Training Preseason 2024
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Peak Brodie is a lock. Almost transformative. But it very much relies on him bringing his peak zone consistently. Non-peak Brodie (or at least 2023 Brodie) is almost obstructive to what we want to see in dynamic and quick play.
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It’s probably the key and best way to use him. Basically old school CHF that just roams around doing whatever he wants. If not on ball, should be the first option down the line every time
It’s not a sign of weak coaching it is adjusting to what you have. If Brodie demands a midfield spot I would rather see Young go back to the backline than have some one like Eramus/Jonhson out of the side to make way for Draper/Worner to move into the backline. If Brodie comes in someone has to go out…
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Is there a way that Brodie or Fyfe start and the other is the sub. Play half a game each.
Doesn't expose Brodies fitness and is a way of managing Fyfe through the season.
I don't think they both can play with current midfield as we'll be too slow.
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Doesn't expose Brodies fitness and is a way of managing Fyfe through the season.
I don't think they both can play with current midfield as we'll be too slow.
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If yesterday is anything’s to go by looked like they can both play together and both will have around 50-60% game time so can pretty much just swap for eachother. Theres enough midfield depth now to be able to rotate 8-10 guys through
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In all depends on whether we are winning the ball out of the middle. In 2022 we had Mundy paired with Borode onball a decent amount and eventhough Mundy was exposed for pace on the spread we still had a good idfield due to how we were winning clearances more often than not.
If Brodie draws 2-3 opposition to tackle him, yet still releases a handball to advantage, pace won't be an issue. Fyfe doubly so.
Yeah I was confused at people's understanding of inside mids over the last couple of pages
Inside mids play inside the contest, if you're playing 80% of centre bounces then you are inherently playing inside the contest
Yeh I agree. Both are exclusively inside mids and not great defensively.
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I find the boards obsession with Brodie fascinating. He’s had one good year in his career and that’s enough to squeeze into the side by either;
A) Pushing Young, who turned around the midfield last year after finally being moved in there and trained as a mid all preseason, back to defence
B) Reducing on ball time of a two time Brownlow medallist who looks pretty fit finally
C) Pushing an AFL MVP and AA on all mid to the wing
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A) Pushing Young, who turned around the midfield last year after finally being moved in there and trained as a mid all preseason, back to defence
B) Reducing on ball time of a two time Brownlow medallist who looks pretty fit finally
C) Pushing an AFL MVP and AA on all mid to the wing
Find someone who loves you like you guys love Brodie
I don't know if Brodie deserves to push Young and Brayshaw out of the midfield, however I think we would be better with Johnson and Fyfe (when fit) getting first go at centre bounces ahead of those 2.
I think Brayshaw should start as a wing or half forward before moving into the midfield when the ball is around the ground.
I also think moving Young to pure midfield is a mistake - and we'd be much better served with him splitting his time between half back and the centre.
In fact in general we are much to reliant on the same combination of mids in the centre bounce compared to other clubs. We need to shake things up a bit more in that regard in my opinion.
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Not to nag you mate, just super excited to have a look!
Did the upload progress much over night?
Brodie at his best is almost peerless at keeping his hands free with the ball and being able to see a release 360 around him. Probably only peak Fyfe is better at standing up in a tackle & getting the ball clear.
My interpretation of inside midfield aligns with those who define it as a specialist role within the midfield group. It’s the player trying to get first hands on it. The 2nd in line blocks & gets the release or allows the 3rd in line to break from the contest.
You want a combination of fast hands (Serong, Brayshaw, Brodie) , brute strength (Fyfe, Young, Brodie) and good vision/disposal (Young, Brodie ((by hand)) Brayshaw, Fyfe sometimes and you want combinations who work the roles well.
Serong is brilliant at getting first hands & quick release & can break away but who compliments him best.
Brayshaw is brilliant defensively, has good vision & is strong in the tackle and has said his intention this year is to hurt the opposition more offensively, particularly around goals.
They all have attributes (haven’t even touched on MJ, Ras, Jacko but it’s the synergy of combinations & when to rotate them that’s the secret sauce.
Aish kicking out also excites me too. Could be a Duffield type. Ryan got the yips last year. I can’t count the times he had a free man leading to the corridor but lost his confidence to take the kick on first instinct. Should have had it taken off him much earlier in the year.
My interpretation of inside midfield aligns with those who define it as a specialist role within the midfield group. It’s the player trying to get first hands on it. The 2nd in line blocks & gets the release or allows the 3rd in line to break from the contest.
