Play Nice Random Chat Thread VII

[ferball]

You seem to think the entirety of Gaza is an uninhabitable rubble. That's not the case.

Yeah, it's bad. Really bad. I am absolutely not suggesting otherwise. Do not try and weaponise what I'm about to say against me.

But...

The death toll in Gaza represents approximately 1 in 55 Palestinians. That's just under 2%.
Structural damage is worse, with approximately 10-20% of the buildings totally destroyed and 50-60% of all buildings suffering some level of damage.

That's AWFUL. I am not downplaying it.

This is how you are downplaying it.

By saying the death toll is 1 in 55 palestinians when that was an absolute minimum from a month ago.

The death toll in Palestine may be higher than 10% of the population right now, and more will die, that is certain. FWIW the US military once claimed the killing ten percent of a population would cause irreparable psychological damage to the population of a place and had policies in place to keep the number of casualties below that where possible.

But I'm just trying to make sure you understand that Gaza has not been wiped from the map and all the residents murdered by these Israeli war-crimes.

Yet. What about their words or actions suggests this isn't the aim of the Israeli state right now?

You seem to think it can't get worse. And I am trying to make you understand that it can get significantly worse.

It will get worse before Trump gets sworn in.

It will only get "marginally worse" if you think something could be significantly worse than this you are cooked.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The democrats in the US are not socialists.

Not by a ****en million miles!!!

I never suggested they were. I said some Democrats reps are pushing back against Biden. Every socialist I know is.


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[Chadwiko]

This is how you are downplaying it.

How did I know you would be the one who tries to use that angle...

By saying the death toll is 1 in 55 palestinians when that was an absolute minimum from a month ago.

It's the official death toll via the UN and Palestinian NGOs, and that's all we have to go on at this stage. Will it likely be higher? Of course. But it's not a conspiracy or anything unreasonable to use that figure now.

Yet. What about their words or actions suggests this isn't the aim of the Israeli state right now?

What about my words suggests to you that I'm not totally against this?

It will get worse before Trump gets sworn in.

No, it will get worse after Trump gets sworn in. Because he will vociferously support Netanyahu, and embolden him to act further and harder.

And that's not just a 'guess' on my part. I'm basing that on Trump's literal words, including earlier this month when he said the following about the Israeli hostages, and I quote;

"There will be all hell to pay if the hostages aren't released by the time I return to the White House. Those responsible will be hit harder than anybody has been hit in the long and storied history of the United States of America."

So please don't bring in your "both sides are equally bad" bullshit here because it's not gonna fly.

It will only get "marginally worse" if you think something could be significantly worse than this you are cooked.

If you think things can't get significantly worse then you're an idiot who doesn't understand the actual situation in Gaza.

 

[Val Keating]

"Instead of calling me out for being anti-Semitic, can we please get back to attacking the Jews again" is a bold deflection strategy.

Hey you gonna go ahead and change your forum signature yet? I mean you had multiple people explain to you how it's a lie...

I shouldn’t bother with you because you’re incapable of having any discussion that challenges your beliefs.

Why is it that everyone who criticises Israel gets labelled antisemitic? Sure at this point I am 100% anti Israel, because of what they’re doing and have been doing for decades.

That doesn’t make me antisemitic, I have nothing against Jewish people at all.

I do have an issue with a country that has been declared an apartheid nation, long before October 7th, and their expansionist tactics. Now they are full on in genocide mode.

Yet anyone that speaks out against it gets labeled antisemitic.

I’ve even seen people label Norman Finkelstein labeled as antisemitic, so I guess I’m in good company.

 

[Chadwiko]

I shouldn’t bother with you because you’re incapable of having any discussion that challenges your beliefs.

The irony...

Why is it that everyone who criticises Israel gets labelled antisemitic?

Nope. That's not what is happening here.

Plenty of other people in this thread criticise the shit out of Israel and they aren't anti-Semitic.

Yet anyone that speaks out against it gets labeled antisemitic.

Yeah, nah. Just the anti-semites.

 

[Val Keating]

How did I know you would be the one who tries to use that angle...



It's the official death toll via the UN and Palestinian NGOs, and that's all we have to go on at this stage. Will it likely be higher? Of course. But it's not a conspiracy or anything unreasonable to use that figure now.



