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Ok, let’s debate this point.

As good as Kurt Tippet was this year and this is not a sledge against him as he makes me very excited BUT didn’t have a senior guy coming back from injury competing for his spot. Unlike Walker who is competing with a senior guy who was given preferential treatment.

Next year, Brett Burton will have to be injured or dead not to be playing AFL football and even if Taylor Walker has kicked 30 goals in the first 7 or 8 rounds, he will still not be ready.

30 goals over 8 matches is 3.75 per game. If he's averaging over 3 a game, he'll play ahead of Burton if we're forced to choose - I'd bet my life savings on it. If he's in good form, he'll get games, there's no great conspiracy within AFC to keep Taylor off the field.
 
30 goals over 8 matches is 3.75 per game. If he's averaging over 3 a game, he'll play ahead of Burton if we're forced to choose - I'd bet my life savings on it. If he's in good form, he'll get games, there's no great conspiracy within AFC to keep Taylor off the field.

Don’t know the exact figures but didn’t he kick something like that in the last 5 or 6 rounds with Norwood? Maybe not 30 goals but close to 20 in 5 games.

Edit: 29 goals 5 behinds in 7 games to end the season. And that is 4.1 per game.

http://www.sanfl.com.au/league_09/results/

I’m sorry but I cannot predict the future so I don’t know how this will end up but I can judge thing on the past and to me, this may not smell like a conspiracy, but it still doesn’t smell like peaches and cream.

If you seriously believe Brett Burton will play a minor role next year, I have a bridge to sell you.
 
His last two AFL games were stinkers though. He's adjusting to new responsibilities, whilst still developing physically and adapting to his natural game all at once. Nothing to worry about, but nothing to write home about it either. On the available evidence the Hentschel & Burton combo would have given us the best chance at winning a flag. Walker has earned the chance to have a run at it again next year, at least in the 4 pre-season games. If he out-performs B&H in those games, he'll get a spot round 1, simple as that.
 

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If he out-performs B&H in those games, he'll get a spot round 1, simple as that.

And this is Neil Craig out clause.

Sorry for sounding like a broken record but as no one really knows the real reason why he was dropped, no one can safety say the objectives he has to meet before he has outperformed Burton and Hentschel.
 
And this is Neil Craig out clause.

Sorry for sounding like a broken record but as no one really knows the real reason why he was dropped, no one can safety say the objectives he has to meet before he has outperformed Burton and Hentschel.

I'll give you a hint, it looks something like this:

1k, 1h, 0m, 6t, 0.0
or
3k, 1h, 2m, 0t, 0.0
 
I'll give you a hint, it looks something like this:

1k, 1h, 0m, 6t, 0.0
or
3k, 1h, 2m, 0t, 0.0

And i will give you a hint.

Round 10 vs. Hawthorn.

How can he go from that to that in 3 weeks without some outside influence disrupting his preparation and then go onto to kick 29 goals in 7 weeks withour even getting into the emergancies the last 3 weeks?
 
And i will give you a hint.

Round 10 vs. Hawthorn.

How can he go from that to that in 3 weeks without some outside influence disrupting his preparation and then go onto to kick 29 goals in 7 weeks withour even getting into the emergancies the last 3 weeks?

Round 10, great game, but against a side without a decent KPD playing. It earnt him 3 more games after that.

Personally, I don't buy the whole "forward line pressure" line myself, but there are obviously some deficiencies in his game that the coaching panel wanted him to take on board. As I said, his game is adjusting, he is learning and he couldn't handle it all. Not to mention he's still very young for a KPD so his fitness wasn't deemed to be up for more than 70% TOG on average.

As for Burton and Hentschel, if you genuinely don't think that they were contributing more than Walker, then this conversation is over. Burton's appalling SF aside, he was fantastic on return. They were more likely to win us a flag. Simple as that.
 
30 goals over 8 matches is 3.75 per game. If he's averaging over 3 a game, he'll play ahead of Burton if we're forced to choose - I'd bet my life savings on it. If he's in good form, he'll get games, there's no great conspiracy within AFC to keep Taylor off the field.

