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[fugu]

Well said.

 

[J0NNY B]

A few positives and a few negatives to come from this ego vs ego debacle. At least Newbold knows he has the support of the board and the members, which can only give him confidence to implement his plan as detailed on his presidency letter.
A negative, Kennet in my opinion has acted as poorly as Geoff Lord. Initially his dismissal and road blocking of GL prompted Lord to run. A better alternative would have been welcome GL's interest, thank him, politely decline an invite onto the board, but welcome a challenge if the reason for running was legit ( why will both camps not indicate the real
reason GL challenged??). Instead of bagging GL in the media, if Kennett really thought the money and time expended was worth
something, the reimbursement should have been negotiated behind closed doors.
I think Kennett has been fantastic for the hawks membership increase among other things, and I think another 3 years of JK would
have been good for the Hawks. But we have seen the good and the bad from him recently. He should know better never to put pen to paper in anger. As good as I think he is, he can be just as bad. His letter is manipulative and the sole intention was to attack GL (if this was required JK should do it behind closed doors). If $50000 was so important, thanks Jeff, what a way to go about getting it back.
On a side note, if mail outs are so expensive, can the administration be notified so that I stop getting my weekly letter from hfc? Must be costing them a fortune!!

 

[LiveToSki]

... ( why will both camps not indicate the real
reason GL challenged??)....

What was the real reason??? Sounds like you know - why dont you tell us?

 

[Goldnbrown]

What is your damage, dude? Brown Blood's earlier points still stand. In fact, he's pretty much the ongoing voice of logic here and it stuns me that people can't understand his comments, even when he breaks them down to primary school level.

Once again, people should stick to the facts. Kennett's memo is, as usual, filled with distorted information. The cost of the election is actually undeclared, and would certainly not be anywhere near the $50,000 of a full election. 90% of votes haven't even been returned and wont now require return postage. This would be a saving of at least $20k, not to mention all the other administrative procedures that now wont take place. The cost of the process is the cost of the process and I would bet that HFC is budgeting for an election every 3 years anyway.

Curiously, had newbold lost, would people be asking him to cover the cost? Not in the slightest.

As an after-thought: I find it sad that this election has been about one man: Kennett. He spoke over Newbold repeatedly, dominated the campaign with baseless character assassinations of anyone who disagreed or voiced an alternative, misused the HFC website for his own ambitions, and made a whole range of alleged and unchecked assertions that the astute minds here at BigFooty lapped up without question.

I will happily repeat earlier statements that I am glad he's gone.
And if you cant see how Kennett's behaviour has disgraced himself, then you're part of the problem.

With all due respect you tell people to stick to the facts and then present a whole lot of made up suppositions as 'facts'

So you supported the board challenge because you dislike JK? You have decided that his statements we untrue and baseless???

 

[Goldnbrown]

And I still am a supporter of board accountability, democracy and correct process which has been followed here.

The only issue with lord standing was the quality of the candidate which can be easily remedied by tightening up the requirements for a candidate to stand (and I am thinking more about number of members required to nominate not $$ required to put up).

So as a result I don't think the money has been wasted as all - if he wasn't allowed to stand the alternative would have been a far worse.

So you think 50k was money well spent? So a candidate who had zero chance of winning and could so easily have withdrawn before the money was spent on ballots etc. Could get his name in the papers all in the cause of democracy WTF

How has what occurred added any value whatsoever??

 

[Easy Slips Catch]

.......How has what occurred added any value whatsoever??

It has come at a cost of democracy. At some stage our board will run off the rails, like most boards do. Events like this just enforce the mindset that the board is unassailable.

IF someone had come up with a viable business case to walk away from Tassie, I would have voted for them. Instead we got some half rrsed effort that seemed to be based on them not liking JK.

 

[Bayer_]

The cost of the election is actually undeclared, and would certainly not be anywhere near the $50,000 of a full election.

56,000 people each received a voting slip - there's $30k in postage right there. The same number of ballot papers and letters to members had to be written. That's got to be at least another $10k. Computershare organised it all, and would need to be paid the bulk of their fee. I can't see them coming away from it with less than $10k for their troubles. There's your $50k. Most of the cost was sunk long ago.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

I will happily repeat earlier statements that I am glad he's gone.
And if you cant see how Kennett's behaviour has disgraced himself, then you're part of the problem.

There's a problem?

 

[Brown Blood]

So you think 50k was money well spent?

I didn't post the money was well spent - I posted:

So as a result I don't think the money has been wasted as all - if he wasn't allowed to stand the alternative would have been a far worse.

Quite a different thing.

 

[Goldnbrown]

I didn't post the money was well spent - I posted:



Quite a different thing.

BB you are trying to divert from the point by using semantics and in doing so conveniently didn't answer the question. Nice try want to answer now?

 

[Brown Blood]

BB you are trying to divert from the point by using semantics and in doing so conveniently didn't answer the question. Nice try want to answer now?

If you insist.

You think you are being smart because all you see is the cost which is quite simplistic & so harp on that but you are ignoring what actually happened here.

Firstly you should recognise there is a difference between totally wasted cost and necessarily incurred cost.

You may say that is semantics but the club had no choice but to hold an election especially when a life-member wanted to stand & was nominated as per the requirements of the clubs constitution.

And as a result the club, although the board becoming far too involved, held the election and the candidate pulled out, understanding he would lose before the full vote was completed.

So the end result is the club stuck to the proper process as described by the constitution and the new president elect now knows he hasn't been appointed by a board but has now been effectively elected by the members.

And members of the club, for the first time in over 15 years can understand that they have had some say in the appointment of the most important member of the board.

I would think as a result the members are happier as is newbold.

So as I posted the money mightn't have been well spent - but it wasn't wasted.

 

[Goldnbrown]

If you insist.

You think you are being smart because all you see is the cost which is quite simplistic & so harp on that but you are ignoring what actually happened here.

Firstly you should recognise there is a difference between totally wasted cost and necessarily incurred cost.

You may say that is semantics but the club had no choice but to hold an election especially when a life-member wanted to stand & was nominated as per the requirements of the clubs constitution.

And as a result the club, although the board becoming far too involved, held the election and the candidate pulled out, understanding he would lose before the full vote was completed.

So the end result is the club stuck to the proper process as described by the constitution and the new president elect now knows he hasn't been appointed by a board but has now been effectively elected by the members.

And members of the club, for the first time in over 15 years can understand that they have had some say in the appointment of the most important member of the board.

I would think as a result the members are happier as is newbold.

So as I posted the money mightn't have been well spent - but it wasn't wasted.

I am fairly confident in saying that I believe that your reading of how the members feel is way off base. I like a huge proportion of the members do not think that we have had any say in electing the president , a needless challenge by a candidate that had his time in the 90's added zero value.

I repeat if the board was not doing a good job there would be real challenges and probably change.

You seem to think that the members are a bunch of lemmings blindly following the board who run a secret cabal... I am really curious as to what you do fir a living, would you pm me?

 

[Brown Blood]

I am fairly confident in saying that I believe that your reading of how the members feel is way off base. I like a huge proportion of the members do not think that we have had any say in electing the president , a needless challenge by a candidate that had his time in the 90's added zero value.

I repeat if the board was not doing a good job there would be real challenges and probably change.

You seem to think that the members are a bunch of lemmings blindly following the board who run a secret cabal... I am really curious as to what you do fir a living, would you pm me?

You previously asked me to explain my previous post which I took some time to do.

Perhaps you should try reading it again - clearly either you haven't read it or you don't fully understand it.

As for what do I do for a living............ .