Training Preseason Training Thread - 2024/25

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That icky feeling you get when Kane Cornes has a point

But it’s Andrew Russell (former high performance manager at Carlton and Hawthorn) talking at the end about the impact of the Christmas break that’s of most interest

Kane often has a valid point these days. He still has his outlandish attention seeking takes but now he is very well known, I think he has wound back on the click bait stuff a bit in the past 12 months and started putting together some pretty good arguments on various subjects.
Sure, he is still a knob, but I don't mind is commentary lately, often hits on some good points. This being one of them.
 

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They were only happy to see graham go because they thought theyd get an end of 1st rounder or start of 2nd rounder for him lmao.
Negative. Most wanted him gone as he's just good enough to get a game every week without making a big difference in performance, and we'd prefer to give that game to a kid given the position we're in. I can't recall one Richmond poster saying they'd rather have kept him when the compensation was announced. His biggest assets for you guys will be leadership, standards, effort etc. Can't fault any of those attributes of his and sometimes blokes just need a change of environment.

Baker on the other hand I'm still gutted he left but I'm pleased to see you're playing him off half back, it's easily his best position. Hopefully the injury isn't too bad.
 
Would be interesting to see the numbers with regards to injuries during pre-christmas training compared to the post.
Also the types of injuries in each training block.
When you think about it, it is crazy they do a big block of training to get their bodies and fitness levels up then have a 3 week break, come back and pretty much start again. Staggering even.
During that 3 week Christmas break it is pretty much on the individual players to try keep themselves in top shape and we all know everyone is built different both in body and mind.
 
His biggest assets for you guys will be leadership, standards, effort etc.
I think this gets underrated around here, especially with such a young group (and a few minor issues already this off-season, not the least Harley showing up unfit). Graham is no superstar but he cracks in and will hopefully show a bit more leadership than some of our senior blokes have in recent years
 
Negative. Most wanted him gone as he's just good enough to get a game every week without making a big difference in performance, and we'd prefer to give that game to a kid given the position we're in. I can't recall one Richmond poster saying they'd rather have kept him when the compensation was announced. His biggest assets for you guys will be leadership, standards, effort etc. Can't fault any of those attributes of his and sometimes blokes just need a change of environment.

Baker on the other hand I'm still gutted he left but I'm pleased to see you're playing him off half back, it's easily his best position. Hopefully the injury isn't too bad.

What, you guys are so advanced that you can’t find room in your team to play a kid? Oozing with leadership, are you? Please.

Let’s see how you feel when you get a shitty performance after a shitty performance where opposition run doughnuts around young players week after week. We know what it’s like! Don’t think you just drafted 3x Gary abblets either. For your sake hope that Taranto and hopper play every game, otherwise shlackings are going to be epic.

For me graham personally would have been better off at a contending club filling in a specific role. But if he can come in and take the hits for a couple of years until young players develop, that’s a win.
 
I think this gets underrated around here, especially with such a young group (and a few minor issues already this off-season, not the least Harley showing up unfit). Graham is no superstar but he cracks in and will hopefully show a bit more leadership than some of our senior blokes have in recent years
Yeah. It’s because it’s impossible as punters to see that impact while watching the footy. We see kicking skills, foot speed, overhead marking ability, propensity to slip over. But we have no idea what other intangible impacts players have.

And I guess we tend to be skeptical of claims of mediocre players having these other invisible benefits, because of years of the same cliched statements about standards etc from players/coaches. And Brant Colledge of course
 
What, you guys are so advanced that you can’t find room in your team to play a kid? Oozing with leadership, are you? Please.

Let’s see how you feel when you get a shitty performance after a shitty performance where opposition run doughnuts around young players week after week. We know what it’s like! Don’t think you just drafted 3x Gary abblets either. For your sake hope that Taranto and hopper play every game, otherwise shlackings are going to be epic.

For me graham personally would have been better off at a contending club filling in a specific role. But if he can come in and take the hits for a couple of years until young players develop, that’s a win.
I didn't say that, no. I said that he'd be taking the spot of a kid. If he was going to play midfield, he's not playing ahead of Prestia, Hopper or Taranto and I'd sure as shit rather we got games into a Smillie/Sonsie/McAuliffe/Ross, one of whom may not have otherwise played if Graham did. If he was going to play HF I'd much rather play Lalor and Seth Campbell every week. We're okay for leaders, and the difference is he can impart facets of our dynasty culture (of which he was a big part of) to your club, we already have guys that can do that....

