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[StFly]

Meanwhile back in the real world, the 15 year old sister of one of daughter's school mates throws herself in front of a train at Sandy station after being bullied at school.

Received a text that day suggesting she'd be better off killing herself.

What the **** is going on??????

I had a friend whose brother hung himself on the tree in their yard for the same thing, she found him there. I contemplated doing the same 16 years back for the same reason, before professional help leading to social anxiety issues in the present because first response is freak out and walls, since I obviously failed that attempt. Or am a spooky ghost.

What is going on is people, in general, are selfish arseholes shitting all over the place whilst you're trying to make sense of things and find out who you are and want to be. So when they invariably shit on you in the process to make themselves appear like the golden gods of bullshit that they are in their selfish arseholery, there are days where you are just covered in the stuff, and it spans years and you just give up, because the alternative is just too goddamn hard.

Because everyone's a selfish arseh*le, they don't want to deal with that conversation unless they're beaten across the face with it several times, and there's simply no take backs, unless you're like me and you fail. Can't really fail when you involve a few tonnes of metal + velocity.

 

[PoppedCorn]

It's ****ed is what it is
Back when I was at school, sure I got bullied for being the weird pommie kid....but social media didn't dictate I got it constantly day in night out.
One thing I did do was start martial arts....one so I could defend myself quickly and easily to physical bullies but also for the mental aspect of realising that the bully is mentally weaker and is showing dominance over his her victims before it happens to them.

Bullies are weak
It usually takes one lesson to explain to a bully that you're sick of it

Suicide rates in our youth being so high because of some selfish inconsiderate sociopathic bully are crazy.
Seriously an adam goodies moment of standing and pointing them out is what's required

I'm particularly fond of school bullies and have a long memory

 

[cartel]

What an awful event for all concerned. Would really mess your head for a lifetime.

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[karaoke]

Meanwhile back in the real world, the 15 year old sister of one of daughter's school mates throws herself in front of a train at Sandy station after being bullied at school.

Received a text that day suggesting she'd be better off killing herself.

What the **** is going on??????

That's so tragic, I'm sorry to hear that.

 

[Glen Buterol]

Meanwhile back in the real world, the 15 year old sister of one of daughter's school mates throws herself in front of a train at Sandy station after being bullied at school.

Received a text that day suggesting she'd be better off killing herself.

What the **** is going on??????

Sad. Social media making this type of shit 1000 times worse. Not only do kids get bullied in the play ground but also online where the reach is endless.

 

[Rors]

A kid I went to school with in Primary school killed himself in his early 20s. He was the opposite. He was a deadset shit campaigner bully that used to have a 'gang' of buddies that would hang out at the local station & ask people for the time. Those that didn't know the time or weren't able to tell them the time were bashed & mugged. They were absolute cretins. Only reason I never got bashed was because our Mums knew each other well & we knew where he lived (just around the corner from me)

Hanged himself in his bedroom from the ceiling fan.

Interesting thing is that the blokes who used to be in his gang are now quite decent people & have good jobs/families

 

[PaddysurDaddy]

A kid I went to school with in Primary school killed himself in his early 20s. He was the opposite. He was a deadset shit campaigner bully that used to have a 'gang' of buddies that would hang out at the local station & ask people for the time. Those that didn't know the time or weren't able to tell them the time were bashed & mugged. They were absolute cretins. Only reason I never got bashed was because our Mums knew each other well & we knew where he lived (just around the corner from me)

Hanged himself in his bedroom from the ceiling fan.

Interesting thing is that the blokes who used to be in his gang are now quite decent people & have good jobs/families

that does sound like pretty shit behaviour, but people aren't just born bullies, often they've been abused or are suffering from something in their environment. Maybe his dad beat him, maybe something else happened along the line. The only alternative is that he was a psychopath, which is pretty rare, but still you've got to pitty someone without the power of empathy

 

[Rors]

that does sound like pretty shit behaviour, but people aren't just born bullies, often they've been abused or are suffering from something in their environment. Maybe his dad beat him, maybe something else happened along the line. The only alternative is that he was a psychopath, which is pretty rare, but still you've got to pitty someone without the power of empathy

He was a strange cat for all the years I knew & saw him, probably 12-14 yrs. I was gutted for his family when I heard the news. Such a nice & loving family. Not sure why he was the way he was (he seriously may have had a screw loose, wouldn't have surprised me. He did have some very odd personality traits). Pretty sure he had serious depression issues near the end

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Meanwhile back in the real world, the 15 year old sister of one of daughter's school mates throws herself in front of a train at Sandy station after being bullied at school.

Received a text that day suggesting she'd be better off killing herself.

What the **** is going on??????

Poor little darlen.

 

[CHBench]

Meanwhile back in the real world, the 15 year old sister of one of daughter's school mates throws herself in front of a train at Sandy station after being bullied at school.

Received a text that day suggesting she'd be better off killing herself.

What the **** is going on??????