You want a combination of fast hands (Serong, Brayshaw, Brodie) , brute strength (Fyfe, Young, Brodie) and good vision/disposal (Young, Brodie ((by hand)) Brayshaw, Fyfe sometimes and you want combinations who work the roles well.
Serong is brilliant at getting first hands & quick release & can break away but who compliments him best.
Brayshaw is brilliant defensively, has good vision & is strong in the tackle and has said his intention this year is to hurt the opposition more offensively, particularly around goals.
They all have attributes (haven’t even touched on MJ, Ras, Jacko but it’s the synergy of combinations & when to rotate them that’s the secret sauce.
Aish kicking out also excites me too. Could be a Duffield type. Ryan got the yips last year. I can’t count the times he had a free man leading to the corridor but lost his confidence to take the kick on first instinct. Should have had it taken off him much earlier in the year.
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Bit late to this conversation but a couple of points.
Baeshaw is certainly an elite mid he is just a poor centre bounce mid.
Fyfe is fyfe but has the huge question marks hanging over his durability when the real stuff starts.
Our best season in the last decade was with Brodie playing ~70% of the game in the guts.
This team is very very young and realistically next year Fyfe could be retired and you only have 3-4 genuine clearance mids on the list with Brodie fitting the age profile perfectly.
We were way too reliant on C.Serong for clean clearances last year.
I agree it's hard to fit him in but I think it's better for this team long term and maybe short term to at least try, and I think even if we can't this year we've gotta keep him around.
It's not a Sturt level of unrealistic love I think it's a lot more justified.
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I would love to trial a rotation of Fyfe/Brodie where they play 2 quarters each and the other is a sub. It could potentially work really well because Fyfe's body would last longer on limited minutes and Brodie doesn't have to run out a full game which he struggles to do. The coach has his favourites though and Brodie definitely isn't one of them (similar to the problem Brodie had at GC lol).
Less about Brodie for me and more about exposed skillset. If Brodie can't reproduce 2022 form then move on, hopefully we unearth someone who can. It definitely can be transformative and help us take advantage of superior rucking supply.
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If we want a few more years of Fyfe imo he should not be playing all 4 quarters. Rotating Fyfe as the sub with Brodie solves multiple issues:
1. Extends Fyfe's playing career
2. Fixes the issue of Brodie not being able to run out a full game
3. Allows us to have two midfield bulls at all times (Young + one of Fyfe/Brodie)
4. Allows our other mids (AB, Serong, Johnson) to get off the leash and do damage
Having two midfield bulls is a proven strategy that Collingwood, Melbourne and Brisbane follow. It allows their classy players to get off the leash and do damage. If we didn't have Brodie in 2022 you can be sure as hell AB wouldn't have a career best season because they would get bullied. Realistically, this type of strategy would only be possible if Brodie is good enough and earns his spot which I'm sure you can appreciate is fair enough.
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I like Brodie, but opposition teams had worked him out by the end of the 2022 season & took away his 1 wood.
The final v Collingwood they chopped off his handball out of the stoppage & he didn’t have much more going for him.
As he was the main distributor at the time they could focus on him, perhaps with others in the team who are capable it might allow him some more freedom, but he needs to improve in other areas to contribute more.
The final v Collingwood they chopped off his handball out of the stoppage & he didn’t have much more going for him.
As he was the main distributor at the time they could focus on him, perhaps with others in the team who are capable it might allow him some more freedom, but he needs to improve in other areas to contribute more.
Could be he’s Fyfe’s backup for short breaks, games at marvel etc.? Agree, his handballs to open up play from seemingly impossible situations are a thing of beauty.
The big question for me is O’Meara…
Joao’s other comment about playing wing and not seeing the ball for long stints during a game is very valid. I’ve played a fair bit of wing and it happens a lot (ie game gets played down one side of the ground). Impacted Sharp last year at GC VFL. We don’t need our best two way running midfielder not seeing the ball for a quarter.
The question still remains where we fit them all in. I don’t believe Brayshaw to wing is the answer. Fyfe playing forward when resting. Young pushing out to the wing at times perhaps. Brayshaw to half forward at times and Brodie on and off the bench.
Brodie can adapt and change though. Develop more weapons. Sure opposition's brain trust will try to negate strengths. It's a perennial issue in top tier competitions. You can never test on your laurels.
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