2008 he was averaging more than that and didnt even get a look in.

Craig's biggest flaw is being far too reactive and not proactive. There have been a number of times when he has waited too long to make a decision, not playing Walker in 08 and Davis this year. 2007 was a mistake where Craig didnt see the writing on the wall at the end of 2006 whereas pretty much everyone else did. McGregor despite getting zero interest from any other club was signed to a 2 year contract even though it was clear he was finished in the first year. It's almost like Craig sometimes needs to see something fall apart in front of him before he realises that something is broke.

This is what worries me that next year will be another 2007 and it will take that before Craig actually realises that it is time to move some players on.
 
Round 10, great game, but against a side without a decent KPD playing. It earnt him 3 more games after that.

Personally, I don't buy the whole "forward line pressure" line myself, but there are obviously some deficiencies in his game that the coaching panel wanted him to take on board. As I said, his game is adjusting, he is learning and he couldn't handle it all. Not to mention he's still very young for a KPD so his fitness wasn't deemed to be up for more than 70% TOG on average.

As for Burton and Hentschel, if you genuinely don't think that they were contributing more than Walker, then this conversation is over. Burton's appalling SF aside, he was fantastic on return. They were more likely to win us a flag. Simple as that.

Same argument we hear all the time, its all about Neil making decisions to win a flag so how many grand finals and how many premierships has Craig given us after 5 1/2 years at the helm ??? None. How many disappointing losses in September have we had in that time ??? Too many to count yet we are apparently on our way to a flag :confused:

There needs to be a dramatic philosophical change to get us to our next flag. I have said it before if Shirley etc stays and we go in with the same 6 30+ year old players next year it wont bring us a flag despite how much people pretend otherwise, we were clearly off the mark with the other grand finalists this year. The drop away next year from that group of 6 will counter balance the growth in our younger group. Sticking to the status quo, playing it safe and taking no chances has netted us the same disappointing results in September 3 wins and 7 losses, that record unfortunately speaks for itself, we simply don't have an extra gear in September and are continually exposed.

The path to a flag lies in bringing though further developing players next year, I have never said to sack everyone, but feel that we can at a maximum afford to have only three 30+ players next year. If we go in with 5 or 6 and spend the year relying on them and playing them every week then I believe that we are making a massive mistake.
 
This is going the same way as the Knights thread. Totally off topic, no solid facts and now it's just Burton vs Walker.
And C98, if you don't know why Walker was dropped, you obviously didn't watch the Round 19 game v Collingwood game. Walker frustrates the hell out of me and reminds me of Fevola. I'm glad Craig dropped him. Yes, he kicks goals, but that's it...and I know that's the point of games - to kick goals (although he didn't kick any against the Pies), but when we're playing against better teams, we need him to go in for second efforts. He doesn't chase, doesn't tackle and if he drops a mark, he just hangs in head and doesn't go after the player who took the ball and ran. Like I said he reminds me of Fevola...last year against Carlton, Fevola kicked the ball into the man on the mark (Truck) and Truck ran off....instead of chasing Truck, Fevola stood there and argued with the umpire. Unfortunately, if Walker wasn't dropped (and he was told what he had to do to get in the team and it wasn't just "kick a bag of goals"), that's the way he'd be going. As Craig said last year when everyone was calling for Walker to be included, did you actually watch him play for Norwood or do you just go by the news and paper who say "WALKER KICKS 6 GOALS"?
Walker was down-right horrible against Collingwood - much worse than Burton in the semi.
What people forget is that Walker is 19 years old. Give him a good pre-season and if he builds up some muscle in the arms, he will be a gun. He seems to get out-muscled when he goes up for marks (saw that a LOT against Collingwood).
Just remember, Burton was about to get dropped for Bock...
And to end off - I think everyone had too high an expectation of Walker this year...they expected him to solve all our forward problems in one season, but he hasn't (although thanks to Tippett & Knights being guns this year, we haven't really needed Walker to solve the problems since Tipp & Knights have.)
 
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