Training Preseason 2022/23 Talk & Media/Social Media etc.

[Jeffcrowe]

I would love to see Laird move back to Half Back this year.

Ideally we should be giving 6 players midfielders signifcant time at the coal face.

Old guy (one of Keays/Crouch/Laird) alongside Berry, Schoenberg, Soligo as the main players with Rankine & Rachelle to spend a chunk of time running through there.

Nah Laird is playing too well in mid , better to use the other capital we have eg Milera Parnell Hamill

 

[George Kramer]

Its not as tough as you think.

For every one average small/medium defender you pick - you just leave a few more average small/medium defenders out (Parnell, Jones, Hamill, McPherson, Milera, Doedeee, Hinge).

Milera is a lock. A fit Doedee is a lock. Smith is a lock. So is Butts. That’s 4. Worrell given how he finished last year, if he’s fit he has to play. You’d think Murray would be too. Thats 6 defenders, 4 with reasonable height. If Max is playing that’s 7 and I haven’t factored in a small defender yet or Dawson.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I get it. Negative metres gained doesn't look great on the stats sheet but I'd argue in a skills contest that Crouch would do better than Keays who genuinely cannot kick the ball to a target 15m away.

In a skills contest yes

In a game of football where things aren’t as engineered and you have opponents chasing you - no

 

[AFC979810]

Nah Laird is playing too well in mid , better to use the other capital we have eg Milera Parnell Hamill

Depends on what our goals are for 2023 right... Are we trying to climb the ladder in 2023? Cause if we aint - not much point keeping Laird in the guts.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Milera is a lock. A fit Doedee is a lock. Smith is a lock. So is Butts. That’s 4. Worrell given how he finished last year, if he’s fit he has to play. You’d think Murray would be too. Thats 6 defenders, 4 with reasonable height. If Max is playing that’s 7 and I haven’t factored in a small defender yet or Dawson.

Maybe Dawson is playing midfield

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Depends on what our goals are for 2023 right... Are we trying to climb the ladder in 2023? Cause if we aint - not much point keeping Laird in the guts.

He’s not that old , Matt crouch is similar age

I think we can carry one 28 yo in mid

 

[George Kramer]

Maybe Dawson is playing midfield

Just can’t see it given where he’s training.

I just can’t work out what Nicks has planned.

I can see Worrell missing and if he’s fit and that happens, just so he can play Dawson back there, the board should sack him Rd 1 because a friggin idiot.

 

[Coopers]

Milera is a lock. A fit Doedee is a lock. Smith is a lock. So is Butts. That’s 4. Worrell given how he finished last year, if he’s fit he has to play. You’d think Murray would be too. Thats 6 defenders, 4 with reasonable height. If Max is playing that’s 7 and I haven’t factored in a small defender yet or Dawson.

Depends on what our goals are for 2023 right... Are we trying to climb the ladder in 2023? Cause if we aint - not much point keeping Laird in the guts.

There's your solution, put Laird at half back where he started.

Now we have 9 behind the ball.

Need to campaign to change the 6/6/6 rule.

 

[Bearded Clam]

I cannot believe after watching the last three seasons of football of this club there are still some supporters talking up ben keays and matt crouch and even rory sloane as players that can possibly take us forward into the future..

Its just fxxkn astounding.

These lads are either shit or, in sloanes case, cooked and are the exact reason we have had the worst midfield in the comp for a while now..

And people are still delusionally clinging to them??

Wow.

 

[skam85]

Clever AFC, play young Himmelburg this year and entice older Himmelburg to join us via free agency.

Like playing a player 2-3 games to get him to 100 games because of father son rule.

Worked so well with Joel Tippett

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Worked so well with Joel Tippett

Harry is a decent player but I doubt he'd come here. GWS will be clinging to any experienced players they have left. He can leverage that into a fat contract.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

If you're an accumulator, surely you should be able to find the ball anywhere

Exactly right

If Crouch spent time at half forward he'd find the footy. There are things to criticise him for but he gets the ball.

Been disappointing that he's never been even given a stint elsewhere

 

[Scorpus]

Milera is a lock. A fit Doedee is a lock. Smith is a lock. So is Butts. That’s 4. Worrell given how he finished last year, if he’s fit he has to play. You’d think Murray would be too. Thats 6 defenders, 4 with reasonable height. If Max is playing that’s 7 and I haven’t factored in a small defender yet or Dawson.

