Game Day Preview - Round 8 - Collingwood v Sydney MCG Sunday 7 May 3.20pm

[Apex36]

Beau wants to be a midfielder. And the fact his numbers are rising, I can see it in a couple years. I didn't think this last year, but the fact he is able to find the ball a lot more now, I'm starting to change my mind

In that case I hope Titch takes him under his wing. An inside wrecking ball in the midfield to take over from him and Adams is just what we need.

 

[neilk]

He was about 6'2" wide as well.

And around each thigh.

 

[nahnah]

In: Pendles, Cox
Out: Kelly, Kreuger
Sub: Markov

 

[unplugged]

Beau wants to be a midfielder. And the fact his numbers are rising, I can see it in a couple years. I didn't think this last year, but the fact he is able to find the ball a lot more now, I'm starting to change my mind

Looks every bit of a mid to me. Got some Dusty about him.

 

[Apex36]

In: Pendles, Cox
Out: Kelly, Kreuger
Sub: Markov

Kelly was the sub so you need another out.

 

[nahnah]

Kelly was the sub so you need another out.

its Markov who is now sub

 

[Finnishpie]

He's getting more of the ball than Hill in the last couple of weeks.

He's also having more score involvements, kicked more goals and had the same amount of tackles.

He also had a good last quarter on Sunday and contributed to our win.

Furthermore, he had 12 possessions on Anzac Day and kicked 2.2 (all of one week ago).

How many possessions to you expect a deep forward pocket to get? 10 to 12 would be about the normal league wide.

I was hoping he'd get a few more on the weekend (was 10 I think) and have a bit more impact. I was replying to those who were criticising him for not having enough tackles, so my point was really he's more about goals, assists and smart decisions and, say, Beau is more about tackles. Both are still decent at the other though. Anzac day was better than this week, and the week before it, when he was a touch too quiet. Maybe I'm judging him too harshly considering his year last year.

 

[LuckyLee]

What he adds is brains that is what you do not seem to understand, the only players who read the play better are Pendles and Daicos and we know where they stand in the scheme of things.

What is this crap about milking free,s for every one he milked in your eyes they missed 3 he should have received anyway,Kirby is right he does not deserved to be dropped, they wanted him lift in final qtr and he did.

Can you participate in a calm debate of ideas without needing to make it personal?

Ginni absolutely and consciously milked frees. He saw it as a skill and was even filmed at training teaching it to teammates. Then the league decided it was a bad look and preferred to see Ginni nearly have his head ripped off. At that point, his tally of frees dried up and frequency of goals declined. It’s not a criticism. It’s fact. He was the catalyst for and victim of a rules change. And since then, his impact has been more limited. That’s just the reality.

Nobody can deny that Ginni is slow. Or that he is a poor tackler.

By comparison:

* Hill is lightning fast, an aggressive tackler and beautiful deliverer of the ball inside F50.

* McCreery is also very fast, applies huge pressure to keep the ball inside F50 and physically intimidates opponents.

* Elliott is agile, great on the lead, a proven match-winner and strong tackler.

I personally think Ginni addresses fewer Team needs than the trio above and don’t believe that we will continue to play all four of them together. Unless he notably lifts his shots at goal stats, I expect the debut of Allan and return of Lipinski to push Ginni out of the side - even if that suggestion offends you.


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[Timmy from Thomastown]

Kelly was the sub so you need another out.

He named markov as sub so he’s the out

 

[Apex36]

its Markov who is now sub

Oh ok I get it. My brain isn’t working tonight.

 

[Swooper18]

Hope you're right.

I think they're a quality side in middling form, but I've been wrong many a time. In 2003 when we beat Brissie at the G in the semi I told my bros "one hand on the cup". #mozz

We won the qualifying final and had the week off in 2003. Very inattentive form.

 

[Lockyer24]

Ginni needs to work on his quick gives, perhaps even spend some time in the midfield training group during the week.

Holding on to the ball and going to ground isn’t gunna fly anymore. He has to get sharp and decisive when he’s under the pump, as yes he is not quick.

I think he can definitely start to get more set shot looks though when we have a full team back in and dictate the middle.

 

[Bogsey]

SP10 has to be a certainty. I think we lacked his leadership in Adelaide.
Possibility for Krueger missing, I would like to see them try Steene for a game. Give him a taste before we get more recognised ruckmen back.

 

[Aussie pie]

So listening to Coxy on his podcast he sounds as though his fitness is ok, apparently he’s been put through the wringer and the fitness is up to standard so it’s just his ability to tolerate contact, sounds promising for a return this week. If he’s right he’ll be absolutely chomping at the bit to get out there, he’s a competitive beast. He’ll always give 100% and never stop talking crap on the field.

 

[Aussie pie]

Cox will play if fit. No point him playing VFL when we don’t have a Ruck. Team structure is important and why during this period we’ve won but not convincingly, our structure is compromised having AJ play ruck, Billy out of the back line. 50% game time for Cox makes a huge difference to this result.
Without him we scrape in a low scoring win that looks ugly. With him we win a little more comfortably, with a few more goals from our set forwards. We won’t have to play WHE as a “tall” forward because others have to ruck.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

Why Franklin played on this year is beyond me. Or why they let him play on, to be truthful. He makes their team worse.

If Buddy has one last great game in him , you do know when it will be don't you?

 

[KillerMagpies]

Play Cox.
Johnno helps him.
Frampton plays on McDonald at FB.
Moore goes to Buddy and gives him a complete fisting as he repeatedly drills the ball through the guts.
And, we give the Swans a nice touch up.

… ps… hide Adams on the bench….

 

[MooreDaicos]

who ever said size was important

Said, every girl

 

[Ginnieboy]

In: Pendles, Cox
Out: Kelly, Kreuger
Sub: Markov

I’d make Cox come back through the VFL, he hasn’t even been running for long so he won’t be anywhere near 100%, I’d give Kelly a shot, he’s done some nice things the 2 weeks and deserves a full game, Freddy Sub.

 

[magpies42]

Beware the wounded swan. We owe them, and I expect our boys to get up.

 

[BEEG]

Swans don't really have big forwards to stretch us, we can probably get away with Frampton in the ruck again.

Moore to McDonald
Maynard/Murphy to Buddy
IQ to Papley

 

[Lings of Geelong]

Pendlebury for Markov
Cox for Kreuger

Markov the sub.

Down to 4 best 22 missing - Cameron, McStay, Lipinski, Howe

Currently being replaced by Cox, Ginnivan, Hoskin-Elliott, Frampton

 

[No SPIN]

Ginnivan's quick play on (his natural game) to Ash johnson swung the game.
I thought Hill was indecisive at least 4 times in the game which cost shots on goal.
He hand passed to Mihocek in a bad possie under pressure when he should have run straight at goal and slotted it.
That's not a knock on Hill either.
It was that sort of game.

Ginnivan may play ruck yet the luck we are having, so don't going writing anyone off right now.

Agree - Hills decision making under pressure has been a concern over the last 2 games.
Ginnivan clearly far better in this regard.

 

[No SPIN]

he had equal most for Collingwood. But several crows had more, it’s not just about score involvements either. He laid 1 tackle where as Elliot had 6 and 3 score involvements (hill 0 tackles). In my opinion atm Elliot and Hill Both ahead of Ginni, if one needs to drop out. Of course things can change.

Just remind me, which of these Crows players ( with better score involvements) are available to replace Ginnivan this week?

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Beware the wounded swan. We owe them, and I expect our boys to get up.