need one gameplan

WIN

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So you’re expecting we will change our gameplan this year?

I think this what you struggle with ....the gameplan has to factor in the experience & cattle of a side ....it's not necessarily a reflection of how a Coach sees the final gameplan

Do you think Nicks would have the same gameplan with the youngest & most inexperienced side ....versus a mature side
It would be silly to suggest otherwise

So, yes ....the gameplan will alter, it does most years in the AFL .....more experience amongst the younger players, adding Rankine, albeit one player, does change the structure dynamics

Our issue is still our KPD's ....most of the top sides KPF's will get a hold of us, unless we afford them more protection

 

[jackster83]

Our issue is still our KPD's ....most of the top sides KPF's will get a hold of us, unless we afford them more protection

If that's the case, then why did we not address that in the trade/draft period?

Two drafts now without us taking a KPP.

 

[crow2crow]

I think this what you struggle with ....the gameplan has to factor in the experience & cattle of a side ....it's not necessarily a reflection of how a Coach sees the final gameplan

Do you think Nicks would have the same gameplan with the youngest & most inexperienced side ....versus a mature side
It would be silly to suggest otherwise

So, yes ....the gameplan will alter, it does most years in the AFL .....more experience amongst the younger players, adding Rankine, albeit one player, does change the structure dynamics

Our issue is still our KPD's ....most of the top sides KPF's will get a hold of us, unless we afford them more protection

and yes Ruck. sorry to come back to it but ROB aint it... either they think its thilthorpe or they must have another plan surely

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If that's the case, then why did we not address that in the trade/draft period?

Two drafts now without us taking a KPP.

You develop KPD's or trade for experienced .....there's no shortcut ....McAsey would have been monstored given his inexperience and lack of muscle .....drafting yet another 18 YO KPD, solves nothing

Just have to be patient and develop Butts, Murray, Worrel, and Keane ....all are going to make heaps of mistakes in the short-term .....mistakes that normally cost goals

 

[WaynesWorld19]

and yes Ruck. sorry to come back to it but ROB aint it... either they think its thilthorpe or they must have another plan surely

Which would leave us thin in the FWD Line .....I would have gone Meek, is a good player lacking opportunities

Sometimes, as frustrating as it is ....you have to wait for the right opportunity .....Barnett would have been a great get this Draft

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Clubs were chip chipping in the backlines up until 3-4 years ago .....but since the intro of 6 x 6 x 6 the emphasis on mid speed has increased, hence players like Crouch & Titch on the outer (and others)

Now it's also speed of exiting the DEF 50 .....Fantasy kings like Lloyd have been relegated, as SYD rely on Nick Blackey to run & carry out of def

Brings into play Milera off HB .....and Rankine's speed, you can understand why his services were so valued

More ....

 

[Danger in Texas]

If that's the case, then why did we not address that in the trade/draft period?

Two drafts now without us taking a KPP.

Think we’re waiting to see how Butts/Murray (and maybe Keane) develop for the next two years, then we’ll target someone like Cox if one of them stagnate

 

[Golumless]

Clubs were chip chipping in the backlines up until 3-4 years ago .....but since the intro of 6 x 6 x 6 the emphasis on mid speed has increased, hence players like Crouch & Titch on the outer (and others)

Now it's also speed of exiting the DEF 50 .....Fantasy kings like Lloyd have been relegated, as SYD rely on Nick Blackey to run & carry out of def

Brings into play Milera off HB .....and Rankine's speed, you can understand why his services were so valued

Now? It's been like that for a decade.

Zonal defenses, defensive switches, prioritizing intercepting power, and counter-attacking football have been staples of 2010s and are all designed to prioritise speed from the defensive unit. Chipping and slow play are usually seen when a team ball movement is shut down, not by design.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Now? It's been like that for a decade.

Zonal defenses, defensive switches, prioritizing intercepting power, and counter-attacking football have been staples of 2010s. Chipping and slow play are usually seen when a team ball movement is shut down.

