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[MUFKilda]

I have had to stop reading about politics because it actually makes me feel aggravated, I used to be passionate now I'm resigned. It's almost like there needs to be a cataclysm to spark any kind of refresh of the system.

Surely the global financial crash of 2008 was the moment to take stock and re-evaluate the failed promises of the neoliberal project. In return for bailing out banks, governments around the world should have demanded a 'New Deal' to coin a phrase, as Roosevelt did after the 1929 crash. Instead governments around the world ploughed on with the same ideology of giving total control to the bankers whilst imposing massive public service cuts on the populace to pay for the bail outs.

If we didn't act then, I don't see that we ever will.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

There are some good reasons for Brexit.

If your economy is not tracking well, the floating currency tends to drop in value.

The lower currency gives everyone in the country a pay cut in global terms, but locally produced goods and services don't necessarily get more expensive.
Similarly goods or services to other countries can be supplied cheaper, helping re-establish the economy.

Now look at a country like Greece, they adopted the Euro as a currency, but as a poorer country than the likes of France or Germany, how can they adjust their economy against those countries.
If Germany had not adopted Euro, the DM would have gone through the roof, making German cars (for example ) more expensive and giving a cost benefit to those in other countries.
Instead the Euro, tied to a lot of poorer countries, kept them competitive.

Greece had to adopt Austerity measures.

Its much easier for the Government to say, "The dollar has gone down " than " I need yez all to take a pay cut".

Hypothetically you could have independent East and West Australia.
You'd probably find them both with wildly less stable economy than they have now, going from boom to recession on and off.
The bigger country with more diversity makes things more stable.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Surely the global financial crash of 2008 was the moment to take stock and re-evaluate the failed promises of the neoliberal project. In return for bailing out banks, governments around the world should have demanded a 'New Deal' to coin a phrase, as Roosevelt did after the 1929 crash. Instead governments around the world ploughed on with the same ideology of giving total control to the bankers whilst imposing massive public service cuts on the populace to pay for the bail outs.

If we didn't act then, I don't see that we ever will.

I'm not aware that the Australian government bailed anyone out.

 

[MUFKilda]

There are some good reasons for Brexit.

If your economy is not tracking well, the floating currency tends to drop in value.

The lower currency gives everyone in the country a pay cut in global terms, but locally produced goods and services don't necessarily get more expensive.
Similarly goods or services to other countries can be supplied cheaper, helping re-establish the economy.

Now look at a country like Greece, they adopted the Euro as a currency, but as a poorer country than the likes of France or Germany, how can they adjust their economy against those countries.
If Germany had not adopted Euro, the DM would have gone through the roof, making German cars (for example ) more expensive and giving a cost benefit to those in other countries.
Instead the Euro, tied to a lot of poorer countries, kept them competitive.

Greece had to adopt Austerity measures.

Its much easier for the Government to say, "The dollar has gone down " than " I need yez all to take a pay cut".

Hypothetically you could have independent East and West Australia.
You'd probably find them both with wildly less stable economy than they have now, going from boom to recession on and off.
The bigger country with more diversity makes things more stable.

The Greek economy was hammered after the banking crash in 2008 and couldn't cope with having the euro. Had it been able to devalue its currency and slash interest rates, for example, it may well have had a much smoother landing. Greece is an exceptional case, due to the weakness of its economy and the massive corruption. We don't have the euro and of course have a much bigger economy.

I think Brexit is crazy. Of course the EU isn't perfect, but it costs us 0.37% of our GDP to be a member - that's before the money we get back via EU projects - and in return have a single market and customs union with 400 million people. We might be about to lose that, along with many social protections the Tories are desperate to destroy.

 

[MUFKilda]

I'm not aware that the Australian government bailed anyone out.

I honestly don't know what happened in Australia, but many countries had to. It cost UK taxpayers 380 billion sterling to prevent our system collapsing.

 

[mightymalaka]

Yeah, he's a very shrewd man. We have a right wing commentator called Andrew Bolt, he has done really well financially playing a media commentator version of Peterson. I know a guy who's in marketing, knows Bolt and claims he's a great guy in real life and doesn't believe the shit he writes. That to me makes him the opposite of a good guy. Another guy we know through friends is a right wing media commentator and he was a left wing as they came when he was younger, in his uni days he was a wild man and didn't hold back on the party supplies. These days he's painful to listen to.

If that's true about Bolt, then he is an even bigger knob
I imagined him to be! The guy you know wouldn't! Happen to be Neil Mitchell?
Though find it hard to believe he was ever a wild leftie

As hard as it is to comprehend, Rupert Murdoch was once an idealistic leftie!
Who would have thunk it!

 

[VDS66]

I'm not aware that the Australian government bailed anyone out.

No but they did guarantee their survival.