What about my words suggests to you that I'm not totally against this?




No, it will get worse after Trump gets sworn in. Because he will vociferously support Netanyahu, and embolden him to act further and harder.

And that's not just a 'guess' on my part. I'm basing that on Trump's literal words, including earlier this month when he said the following about the Israeli hostages, and I quote;

"There will be all hell to pay if the hostages aren't released by the time I return to the White House. Those responsible will be hit harder than anybody has been hit in the long and storied history of the United States of America."

So please don't bring in your "both sides are equally bad" bullshit here because it's not gonna fly.



If you think things can't get significantly worse then you're an idiot who doesn't understand the actual situation in Gaza.

You’re chomping at the bit to blame the genocide on the Republicans, even though it started and was supported by the Democrats. Yeah, they said some things against it, but look at what happened rather than what they say.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

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Yet anyone that speaks out against it gets labeled antisemitic.

.

I have no idea whether you are. You need not care whether I do or don’t.

But I think you echo horrendous misinformation from sources, many of whom peddle anti semitism.


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[Val Keating]

The irony...



Nope. That's not what is happening here.

Plenty of other people in this thread criticise the shit out of Israel and they aren't anti-Semitic.




Yeah, nah. Just the anti-semites.

Oh please. It’s a tried and true Israeli tactic

 

[Chadwiko]

You’re chomping at the bit to blame the genocide on the Republicans, even though it started and was supported by the Democrats. Yeah, they said some things against it, but look at what happened rather than what they say.

Actually it was started by the Netanyahu government in Israel.

Biden is the only significant major power that has attempted to slow the influx of military supplies and funding since it started, and he was outvoted by a Republican-initiated vote in the Republican-majority House of Reps, which is the US branch of government that has actual authority over arms sales and military funding.

You seem very very keen to ignore these facts though.

 

[Val Keating]

I have no idea whether you are. You need not care whether I do or don’t.

But I think you echo horrendous misinformation from sources, many of whom peddle anti semitism.


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I have the opposite of an echo chamber. I follow people that have opposing views to my own.

 

[Chadwiko]

But I think you echo horrendous misinformation from sources, many of whom peddle anti semitism.

He has been called out for this many, many times before. And every time, he deflects and attacks.

Which leads me to think there's really only two possible explanations;

1) It's a deliberate and malicious tactic to try and spread anti-semitism, misinformation, and propaganda;

OR

2) He's not intelligent enough to realise he's doing it, and not self-aware enough to stop.

 

[Chadwiko]

Oh please. It’s a tried and true Israeli tactic

Do you see me calling ferball, or DesertRoo, or Warlord anti-semitic?

Do you see anyone else accusing them of reposting anti-semitic dog whistling nonsense?

No.

Just you.

 

[Val Keating]

Actually it was started by the Netanyahu government in Israel.

Biden is the only significant major power that has attempted to slow the influx of military supplies and funding since it started, and he was outvoted by a Republican-initiated vote in the Republican-majority House of Reps, which is the US branch of government that has actual authority over arms sales and military funding.

You seem very very keen to ignore these facts though.

Tell that to Palestinians that get moved to refugee camps only to be bombed and burned.

What they know is that they’re being killed by a terrorist state backed by the US. Do you think they give a **** how the US Congress works?

 

[Chadwiko]

PS your protestations about not being anti-semitic are made all the more difficult to believe when you still have the lie about Israel/me as your forum signature, despite multiple people explaining to you, with evidence, how its wrong.

So... Yeah...

 

[Chadwiko]

Tell that to Palestinians that get moved to refugee camps only to be bombed and burned.

What they know is that they’re being killed by a terrorist state backed by the US. Do you think they give a **** how the US Congress works?

They probably know more about the US government than you seem to, yes.

Also, GTFO with this pearl-clutching deflection. Don't use dead Palestinians as your own personal human shield just because you get called out for your ignorance. That's disgraceful.

 

[Val Keating]

Do you see me calling ferball, or DesertRoo, or Warlord anti-semitic?

Do you see anyone else accusing them of reposting anti-semitic dog whistling nonsense?

No.

Just you.

Yeah, by you alone. Maybe you can DM some people to get some support on that, but please don’t dox me if you know my real name, because even though I gave up violence when I had kids, if you do that well…you can fill in the dots

 

[Chadwiko]

Yeah, by you alone.

