Review R14: Port v Geelong Review

[tribey]

^workrate sums it up imo

I don't even know if we know how to spread in numbers, let alone be able to or want to do so for 4 quarters. What I mean is, how many of our backs and on-ballers are too focussed or directed singularly on their man/zone/area/role over the more fluid 'jack of all trades' assignments of the post-modern game?

 

[Peck]

Its just that when we rebound they have players further back... at least as far as I can see.

Often the ball will be won in the defensive half, and there will be a 1 on 3 against us in the forward 50. The problem of course being that our players actually kick it to that one on three, rather than use the handball to carry the ball forward.

I think the major problem our players have is consistent decision making. Namely that there is a plan, Primus has made a plan, two players follow that plan, then the third guy to get the ball ****s it up completely by kicking it too long, or not kicking it fast enough etc. etc.

Of course, there is the workrate of players who don't think they are in the spot that should be kicked to. Say when a player is standing in the space someone else should lead to, and they don't move out of it - creating inertia.

 

[BIG MATTY T]

I would argue our first instinct is to look sideways ...which is a knock on effect from our poor disposal and lack of confidence to hit a target in the corridor ...

Our clearance is pretty good I believe ...

 

[S.Patrol.G]

I think the Geelong game finally confirmed a strategy other teams are using against us. Know ing that we do have marking forwards that can do damage and that we can score once the footy gets inside 50, I think other teams are allowing us an extra around the stoppage-backed up by improving numbers in this area- and playing their extra in their D50 for two reasons. First, to provide a 3rd up in the contest and second because they know our disposal is so poor and we are just as likely to pick out the opposition extra as our own forward.

I'll be watching very carefully for the rest of the season to see if this continues.

 

[The Hobo]

Teams have been playing a loose man a kick behind the play against us for ages now. We win the clearance, move the ball forward, where it get's picked off by their loose man.

When the opposition win the clearance, they also kick backwards to their loose man, who then kicks forward to a free man.

The reason we can't counter attack - we have far too many players that hold the ball too long rather than just playing quickly. A few times we had a break on against the Cats, and either Jacobs or McCarthy or someone else would take an easy mark and then stop and prop and wait and by the time they got the ball forward, Geelong had flooded back.

 

[S.Patrol.G]

Yeah, Jacobs is particularly bad with his slow ball movement. I sometime wonder whether he is planning on having a 120m shot at goal with the speed at which he wanders back from the mark.

 

[PAUR]

I think the Geelong game finally confirmed a strategy other teams are using against us. Know ing that we do have marking forwards that can do damage and that we can score once the footy gets inside 50, I think other teams are allowing us an extra around the stoppage-backed up by improving numbers in this area- and playing their extra in their D50 for two reasons. First, to provide a 3rd up in the contest and second because they know our disposal is so poor and we are just as likely to pick out the opposition extra as our own forward.

I'll be watching very carefully for the rest of the season to see if this continues.

This has been happening all season but I thought it was more that we put our spare man in the midfield rathern than the opposition puts one in the D50.

 

[S.Patrol.G]

This has been happening all season but I thought it was more that we put our spare man in the midfield rathern than the opposition puts one in the D50.

Yep, I'm aware it's been happening all season and the point I was making is that the opposition allows us a spare man in the midfield because even if we win it, we kick the ball straight to their spare. I'd be happy to bet that opposition coaches wouldn't allow us the extra in the midfield if we could spread effectively and hit the side of a barn moving forward.

 

[Northalives]

From a couple of sites you can work out the Inside 50's and conversion. The Pro - Stats site is finally up after being down for most of the year.

Pro Stats don't counted rushed behinds.

2012 Team Rankings Sorted by Inside 50s - after Rd 14 ie 13 games for all teams

1. Ess 198 G 163 B 776 I50 = 361/776 = 46.5% if inc rushed behinds tot = 196 B = 394/776 = 50.8%
2. NM. 206 G 136 B 761 I50 = 342/761 = 44.9% if inc rushed behinds tot = 170 B = 376/761 = 49.4%
3. Haw 209 G 168 B 747 I50 = 377/747 = 50.5% if inc rushed behinds tot = 197B = 406/747 = 54.3%
4. Syd 196 G 113 B 738 I50 = 309/738 = 41.9% if inc rushed behinds tot = 149B = 345/738 = 46.7%
5. WCe 205 G 141 B 728 I50 = 346/728 = 47.5% if inc rushed behinds tot = 184B = 389/728 = 53.4%
....
9. STK 201 G 141 B 697 I50 = 342/697 = 49.1% if inc rushed behinds tot = 167B = 368/697 = 52.8%
....
12. AD 194 G 130 B 665 I50 = 324/665 = 48.7% if inc rushed behinds tot = 160 B = 354/665 = 53.2%
all above teams have kick 1,300 pts for or more

