Random Chat Thread VIII (Aka the world politics shitfight thread)

[DesertRoo]

This trend - the loss of lived experience of WW2 - is a huge issue in why the world is having such issues.

People don't understand why the structures that were built after WW2 are so valuable, because they were literally built atop a mountain of skulls.

Bush Snr oversaw the collapse of the Soviet Union, but it was the Baby Boomer Clinton that supported the ravaging of Russia that led directly to the rise of the siloviki faction like Putin.

And it was the famously draft dodging Bush Snr who decided to tear up the world order and invade and occupy Iraq, which convinced the Russian siloviki faction ... and they were entirely correct, the French knew it too .. that the US had completely abandoned the post WW2 structures and it was everyone for themselves.

Libya confirmed that 100 per cent.

Gaddafi did a deal with the UK and US to give up his WMD, six years later he was murdered by the side of the road with Western special forces looking on (or more likely doing ot imo)



The ICC is the big one, because it is the last chance for the structures intended to REPLACE the post WW2 order (it was only established in 2002) to have any legitimacy.

The Americans voted against it, and don't recognise it and are now planning to undermine it in every way possible.

Which tells you EVERYTHING about the "rules based order" hey.

(Obviously Israel opposed it too)

But but but trump…
Something something stop two siding tit..

 

[DesertRoo]

So any guesses how long the Qatar/Turkey pipeline is built?

Turkey was pretty keen to put it back on the table again

 

[The Dark]

But but but trump…
Something something stop two siding tit..

I saw something that terrified me the other day.

People were talking about how we've now - due to see above post - got a situation where the international order is back to laissez faire everyone for themselves.

Something we haven't had since, ahhh, ummmm, the early 20th century, pre-WW1.

Competing great powers and power blocs, alliances.

Major powers led by autocrats like Putin and Xi, declining sick man of Europe Britain ... and Trump, well, Trump is Wilhelm II.

With all that entails.

 

[The Dark]

So any guesses how long the Qatar/Turkey pipeline is built?

Turkey was pretty keen to put it back on the table again

The Iranians have to be overthrown for that to happen.

Obama very nearly managed that btw, but then Trump came along and tore up the treaty ... and he's now back.

Any military attack on Iran will only serve the unify the regime, and the US doesn't have the Afghan backdoor either.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

There are some very strong parallels between the Sudetenland crisis and Ukraine. And we’ve got a Neville chamberlain who’s a Hitler asset.


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[The Dark]

There are some very strong parallels between the Sudetenland crisis and Ukraine. And we’ve got a Neville chamberlain who’s a Hitler asset.


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Except Putin isn't Hitler. In any analysis. He's not motivated by race politics for a start.

And Trump was elected with a thumping majority by the American people, the whole RusSsIaN aSsEt thing died in November last year.

Trump is 100 per cent American, red white and blue, loves his wrestling, bought a bodgy US football team lol.

The Americans don't get to blame their failings as a society on a mystical boogieman in Moscow now.

And if Trump sells out the Ukranians, then that's what the American people want.

 

[Cyber_punk]

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A bit more on Oscar Jenkins apparent execution:

Fellow fighters believe Australian killed shortly after capture in Ukraine

Soldiers who served alongside Oscar Jenkins in the Ukrainian armed forces say they are convinced their Australian comrade was killed by Russia's military shortly after being captured last year.

www.abc.net.au

The foreign fighter, who asked to be identified by his call sign "Forrest", said he believed his Australian comrade had been killed, and described his grief at losing his "best mate".

"During the identification process they used the tattoo he had, and it was shown it was him … he had the word 'vegan' tattooed on his hand," he told the ABC.

Another Australian with links to Ukraine's armed forces said he had been provided "unnerving information" that pointed to Oscar Jenkins being killed soon after being captured.

"Oscar's body was discovered by my friend's sister squad. It appears that they were executed," said the military figure who is currently based in Ukraine.

"Oscar's body was with three or four others who were from the same squad. [They were] all found in the same area where the video was taken," the Australian figure told the ABC, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
Opposition Leader Peter Dutton said if Mr Jenkins had been executed, then Russia's ambassador to Australia should be expelled.

"If there is confirmation that Oscar Jenkins has been killed the government should take the strongest possible action, and that is that the ambassador should be withdrawn and the ambassador here in Australia should be sent packing," Mr Dutton said.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Except Putin isn't Hitler. In any analysis. He's not motivated by race politics for a start.

And Trump was elected with a thumping majority by the American people, the whole RusSsIaN aSsEt thing died in November last year.

Trump is 100 per cent American, red white and blue, loves his wrestling, bought a bodgy US football team lol.

The Americans don't get to blame their failings as a society on a mystical boogieman in Moscow now.