Sickening. The sender is a legitimate oxygen thief

The Netflix series 13 Reasons Why copped a bit of flack for the way it addressed suicide. I still haven't seen the scene where the lead commits suicide - which the show copped a bit of criticism for as it's never been portrayed in such detail before, but the conversations it has elicited amongst my social groups has brought more awareness to how what is a seemingly incidental interaction may profoundly effect another. Obviously there's nothing incidental about sending a text message like that which is downright disgusting, but I think the series has a place in teaching a few teenagers how to be a human being with some basic common decency

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

Meanwhile back in the real world, the 15 year old sister of one of daughter's school mates throws herself in front of a train at Sandy station after being bullied at school.

Received a text that day suggesting she'd be better off killing herself.

What the **** is going on??????

Genuinely sad to hear that.
I sent my oldest two children to a local highly respected private Catholic school only to hear that a bullied yr 7 girl hung herself because of ongoing teasing a few days before my oldest child started at that school.
Online and social media bullying amongst our children is blight on our society that needs much more attention.

 

[gringo2011]

I did say we had problems. As all countries do.
But in some countries that young muslim girl wouldve been stoned to death just for having a strong opinion..

When did she have a strong opinion, she made a Facebook post with something that suggested that while we remembered the victims of war we remember the people still who are currently displaced or suffering from conflicts. My grandfather was ironically injured in the middle east in WWII and he was very compassionate about the plight of victims of war, he probably would have thought that meant more that a campaigner with a flag and no shit pissing on the cliffs of Gallipoli after 30 cans. Someone pointed out on twitter that the Gold Coast ANZAC day wet T-shirt contest didn't raise an eyebrow with conservative commentators.

 

[gringo2011]

Genuinely sad to hear that.
I sent my oldest two children to a local highly respected private Catholic school only to hear that a bullied yr 7 girl hung herself because of ongoing teasing a few days before my oldest child started at that school.
Online and social media bullying amongst our children is blight on our society that needs much more attention.

We pulled our daughter from a private school because it was so toxic, she's at a public school now and loves it. She copped the kill yourself and hope you get cancer texts and posts. She chose to go vegan because she likes animals so they decided she should be made into a victim because of it. It was seriously like a womens prison. The principal and staff were absolute jokes more interested in signing confidentiality statements and covering their arses and did nothing. they had 19 kids leave in her year because of similar bullying but chose to support families with more influence even if their kids were psychopaths.

 

[VDS66]

Thank you for your replies.

I am totally at loss as to where the cause lies.

Is it a lack of self esteem from the bully?

If so then where does that from?

Parents? Peers? Or is society going about it the wrong way, when you are defined by your job / income or material possessions.

I hear stories of wealthy parents telling their kids that they are better because of their privilege. Private school kids referring to public school kids as "povs".

Dunno.

What makes it worse is that they track the text and identify the bully, it goes to the juvenile court and nothing happens.

And heaven forbid if a school tries to stop it, the bully's parents sue the school. These days the school gas to be seen as being fair to both parties. Fmd.

 

[VDS66]

We pulled our daughter from a private school because it was so toxic, she's at a public school now and loves it. She copped the kill yourself and hope you get cancer texts and posts. She chose to go vegan because she likes animals so they decided she should be made into a victim because of it. It was seriously like a womens prison. The principal and staff were absolute jokes more interested in signing confidentiality statements and covering their arses and did nothing. they had 19 kids leave in her year because of similar bullying but chose to support families with more influence even if their kids were psychopaths.

Same situation... she was in a school for super smart kids and had to go back to Cheltenham secondary, but they still went her.

What I do wonder is that she was moved so the parents were aware. So why didn't they get her to suspend social media, and even change numbers?

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

When did she have a strong opinion, she made a Facebook post with something that suggested that while we remembered the victims of war we remember the people still who are currently displaced or suffering from conflicts. My grandfather was ironically injured in the middle east in WWII and he was very compassionate about the plight of victims of war, he probably would have thought that meant more that a campaigner with a flag and no shit pissing on the cliffs of Gallipoli after 30 cans. Someone pointed out on twitter that the Gold Coast ANZAC day wet T-shirt contest didn't raise an eyebrow with conservative commentators.

My point was try living in a country that is very negative towards woman having opinions and saying the same.
Sadly in some countries a young woman speaking out in social media against the norm would have terrible results.
We are blessed to live in a country that such actions result in just negative comments and not physical repocusions.
All i was focusing on is how lucky we are compared to most countries.

 

[theprospect]

Sickening. The sender is a legitimate oxygen thief

The Netflix series 13 Reasons Why copped a bit of flack for the way it addressed suicide. I still haven't seen the scene where the lead commits suicide - which the show copped a bit of criticism for as it's never been portrayed in such detail before, but the conversations it has elicited amongst my social groups has brought more awareness to how what is a seemingly incidental interaction may profoundly effect another. Obviously there's nothing incidental about sending a text message like that which is downright disgusting, but I think the series has a place in teaching a few teenagers how to be a human being with some basic common decency

13 Reasons Why is a terrible show, I actually watched it twice to try and get a better understanding of it. Some of the horrible things about it that I noted:

