Primus - how is the gloss looking

[*PAF]

Correct.

Still, Primus lost the game in the 1st quarter and bar that won the game. He isn't a bad coach, he's still learning as well. I'm personally happy with our year so far and people should give Primus some credit.

I think the calls for manning up O'brien are over the top - clearly the coaches could see him. I posted earlier our I50 delivery was shocking and this was the main reason we lost.

Many of our inside 50s are still going to the spots that Tredrea would have run to. Is it the KPPs not running to the right spot or is it the midfielders kicking it on instincts using team rules from days gone by.
Whichever it is it needs to be fixed up as there are times one has to kick it blindly and that is where team rules come into play.

 

[Janus]

Many of our inside 50s are still going to the spots that Tredrea would have run to. Is it the KPPs not running to the right spot or is it the midfielders kicking it on instincts using team rules from days gone by.
Whichever it is it needs to be fixed up as there are times one has to kick it blindly and that is where team rules come into play.

This comes from trust - belief that if you kick it under pressure, on instinct, that your teammate will be there. The players had that faith in Tredrea. They don't have it with anyone else at the moment. And that comes from how shocking we were last year.

The forwards just need to keep presenting where they want it, and the mids will eventually respond. Especially if they nail the goals when it matters.

 

[Powerade 08]

Many of our inside 50s are still going to the spots that Tredrea would have run to. Is it the KPPs not running to the right spot or is it the midfielders kicking it on instincts using team rules from days gone by.
Whichever it is it needs to be fixed up as there are times one has to kick it blindly and that is where team rules come into play.

Westhoff and Stewart don't lead and when they do lead they don't lead hard enough. They are also poor defensively compared to Butcher and Schulz.

We are trying to reinvent the wheel with this quadrangle of doom stuff and it isn't gonna work because:

1. They don't all put in the required effort, and

2. Butcher and Stewart are still finding their feet in the AFL.

We are gonna have to shelve it for now and drop one of our talls.

 

[PJ Power]

Westhoff and Stewart don't lead and when they do lead they don't lead hard enough. They are also poor defensively compared to Butcher and Schulz.

We are trying to reinvent the wheel with this quadrangle of doom stuff and it isn't gonna work because:

1. They don't all put in the required effort, and

2. Butcher and Stewart are still finding their feet in the AFL.

We are gonna have to shelve it for now and drop one of our talls.

Agree. I also want us to try the two ruckmen set-up for a couple of games and use at least big Red up forward.

Daniel Stewart just misses out, although you could make a case for Westhoff or Butcher, also.

Want to see Butcher persevered with for a couple more weeks though to see if he can snap into some marking form.

 

[DonDraper]

Butch cops a lot of attention for someone who has played such few games.

Primus is on On the Couch on Monday night, should be interesting viewing

 

[*PAF]

This comes from trust - belief that if you kick it under pressure, on instinct, that your teammate will be there. The players had that faith in Tredrea. They don't have it with anyone else at the moment. And that comes from how shocking we were last year.
...

No it doesn't. It comes from practicing, practicing and then practicing some more.

... The forwards just need to keep presenting where they want it, and the mids will eventually respond. Especially if they nail the goals when it matters.

There are times when they need to present to where they want the ball and then there are times when they need get to the goto spot as quickly as possible.
How do they know when to do what? That too comes from practicing plus the ability to read the game.

 

[b0ydman]

Butch cops a lot of attention for someone who has played such few games.

Primus is on On the Couch on Monday night, should be interesting viewing

ive heard people saying butcher should be sent to the 2s-

but i dont understand why they would think butcher only get a few games - how does that help his development? surly we'd leave him there for the year?

i hope the tv clowns expose Primus for his being slower than queen mary

+33

 

[oporto]

Agree. I also want us to try the two ruckmen set-up for a couple of games and use at least big Red up forward.

Daniel Stewart just misses out, although you could make a case for Westhoff or Butcher, also.

Want to see Butcher persevered with for a couple more weeks though to see if he can snap into some marking form.

the strategic point i'd like to know is port adelaide is playing a defensive game plan in 2012, where we attempt to put on a forward press and play along the boundary lines. if this is the game plan, why are we playing 4 talls forward knowing if the ball comes to ground there's nobody around the contest capable of locking it in and putting pressure around the contest?

if you're going to play a particular game plan, it makes sense to play a team to enact that game plan. right now, port adelaide is playing a structure forward of centre that does not help the game plan

 

[_Christoh_]

Agree. I also want us to try the two ruckmen set-up for a couple of games and use at least big Red up forward.

Daniel Stewart just misses out, although you could make a case for Westhoff or Butcher, also.

Want to see Butcher persevered with for a couple more weeks though to see if he can snap into some marking form.

I agree, stick with the talls but with 2 dedicated ruckmen. I think D. Stewarts game is suffering at the moment because he is having to play forward and in ruck, if he were able to settle as just playing as a forward we might see better results as his workrate seems to be there early on but he just cant maintain it playing both roles.