And if Trump sells out the Ukranians, then that's what the American people want.

Thumping? He won by less than 2%. His popular margin victory was smaller than Hillary Clinton’s in 2016.

He would sell anything that isn’t nailed down to anyone.

Putin has invaded a sovereign state. He won’t stop at Ukraine. Anyone who believes he’s a boogeyman is a crank.


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[DesertRoo]

I saw something that terrified me the other day.

People were talking about how we've now - due to see above post - got a situation where the international order is back to laissez faire everyone for themselves.

Something we haven't had since, ahhh, ummmm, the early 20th century, pre-WW1.

Competing great powers and power blocs, alliances.

Major powers led by autocrats like Putin and Xi, declining sick man of Europe Britain ... and Trump, well, Trump is Wilhelm II.

With all that entails.

I can see the parallels, although Trump is trying to remove the US from treaties similar to what got the world in trouble in 1914. I see Trump as isolationist, he is more likely to turn the US into Russia 1919. Looking at solving problems inwards and we also know how that ended up with people who thought they were smartest in the room. Although as a given completely different ideologies.

I’ve always said Trump isn’t going to be the issue it’s what crawls out in 15 years or so, after we’ve seen a few years of hyperinflation and destabilisation in the US and you’ve got absolute resentment towards the state.

 

[Chadwiko]

Except Putin isn't Hitler. In any analysis. He's not motivated by race politics for a start.

And Trump was elected with a thumping majority by the American people, the whole RusSsIaN aSsEt thing died in November last year.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I can see the parallels, although Trump is trying to remove the US from treaties similar to what got the world in trouble in 1914. I see Trump as isolationist, he is more likely to turn the US into Russia 1919. Looking at solving problems inwards and we also know how that ended up with people who thought they were smartest in the room.

Although I’ve always said Trump isn’t going to be the issue it’s what crawls out in 15 years or so, after we’ve seen a few years of hyperinflation and destabilisation in the US and you’ve got absolute resentment towards the state.

They’ve literally got mild inflation under control.


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[DesertRoo]

They’ve literally got mild inflation under control.


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The trigger for inflation will be the US printing money to buy US bonds.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The trigger for inflation will be the US printing money to buy US bonds.

When?


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[DesertRoo]

When?


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If you knew the answer you most likely become a very rich man.

But it’s the obvious outcome, this is a warning from 2019 before Covid. As you can imagine the risks are twice as bad now.

Making Sense of the National Debt

The total national debt is over $22 trillion and growing, with no reduction in sight. How much debt is too much? Are there risks from too much debt? This article addresses how government debt differs from household debt.

www.stlouisfed.org

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

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If you knew the answer you most likely become a very rich man.

But it’s the obvious outcome, this is a warning from [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]] before Covid. As you can imagine the risks are twice as bad now.

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There is nothing in that suggesting the US government will buy its own bonds.


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[DesertRoo]

There is nothing in that suggesting the US government will buy its own bonds.


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The article is explaining the mechanism, not the cause but honestly would you invest in America in the next few years?

They have to cut spending by billions whilst simulating growth with a couple of self serving billionaires running policy, what could go wrong.

 

[ferball]

I can see the parallels, although Trump is trying to remove the US from treaties similar to what got the world in trouble in 1914. I see Trump as isolationist, he is more likely to turn the US into Russia 1919. Looking at solving problems inwards and we also know how that ended up with people who thought they were smartest in the room. Although as a given completely different ideologies.

I’ve always said Trump isn’t going to be the issue it’s what crawls out in 15 years or so, after we’ve seen a few years of hyperinflation and destabilisation in the US and you’ve got absolute resentment towards the state.

In 15 years it won't matter what crawls out cos their arse will be on fire.

 

[DesertRoo]

In 15 years it won't matter what crawls out cos their arse will be on fire.

Talking about history, I wonder how things like the assassination of UnitedHealthcare ceo will be viewed.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The article is explaining the mechanism, not the cause but honestly would you invest in America in the next few years?

They have to cut spending by billions whilst simulating growth with a couple of self serving billionaires running policy, what could go wrong.

They’ve been running deficits for decades. This push for balance budgets is just a clarion call for the wealth class to take money from the rest. The only genuine threat to their economy is climate change.


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[Scallop Industry Thug]

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Talking about history, I wonder how things like the assassination of UnitedHealthcare ceo will be viewed.

The same way we look at the French Revolution. Yeah violence is bad, but…


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[DesertRoo]

They’ve been running deficits for decades. This push for balance budgets is just a clarion call for the wealth class to take money from the rest. The only genuine threat to their economy is climate change.


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I dont think their economy is in the same shape as before and they aren’t the only unilateral power.

I don’t think they can gamble on others buying your debt as a strategy, as previous decades.