Not a decade, to the same level as last year ....change coincided with the law changes relating to kickouts ....instead of the chip kick to the pockets / flanks ....now teams are running from the square 15-20 mtrs, and releasing the ball close to HB

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think this what you struggle with ....the gameplan has to factor in the experience & cattle of a side ....it's not necessarily a reflection of how a Coach sees the final gameplan

Do you think Nicks would have the same gameplan with the youngest & most inexperienced side ....versus a mature side
It would be silly to suggest otherwise

So, yes ....the gameplan will alter, it does most years in the AFL .....more experience amongst the younger players, adding Rankine, albeit one player, does change the structure dynamics

Our issue is still our KPD's ....most of the top sides KPF's will get a hold of us, unless we afford them more protection

We need ROB to give them more marking protection... rather than being 15m away from forward stoppages.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Think we’re waiting to see how Butts/Murray (and maybe Keane) develop for the next two years, then we’ll target someone like Cox if one of them stagnate

Cox or himmelberg..

Himmelberg can play both ends, is a free agent at seasons end so won’t cost draft capital if we simply offer more than GWS does/can.. and we have his brother to help lure him over.

 

[Scorpus]

Is there a team that doesn't look great and super quick at training?

 

[Golumless]

Not a decade, to the same level as last year ....change coincided with the law changes relating to kickouts ....instead of the chip kick to the pockets / flanks ....now teams are running from the square 15-20 mtrs, and releasing the ball close to HB

There are always going to be new optimizations coming into the fore however, football has been about generating as much speed as possible in the defensive unit and counter-punching for a relatively long time now. It's not the new 'in' thing for 2023.

In 5 years the game is going to be even faster from defense, unless a style gets popular which ends up countering it in a cost-effective manner.

 

[1990crow]

Is there a team that doesn't look great and super quick at training?

Classic how fast can you get the ball from end to end drill without any real opposition.

 

[Scorpus]

Classic how fast can you get the ball from end to end drill without any real opposition.

Also the whole "probables vs possibles" which is just "let's have our good players beat up on the crap ones so we feel real good about ourselves"

 

[Jeffcrowe]

i know it's not a happy video, but listening to Shane speak literally warms my heart. Love that kid.

He’s an amazing story

 

[Danger in Texas]

Cox or himmelberg..

Himmelberg can play both ends, is a free agent at seasons end so won’t cost draft capital if we simply offer more than GWS does/can.. and we have his brother to help lure him over.

If HH wants to play in defence, he’d be a superb target

Training with the forwards this preseason so far, dunno if that’s because he wants to play there or if Kingsley’s planned to use him there

 

[George Kramer]

I think this what you struggle with ....the gameplan has to factor in the experience & cattle of a side ....it's not necessarily a reflection of how a Coach sees the final gameplan

Do you think Nicks would have the same gameplan with the youngest & most inexperienced side ....versus a mature side
It would be silly to suggest otherwise

So, yes ....the gameplan will alter, it does most years in the AFL .....more experience amongst the younger players, adding Rankine, albeit one player, does change the structure dynamics

Our issue is still our KPD's ....most of the top sides KPF's will get a hold of us, unless we afford them more protection

What I struggle with is any gameplan that thinks Hately and Crouch on the wing is a good idea irrespective of experience.

Last year we started the year with a more attacking game plan and team structure. We had good wins against Port, Richmond and Bulldogs. One kick losses to Freo and Essendon and a 42 point loss to the Pies. We were 3-3.

We had 2 bad losses against Carlton and GWS and Nicks panicked and went into minimise the loss mode rather than going for the win. They admitted as much when the Gold Coast kicked late goals on “we were close enough for a win so we went for it and conceded late goals” or words to that effect.

Part of the defensive strategy was playing Dawson in defence, we even did it against West Coast and North, 2 of the worst teams you’ll ever see. So he spent the games being pushed back deep into defence.

I commented I met some players dads and one feedback was Nicks was too defensive.

We’ve debated this before, you think he’s been teaching us defence first, I’d say if that includes pushing our small forwards up the ground towards the contest to clog it up teaches our players nothing. When we play more attacking and decide to keep our small forwards up nearer goals, what have we taught our players about winning contested ball?

So you’re putting it out there now with Rankine and more experience we will be more attacking, I hope you’re right. If you’re wrong I suppose you’ll have an excuse ready and we go again for 2024 Starting Dawson in defence doesn’t bode well though.

 

[cleanhands]

Is there a team that doesn't look great and super quick at training?

I Haven’t seen any woman’s training!