Westhoff just seems to be in no mans land at the moment, he is still doing some good things but we just dont use him well. He needs to be used to create mismatches and expose smaller opposition players who match up on him. Get the mismatch we like then isolate him across half forward as a go to man. If a tall then matches up on him then get Westhoff to draw that tall defender up field to hopefully create another mismatch with one of our other talls.

If we do play 2 ruckmen then it comes down to either Butcher or D. Stewart to make way for a ruck combo of Redden and Renouf. I'd prefer to keep Butcher in but D. Stewart has been pulling in more marks this year so its a tough call.

 

[S.Patrol.G]

I don't think the mistake was leaving O'Brien to be loose. Instead it was not working out a way to make a more damaging player our loose man.

 

[elsler]

I don't think the mistake was leaving O'Brien to be loose. Instead it was not working out a way to make a more damaging player our loose man.

Thats a good point if we had D-Rod playing and made him the loose man on the wing do you think they would have left him alone our mistake was not getting a more dangerous player as the loose man

 

[Jonts]

Thats a good point if we had Rodan playing and made him the loose man on the wing do you think they would have left him alone our mistake was not getting a more dangerous player as the loose man

Same thing could've applied with subbing Wingard on and putting him there

 

[elsler]

agreed i doubt they would have left wingard on his own for long

 

[Jonts]

agreed i doubt they would have left wingard on his own for long

Still, better than what we ended up doing

 

[Malibu#27]

I don't think the mistake was leaving O'Brien to be loose. Instead it was not working out a way to make a more damaging player our loose man.

Was interested watching yesterdays game to hear the commentators talking about Essendon being happy to leave O'Brien loose in defence (as well). They mentioned Essendon being more interested having the extra man around the ball.

It possibly shows that it was the execution/specific of the situation overall that cost us, not Harry in isolation.

Ie - we could afford to leave him loose if we were more damaging with our spare man, or we were smarter in our forward entry to avoid kicking to him. (He cant cover the entire back half).

 

[Honeyboy Wilson]

Was interested watching yesterdays game to hear the commentators talking about Essendon being happy to leave O'Brien loose in defence (as well). They mentioned Essendon being more interested having the extra man around the ball.

It possibly shows that it was the execution/specific of the situation overall that cost us, not Harry in isolation.

Ie - we could afford to leave him loose if we were more damaging with our spare man, or we were smarter in our forward entry to avoid kicking to him. (He cant cover the entire back half).

DING DING DING DING DING!

Seriously... we have a 'Quadrangle of Doom' while they have Reid and Tarrant missing. What do we do? Handball it around the 50m mark and either bomb it to the 2 on 1 every single time, or turn it over on the 50m line. It was one of the worst things to watch ever.

It was basically like the instruction to the players was:

Alright, don't get it in quick whatever you do. Make sure Collingwood are able to set up their defensive structures exactly how they want to and do NOT, I repeat do NOT let our forwards get a good lead. Dance around the 50m until we completely lose our structures and THEN kick it to Harry O'Brien.

 

[FishingRick04]

If we lose the next 2 games, what should be Primus's strategy from there on?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Keep picking the best side he can and try to win as many games as possible. There's nothing else to do.

If he changes strategy for the season after 6 rounds he then undermines himself as a leader. He might as well hand his papers in if he concedes this early.

 

[FishingRick04]

There isn't a floury of youth pushing the door down to be selected either is there.

We need these boys to stand up. I do think Newton is going to make a charge. Young is pushing, next is Moore and Mitch

 

[Schulzenfest]

I don't understand why Mitch ever fell out of the best 22 in the first place. He'd be my first choice forward crumber even if age is taken totally out of the equation.

 

[FishingRick04]

I don't understand why Mitch ever fell out of the best 22 in the first place. He'd be my first choice forward crumber even if age is taken totally out of the equation.

I don't either. The old defensive side of his game continually gets rolled out!

 

[Natman]

I don't either. The old defensive side of his game continually gets rolled out!

Why dismiss it if it is a real issue with the coaches and selectors. That's their job. Banner's job is to fix it - if he is able and willing to do so.

 

[FishingRick04]

Why dismiss it if it is a real issue with the coaches and selectors. That's their job. Banner's job is to fix it - if he is able and willing to do so.

I've never noticed it as a glaring flaw of his game

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

ive heard people saying butcher should be sent to the 2s-

but i dont understand why they would think butcher only get a few games - how does that help his development? surly we'd leave him there for the year?

i hope the tv clowns expose Primus for his being slower than queen mary

+33

Get the forward set up right, ie if the opposition play X defenders we play X forwards, not X-1 or X-2 forwards and Butcher will do well. Half decent kicks into the forward 50 will also help him. The only reason you let the opposition play an extra defender is when there is a 5+ goal gale and we are kicking with it.

We tried this shit all the time when we had Tredrea. Butcher isn't Tredrea yet.

b0ydman what does the +33 at the end of your post mean?? I first took notice of it when it was +21, and it keeps going up?

 

[Natman]

I've never noticed it as a glaring flaw of his game

As 'casual' or even experienced/intense watchers of our games - we are never able to disect and analyse each player's game with the depth that the coaches and selectors do.

I've been around and watching for decades and I don't profess to being able to do it with accuracy to this day. It's hard because we invariably end up watching the game itself.