 

[VDS66]

Surely the global financial crash of 2008 was the moment to take stock and re-evaluate the failed promises of the neoliberal project. In return for bailing out banks, governments around the world should have demanded a 'New Deal' to coin a phrase, as Roosevelt did after the 1929 crash. Instead governments around the world ploughed on with the same ideology of giving total control to the bankers whilst imposing massive public service cuts on the populace to pay for the bail outs.

If we didn't act then, I don't see that we ever will.

That's because the political parties are bank rolled by the people who caused the mess.

Privatise the profit, socialise the debt.

However, having said that, it was oil prices that ultimately brought it on.

The rest went down like a house of cards in a hurricane.

 

[MUFKilda]

As hard as it is to comprehend, Rupert Murdoch was once an idealistic leftie!
Who would have thunk it!

And thanks for sending him over here, by the way. You give us your best: Jason Donovan, Murdoch, Rolf Harris

 

[mightymalaka]

And thanks for sending him over here, by the way. You give us your best: Jason Donovan, Murdoch, Rolf Harris

lol
Your welcome. Don't forget Peter Andre!
Consider it payback for Bodyline!

 

[sunny3193]

Nah mate you are the one "corrected" my comparison between ignorance of European culture and aboriginal culture. You don't get to cop out of pretty explicitly implying that Western culture is irrelevant because Westerners weren't treated the same way as aboriginals in one particular circumstance.

You’re having an argument with a figment of your imagination.
You don’t know why I corrected that.
You’ve never asked me.
You’re projecting your own biases upon something that doesn’t exist.
I have had ZERO interaction with you about the issues you have raised in both of your two argumentative posts.
And likewise for the post above.
Furthermore, you have NO idea about my thoughts on these matters.
As I have never discussed them with anyone on this site.
I suggest you go back to first principles and ask yourself: is that what I implied with that edit?
Is there another explanation?
And when you ask yourself that: do doubt that your original assumption is correct.
Because it isn’t.

 

[MUFKilda]

lol
Your welcome. Don't forget Peter Andre!
Consider it payback for Bodyline!

We had to find some way to get The Don out. Other than shooting the ball from a cannon, there was no choice.

 

[Yawkey way]

Yeah, he's a very shrewd man. We have a right wing commentator called Andrew Bolt, he has done really well financially playing a media commentator version of Peterson. I know a guy who's in marketing, knows Bolt and claims he's a great guy in real life and doesn't believe the shit he writes. That to me makes him the opposite of a good guy. Another guy we know through friends is a right wing media commentator and he was a left wing as they came when he was younger, in his uni days he was a wild man and didn't hold back on the party supplies. These days he's painful to listen to.

I used to read bolt in the paper and I must say he wasn’t popular but he made some sense imo.

He had his battle in the federal court and lost but there was a lot of truth in what he had to say at that time which shouldn’t be lost. He was a bit brutal but it’s the nature of the game he’s in to some extent some people will be upset with you.

Now I haven’t seen more than 5-10 minutes of him in the last 5 years does he have some new gag, because back then he said unpopular but factually true things and called out the left and the right. I feel I made a conscious decision to stop watching and reading so much because it was winding me up so I’m a bit out of the loop.

I have my routine I visit the Red Sox, patriots, the age, Fox and cnn and then bigfooty everyday for the headlines and that’s it. If something comes up that interests me then I do my own research and reading, fact and source checking etc.

 

[gringo2011]

If that's true about Bolt, then he is an even bigger knob
I imagined him to be! The guy you know wouldn't! Happen to be Neil Mitchell?
Though find it hard to believe he was ever a wild leftie

As hard as it is to comprehend, Rupert Murdoch was once an idealistic leftie!
Who would have thunk it!

Nah not Mitchell, he's younger. I won't name and shame him because that would be shit and he's actually a nice guy in real life. The old biddies would choke on their tea if they knew he had a life before becoming an uptight conservative dick. Through friends in Victorian politics you hear some stuff about the private lives of politicians and realise they are a pretty wild bunch. Some stories you couldn't make up.

I think uni is a time everyone thinks they are going to save the world then by the time they want to tax you you go out and become a full tory.

 

[gringo2011]

I used to read bolt in the paper and I must say he wasn’t popular but he made some sense imo.

He had his battle in the federal court and lost but there was a lot of truth in what he had to say at that time which shouldn’t be lost. He was a bit brutal but it’s the nature of the game he’s in to some extent some people will be upset with you.

Now I haven’t seen more than 5-10 minutes of him in the last 5 years does he have some new gag, because back then he said unpopular but factually true things and called out the left and the right. I feel I made a conscious decision to stop watching and reading so much because it was winding me up so I’m a bit out of the loop.

I have my routine I visit the Red Sox, patriots, the age, Fox and cnn and then bigfooty everyday for the headlines and that’s it. If something comes up that interests me then I do my own research and reading, fact and source checking etc.

He's more right wing these days. He's in the pocket of people like Rienhardt.

 

[Yawkey way]

He's more right wing these days. He's in the pocket of people like Rienhardt.

I don’t even watch what passes for the news now and haven’t for some years it’s just crap.