We had shitty performance after shitty performance last year, with JG in the side. This is a major reason why so many of us were happy for him to leave, so the major rebuild can begin.

Agree with the 3rd para, he'd just ran his race @ RFC IMO.

I wasn't having a dig at your club :thumbsu:
 

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Jack Graham leaving Richmond to join us is not dissimilar to Jack Darling leaving us to join North

Both players had arguably outlived their usefulness at their existing clubs but fill a void at their new club

Graham will help with training standards and is in an age group we’re skinny in that bridges the gap between our plus 30’s who are on their way out and the young draftees that have come to the club from the 2021 draft onwards. On field he gives us a defensively minded midfielder that we don’t really have who has a strong body that can help physically protect our younger mids at the coalface

Unlike the case at Richmond, he isn’t taking the place of a younger mid to the same extent. If the likes of Hall, Allan and Gross can come on in the next couple of years that might change but by then we may well have got our ROI from Graham who can then drop back and help the WAFL side in the last year or two of his contract
 
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Jack Graham leaving Richmond to join us is not dissimilar to Jack Darling leaving us to join North

Both players had arguably outlived their usefulness at their existing clubs but fill a void at their new club

Graham will help with training standards and is in an age group we’re skinny in that bridges the gap between our plus 30’s who are on their way out and the young draftees that have come to the club from the 2021 draft onwards. On field he gives us a defensively minded midfielder that we don’t really have who has a strong body that can help physically protect our younger mids at the coalface

Unlike the case at Richmond, he isn’t taking the place of a younger mid to the same extent. If the likes of Hall, Allan and Gross can come on in the next couple of years that might change but by then we may well have got our ROI from Graham who can then drop back and help the WAFL side in the last year or two of his contract
First and foremost we got Graham without much competition because Richmond are fully embracing the tank. That's why they exited a heap of premiership players (Rioli, Baker, Bolton), they want to be bad, and they wanted as many picks as possible.

Expect to see them have the worst year since GWS inaugural.
 
First and foremost we got Graham without much competition because Richmond are fully embracing the tank. That's why they exited a heap of premiership players (Rioli, Baker, Bolton), they want to be bad, and they wanted as many picks as possible.

Expect to see them have the worst year since GWS inaugural.
The old, Clayton's Tanking.
 
Jack Graham leaving Richmond to join us is not dissimilar to Jack Darling leaving us to join North

Both players had arguably outlived their usefulness at their existing clubs but fill a void at their new club

Graham will help with training standards and is in an age group we’re skinny in that bridges the gap between our plus 30’s who are on their way out and the young draftees that have come to the club from the 2021 draft onwards. On field he gives us a defensively minded midfielder that we don’t really have who has a strong body that can help physically protect our younger mids at the coalface

Unlike the case at Richmond, he isn’t taking the place of a younger mid to the same extent. If the likes of Hall, Allan and Gross can come on in the next couple of years that might change but by then we may well have got our ROI from Graham who can then drop back and help the WAFL side in the last year or two of his contract
totally agree with all your comments.
Better than any of the players that left in 2024, better than Sheed, Petch, Jamieson and some others currently on the list and as you say in need of a decent reliable mid who is AFL ready to protect our next gen players while they develop.
He also lifts the bottom of our list which can't be underestimated, like Baker and Owies do.
 
If you had asked me that 3 years ago I would have agreed. The fact that he hasn't really improved over the last 2 years is a massive red flag.
There's no such thing as a draft steal at pick #46😂 Every recruiter in the country passed on him more than once for a reason.

Was James Hird a steal at 79?

Waterman at 70 odd?

Lockie Neale and Zorko at 58?
 
First and foremost we got Graham without much competition because Richmond are fully embracing the tank. That's why they exited a heap of premiership players (Rioli, Baker, Bolton), they want to be bad, and they wanted as many picks as possible.

Expect to see them have the worst year since GWS inaugural.
Yet signed Balta for a long term deal when they could’ve probably got pick 2 for him?

Would’ve signed Baker to a big deal and offered Graham 4 years.
 
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