14. PA 147 G 99 B 596 I 50 = 246/596 = 41.3% if inc rushed behinds tot = 133 B = 280/596 = 46.9%

See full ladder @

http://finalsiren.com/AFLLadder.asp

So we haven't been that efficient this year converting I50's as the spin usually goes. We are behind all the 7 teams who have scored 1,300+ pts. We have scored 1,015pts.

Interesting stuff.

Just watching without keeping count, it seemed to me that when we do get the ball inside, we look dangerous but maybe it's because we don't get it in there too often that when we do, I get get overly excited.

Nevertheless, we should be getting it in there more often, hey?

 

[PAUR]

Yep, I'm aware it's been happening all season and the point I was making is that the opposition allows us a spare man in the midfield because even if we win it, we kick the ball straight to their spare. I'd be happy to bet that opposition coaches wouldn't allow us the extra in the midfield if we could spread effectively and hit the side of a barn moving forward.

Agreed.

So is the damage minimisation by our spare mid greater than the lost scoring of the man in the forwardline? Too hard to tell but in my opinions the extra pair of hands has added more value than another forward. Does create frustrating forward entries for sure.

 

[TheFVK]

Agreed.

So is the damage minimisation by our spare mid greater than the lost scoring of the man in the forwardline? Too hard to tell but in my opinions the extra pair of hands has added more value than another forward. Does create frustrating forward entries for sure.

So it begs the question, why do we have so few forward entries per match even with a spare man in the midfield? We seem to go ok when we're man on man, I question how successful this tactic of ours really is..

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

So it begs the question, why do we have so few forward entries per match even with a spare man in the midfield? We seem to go ok when we're man on man, I question how successful this tactic of ours really is..

Because it's the quality of the spare bloke's kicking and decision making ability that is the key. Smart coaches don't let Hartlett be the free man - ie against St Kilda in the last quarter and a bit. Or Pearce get free.

Against Collingwood, Kornes was the free man and Buckley let him go because his kicking ability to hit a target deep inside our 50m is very poor. We played Harry O'Brien back into form as a result.

Opposition coaches probably go "you beauty" when they see McCarthy is the our free man in the mid field.

Could you imagine if Stewie Dew played today - at his 2002 weight not his 2012 weight - and how much damage he would cause if he was free and would reguraly drive the ball 60m deep and quickly into our forward 50? Schulz would kick 100+ goals.

 

[S.Patrol.G]

Because it's the quality of the spare bloke's kicking and decision making ability that is the key. Smart coaches don't let Hartlett be the free man - ie against St Kilda in the last quarter and a bit. Or Pearce get free.

Against Collingwood, Kornes was the free man and Buckley let him go because his kicking ability to hit a target deep inside our 50m is very poor. We played Harry O'Brien back into form as a result.

Opposition coaches probably go "you beauty" when they see McCarthy is the our free man in the mid field.

Could you imagine if Stewie Dew played today - at his 2002 weight not his 2012 weight - and how much damage he would cause if he was free and would reguraly drive the ball 60m deep and quickly into our forward 50? Schulz would kick 100+ goals.

That's my next point. I would be interested in seeing our Inside 30 stats as compared to Inside 50. I have a feeling many of our entries are quite shallow. Probably the result of no genuine CHF or at least players that can play higher up the ground and drop the ball into a barrel from 70-80m out.

Add this to our slow disposal of the HBF which prevents us, so often, stretching a backline and giving our KPF 1v1 opportunities and in effect rendering the spare defender null and void.

 

[The Hobo]

That's my next point. I would be interested in seeing our Inside 30 stats as compared to Inside 50. I have a feeling many of our entries are quite shallow. Probably the result of no genuine CHF or at least players that can play higher up the ground and drop the ball into a barrel from 70-80m out.

Add this to our slow disposal of the HBF which prevents us, so often, stretching a backline and giving our KPF 1v1 opportunities and in effect rendering the spare defender null and void.

agree 100%