It was once 30 minutes into which you had to fit news, sport and weather, the longer it became the more rubbish they added.

It’s funny when you actually start asking the question says who or where does it say that, you uncover all manner of things that people take for granted that just aren’t what they’re believed to be.

God Gina Reinhardt now there is a real piece of work.

 

[Crusty Undies]

That's the Pauline Hanson and Trump effect. The more they ridicule them the more popular they become. He's very divisive and I get the feeling he's a troll half the time but the people who whine about him are just feeding his fame. He's like the right's version of Clementine Ford.

I don't think he's anything like Clementine Ford. For one he hasn't said any one group is evil which is a pretty important factor. Also as far as I know he has left wing views on everything except social policies, which is pretty reasonable

 

[gringo2011]

I don't think he's anything like Clementine Ford. For one he hasn't said any one group is evil which is a pretty important factor. Also as far as I know he has left wing views on everything except social policies, which is pretty reasonable

More in the way he's an extreme polariser. He's obviously not a mirror reverse of her. Both are dividers rather than fixers.

 

[VDS66]

So I just did a Google Search for early voting.

There is a sponsored link at the top of the site called wheretovote.org.au

Silly me. When you click on the How to vote button, you get Liberal how to vote card. And the find location buttons don't work.

FMD talk about deceptive.

 

[VDS66]

You’re having an argument with a figment of your imagination.
You don’t know why I corrected that.
You’ve never asked me.
You’re projecting your own biases upon something that doesn’t exist.
I have had ZERO interaction with you about the issues you have raised in both of your two argumentative posts.
And likewise for the post above.
Furthermore, you have NO idea about my thoughts on these matters.
As I have never discussed them with anyone on this site.
I suggest you go back to first principles and ask yourself: is that what I implied with that edit?
Is there another explanation?
And when you ask yourself that: do doubt that your original assumption is correct.
Because it isn’t.

Don't wind up Sunny...

 

[Crusty Undies]

More in the way he's an extreme polariser. He's obviously not a mirror reverse of her. Both are dividers rather than fixers.

I don't think that's really true either though... I mean don't get me wrong I think Peterson is wrong about some things but he's right about a lot of other things and he's been much more a positive than negative influence with the sheer number of people who've gotten their shit together as a result of him. Then to see people like Clementine Ford spilling hateful drivel about how evil men are and that the future is female and talking about how toxic male culture and the patriarchy... I don't really see any comparison tbh.

 

[Yawkey way]

I don't think that's really true either though... I mean don't get me wrong I think Peterson is wrong about some things but he's right about a lot of other things and he's been much more a positive than negative influence with the sheer number of people who've gotten their shit together as a result of him. Then to see people like Clementine Ford spilling hateful drivel about how evil men are and that the future is female and talking about how toxic male culture and the patriarchy... I don't really see any comparison tbh.

I don’t know much about him but I when read her it’s so bad I wonder if she’s a troll, but I get drawn in and read it anyway.

Then just when I’m convinced she is there’s a piece where she’s unusually honest in a personal sense about her life and mental health, anxiety etc.

It then makes me wonder even more why so much she writes is a chicken and vitriol sandwich for males to digest. I don’t remember the old Andrew bolt like that at all, he was abrupt and sometimes brutally honest not obviously fixated like clementine is.

 

[gringo2011]

I don't think that's really true either though... I mean don't get me wrong I think Peterson is wrong about some things but he's right about a lot of other things and he's been much more a positive than negative influence with the sheer number of people who've gotten their shit together as a result of him. Then to see people like Clementine Ford spilling hateful drivel about how evil men are and that the future is female and talking about how toxic male culture and the patriarchy... I don't really see any comparison tbh.

I guess it depends which side of the split you stand on. I like to think I'm pretty centrist and find both divisive and really whistle to their side of politics. Ford is a right wing troll I reckon, she surely can't be serious, her dad is a One Nation politician.

 

[gringo2011]

I don’t know much about him but I when read her it’s so bad I wonder if she’s a troll, but I get drawn in and read it anyway.

Then just when I’m convinced she is there’s a piece where she’s unusually honest in a personal sense about her life and mental health, anxiety etc.

It then makes me wonder even more why so much she writes is a chicken and vitriol sandwich for males to digest. I don’t remember the old Andrew bolt like that at all, he was abrupt and sometimes brutally honest not obviously fixated like clementine is.

Yeah I find her abrasive and aggressive for the sake of it. Some of what she writes makes you incredulous that she's not laughing at her followers.

 

[Crusty Undies]

I guess it depends which side of the split you stand on. I like to think I'm pretty centrist and find both divisive and really whistle to their side of politics. Ford is a right wing troll I reckon, she surely can't be serious, her dad is a One Nation politician.

Either she's a massive troll or it's all reactionary for the sake of being different to her parents. I dunno though could it really be a troll when you write a couple books and spill the same hateful rhetoric day in and day out?

FWIW I'd say I'm a centrist too.