- It glorifies suicide and self harm
- Multiple characters are sexualised through on screen rape which was absolutely unnecessary to show
- It sends a message to young teens that shifting blame is okay and acceptable
- Despite everything, there is actually zero discussion through the whole show about mental illness and depression
- The way the show pans out basically sends the message that we are all alone

To be honest I think it should be banned, or at least restricted from teens watching. As someone who suffers from depression it's actually very insulting. At no point in the show is there any discussion about mental illness or depression, the whole show is just different people shifting blame or refusing to accept that their actions resulted in the suicide of a person. It more or less sends the message that bullying is okay, that if you don't want to accept your actions have consequences that it's okay. I think it would put ideas in people's heads as well - so many young teens suffer from depression and bullying, all 13 Reasons Why tells us is that suicide is the easy way out. If you want the bullying to stop, the depression to stop, just kill yourself. It's disgusting and has absolutely zero positive impact on anyone.

 

[Highlander35]

Don't care for 13 Reasons Why.

Felt less sympathy for Hannah every single episode.

Not a necessarily a bad thing in terms of a TV show, but as one of very few shows to use mental illness and suicide as a major part of the plot, it certainly doesn't portray anyone, Character, producer, director or writer in a good light.

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[VDS66]

When did she have a strong opinion, she made a Facebook post with something that suggested that while we remembered the victims of war we remember the people still who are currently displaced or suffering from conflicts. My grandfather was ironically injured in the middle east in WWII and he was very compassionate about the plight of victims of war, he probably would have thought that meant more that a campaigner with a flag and no shit pissing on the cliffs of Gallipoli after 30 cans. Someone pointed out on twitter that the Gold Coast ANZAC day wet T-shirt contest didn't raise an eyebrow with conservative commentators.

Funny how the defenders of free speech get their knickers in a knot when they find something offensive...

There's been a fair bit of rewriting history when it comes to ANZAC campaign.

 

[CHBench]

13 Reasons Why is a terrible show, I actually watched it twice to try and get a better understanding of it. Some of the horrible things about it that I noted:

- It glorifies suicide and self harm
- Multiple characters are sexualised through on screen rape which was absolutely unnecessary to show
- It sends a message to young teens that shifting blame is okay and acceptable
- Despite everything, there is actually zero discussion through the whole show about mental illness and depression
- The way the show pans out basically sends the message that we are all alone

To be honest I think it should be banned, or at least restricted from teens watching. As someone who suffers from depression it's actually very insulting. At no point in the show is there any discussion about mental illness or depression, the whole show is just different people shifting blame or refusing to accept that their actions resulted in the suicide of a person. It more or less sends the message that bullying is okay, that if you don't want to accept your actions have consequences that it's okay. I think it would put ideas in people's heads as well - so many young teens suffer from depression and bullying, all 13 Reasons Why tells us is that suicide is the easy way out. If you want the bullying to stop, the depression to stop, just kill yourself. It's disgusting and has absolutely zero positive impact on anyone.

I didn't find the actual storylines to be that great either, but I think what people draw from the show varies depending on their knowledge and personal experiences with the various topics they covered.

Certainly for me anyway I admit I am quite naive to a lot of what was presented because I simply haven't had to confront these issues before, so it lead me to have conversations about them that I neccesarily might not have had. And I think that was the experience for many like myself in similar positions. For the less naive I understand how it can be seen as complete shit. So yes it's not for everyone and is no way a copy paste lesson on the issues it portayed, but at the very least it's a conversation starter on a topic many aren't sure how to bring up.

 

[Persevering Saint]

On a different note...

 

[my name was taken]

Anyone trying to sleep at night and you can't because you keep thinking about how one eye lid feels like it's closed harder than the other.

 

[PoppedCorn]

Can't say I have that trouble......

 

[gringo2011]

Sickening. The sender is a legitimate oxygen thief

The Netflix series 13 Reasons Why copped a bit of flack for the way it addressed suicide. I still haven't seen the scene where the lead commits suicide - which the show copped a bit of criticism for as it's never been portrayed in such detail before, but the conversations it has elicited amongst my social groups has brought more awareness to how what is a seemingly incidental interaction may profoundly effect another. Obviously there's nothing incidental about sending a text message like that which is downright disgusting, but I think the series has a place in teaching a few teenagers how to be a human being with some basic common decency

My daughters current school is in a panic about it and have sent around emails and are getting in people to speak to the kids. My daughter watched on netflix and I didn't even know what it was. Apparently most of the school has seen it.

 

[freebloke]

Being a migrant, in my overseas childhood, suicide was pretty uncommon. At least I never heard of one there for a school going child. Adults, sure, but still very uncommon. They did have other types of problems that Australia has moved past to an extent...

I am not dissing the people, but, culturally, suicide is something that should be talked about but explained why it is an unacceptable waste of a life. When I grew up, it was clearly explained via stories and text books why it is a waste and so many opportunities are there. One of the most positive persons I knew was a distant cousin in a wheelchair who was originally born paralysed from neck down, and with therapy had reached a point where she was only incapacitated from waist down. Yet, she was incredibly friendly and positive even at 21 when I last saw her.

So many of the problems in Australia are first world problems, that people need a perspective on how lucky they are! Go out and see!