That's fine, we'll just play 9 guys in defense, I mean the ball will be down there a fair bit

 

[Dangarman]

Having watched a lot of Giants games live in Canberra, I can definitely give a +1 to getting Harry H on board. There's been a few occasions where I've yelled out to him "Can you teach your little brother how to do that?" but I doubt he ever heard me.

 

[1990crow]

Exactly right

If Crouch spent time at half forward he'd find the footy. There are things to criticise him for but he gets the ball.

Been disappointing that he's never been even given a stint elsewhere

Would he be the worst half back? So long as you have a decent speed around him.

 

[1990crow]

That's fine, we'll just play 9 guys in defense, I mean the ball will be down there a fair bit

Nicks' strategy:

 

[Scorpus]

BB Jones - Butts - Dawson
B Parnell - Murray - Doedee
HB Worrell - Smith - Michalanney
HBC Milera - ------ - Hinge

C ------ - Sloane - -------
R O'Brien - Keays - Laird

HF ----- - ----- - -----
F Murphy - Walker - Fogarty

I McHenry - Rankine - Crouch - Himmelberg
S Rachele

The 11 man defense (edit: now with full best 23)

 

[AFC979810]

BB Jones - Butts - Dawson
B Parnell - Murray - Doedee
HB Worrell - Smith - Michalanney
HBC Milera - ------ - Hinge

C ------ - Sloane - -------
R O'Brien - Keays - Laird

HF ----- - ----- - -----
F Murphy - Walker - Fogarty

I McHenry - Rankine - Crouch - Himmelberg
S Rachele

The 11 man defense (edit: now with full best 23)

That's fine, we'll just play 9 guys in defense, I mean the ball will be down there a fair bit

You act like we didn't play those 10 defenders in rd 22 of 2022 - Is it that much of a stretch to add Michaelenney?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Would he be the worst half back? So long as you have a decent speed around him.

There are many better and younger options

 

[martyparty]

Nicks' strategy:

Hypothetically, if it became obvious that Doedee and/or Butts aren’t going to re-sign.. would the club play others ahead of them? And at what stage of the season?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Just can’t see it given where he’s training.

I just can’t work out what Nicks has planned.

I can see Worrell missing and if he’s fit and that happens, just so he can play Dawson back there, the board should sack him Rd 1 because a friggin idiot.

I hope Worrell can play one of the trial games

Dawson will prob play a mixture of back and wing to start but I’m concerned it will be less wing as time goes by with Nicks liking the safety blanket

 

[jackster83]

I cannot believe after watching the last three seasons of football of this club there are still some supporters talking up ben keays and matt crouch and even rory sloane as players that can possibly take us forward into the future..

Its just fxxkn astounding.

These lads are either s**t or, in sloanes case, cooked and are the exact reason we have had the worst midfield in the comp for a while now..

And people are still delusionally clinging to them??

Wow.

I think we're in the denial stage of the seven stages of grief.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I think we're in the denial stage of the seven stages of grief.

I'd say we're at bargaining. You've got people saying we should try Crouch in the forward line or as a half back.

 

[skittlebrew]

If Michalanney is already in that discussion...wow. He might be a very special player in the making

Pretty sure McAsey and Gooch played early so perhaps pump the brakes a little bit on the excitement levels.

 

[StickerMan]

I'd say we're at bargaining. You've got people saying we should try Crouch in the forward line or as a half back.

I think it is pretty simple. He is a MID and that is it. No versatility to his game.

With Laird and Keays there is no room for Crouch. At least with Laird and Keays they offer flexibility with their versatility, being able to play multiple positions. This assists with rotations and getting exposure to the likes of Berry, Schoenberg, Soligo, etc. through the midfield.

It is peak BigFooty to suggest that Matt Crouch could play half back or half forward at AFL level.

Half forward, he is behind:

McAdam
Rachele
Rankine
Pedlar
Murphy
McHenry

Half back, he is behind:

Smith
Milera
Jones
Parnell
Dawson
Doedee
Hamill

Tough call on Matt unfortunately unless he can reinvent himself somehow.