You forgetting when other people called you out for it? Even flipping Warlord did. And you still didn't take a step back.

Maybe you can DM some people to get some support on that, but please don’t dox me if you know my real name, because even though I gave up violence when I had kids, if you do that well…you can fill in the dots

LOL. I'm shaking!

I wonder if you're so paranoid and terrified of doxxing because you're ashamed of what you post online?

 

[Val Keating]

You forgetting when other people called you out for it? Even flipping Warlord did. And you still didn't take a step back.



LOL. I'm shaking!

I wonder if you're so paranoid and terrified of doxxing because you're ashamed of what you post online?

I’m not paranoid. You have a history of doxxing.

 

[ferball]

It’s weird that got more traction than the post about IDF soldiers describing themselves as Nazis.

It’s in that Israeli news outlet I shared, the one that has the story about the IDF commander breaking the limbs of a 4 year old playing in the sand.

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A large group of followers consisted of soldiers with no prior inclination to violence. Their behavior was most influenced by junior officers' modeling and the company's norms. Some followers who committed atrocities reported moral injuries: "I felt like, like, like a Nazi ... it looked exactly like we were actually the Nazis and they were the Jews."

...

"Instead of calling me out for being anti-Semitic, can we please get back to attacking the Jews again" is a bold deflection strategy.

This rubbish is garbage.

You should delete it.

 

[ferball]

How did I know you would be the one who tries to use that angle...



It's the official death toll via the UN and Palestinian NGOs, and that's all we have to go on at this stage. Will it likely be higher? Of course. But it's not a conspiracy or anything unreasonable to use that figure now.



What about my words suggests to you that I'm not totally against this?




No, it will get worse after Trump gets sworn in. Because he will vociferously support Netanyahu, and embolden him to act further and harder.

And that's not just a 'guess' on my part. I'm basing that on Trump's literal words, including earlier this month when he said the following about the Israeli hostages, and I quote;

"There will be all hell to pay if the hostages aren't released by the time I return to the White House. Those responsible will be hit harder than anybody has been hit in the long and storied history of the United States of America."

So please don't bring in your "both sides are equally bad" bullshit here because it's not gonna fly.



If you think things can't get significantly worse then you're an idiot who doesn't understand the actual situation in Gaza.

If Harris had been elected what is happening wouldn't have stopped. If you believe Israel will stop before every Palestinian is dead ... where is your evidence for this?

You seem to think "significantly worse" means "faster".

 

[Chadwiko]

I’m not paranoid. You have a history of doxxing.

No I don't.

 

[Chadwiko]

This rubbish is garbage.

You should delete it.

ferball the righteous defender of the good and just, here to defend the clique as usual, but remain silent when they're defending Nazis.

 

[Chadwiko]

You seem to think "significantly worse" means "faster".

You seem to think 1 in 55 dead means we shouldn't bother trying to protect the other 54.

 

[ferball]

PS your protestations about not being anti-semitic are made all the more difficult to believe when you still have the lie about Israel/me as your forum signature, despite multiple people explaining to you, with evidence, how its wrong.

So... Yeah...

Its not a lie.

Iran and Syria accused Israel of supporting ISIS and claimed they found Israeli weapons at ISIS strongholds.

There is no evidence they didn't find this and there is plenty of evidence that the Israeli government lies about everything from nuclear weapons to human rights abuses within its borders.

Its a contested statement and neither side are trustworthy enough to believe.

 

[Chadwiko]

Its not a lie.

Iran and Syria accused Israel of supporting ISIS and claimed they found Israeli weapons at ISIS strongholds.

There is no evidence they didn't find this and there is plenty of evidence that the Israeli government lies about everything from nuclear weapons to human rights abuses within its borders.

Its a contested statement and neither side are trustworthy enough to believe.

Ignoring for a second the factual issues with your statement;

Val's signature is a reported quote of ME, and I never said that shit.

I was very specific in my original post, talking about a specific sect of Syrian Rebels in the Golan Heights (ie not ISIS/Daesh/HTS).

You are so desperate to argue with me and defend your clique chums that you'll jump into arguments you have NFI about and do... this.

Makes it transparently obvious you aren't here debating and discussing issues in good-faith. You just come to instigate and provoke.