Rank the 16 Rising Star nominees

[Masten2McKinley]

sounds good although dont think ibbo is A list more B list

 

[bomberstomake8]

have a think about it... wouldnt it be easier for an average player to stand out in a "shite" side?
heres my POV for what its worth:
- palmer and cotchin are the stand outs... easily.
- rioli had a great start to the season but his form of late is nowhere near as good.
- kreuzer does well considering the positon he plays and his age but does not have a huge impact. vs port showed what he can do but havent seen enough of that week in week out.
- riewoldt has only played in the last few weeks. nothing to talk about in the early part of the season.
- houli wouldve been right up there with palmer and cotchin in the voting come the end of the season had he not been out injured over the past few weeks.
- wonaeamirri. would be in and out of the side regularly at a club that's going at least ok. stated what I thought at the start of this post ^^^
- ibbotson, reimers and garland have all been very consistent all year and are very impressive.

pretty unbiased assessment really, well done

 

[Flukey!]

Don't just rank them on the season they are having. Rank the sixteen current Rising Stars in terms of how you would rank them at the end of their careers.
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Dart board anyone?

 

[Broadbridge_20]

1. Kieren Jack
2. Matthew Kruezer
3. Austin Wonaemirri
4. Jarryd Morton
5. Trent Cotchin
6. Rhys Palmer
7. Kyle Reimers
8. Garrick Ibbotson
9. Cyril Rioli
10. Bachar Houli
11. Josh Hill
12. Kurt Tippett
13. Ben McKinley
14. Colin Garland
15. Cale Morton
16. Jack Riewoldt

 

[Lance Uppercut]

1. Kieren Jack
2. Matthew Kruezer
3. Austin Wonaemirri
4. Jarryd Morton
5. Trent Cotchin
6. Rhys Palmer
7. Kyle Reimers
8. Garrick Ibbotson
9. Cyril Rioli
10. Bachar Houli
11. Josh Hill
12. Kurt Tippett
13. Ben McKinley
14. Colin Garland
15. Cale Morton
16. Jack Riewoldt

"Allllllrighty then!!"

 

[BW]

1. Trent Cotchin
2. Kurt Tippett
3. Matthew Kruezer
4. Nathan Brown
5. Bachar Houli
6. Rhys Palmer
7. Cyril Rioli
8. Garrick Ibbotson
9. Kieran Jack
10. Colin Garland
11. Ben McKinley
12. Jack Riewoldt
13. Kyle Reimers
14. Austin Wonaemirri
15. Josh Hill
16. Jarryd Morton

 

[Deep Blue]

You guys are all rating players on the seasons they are having. I'm ranking them on how I think they will end up. Obviously Rioli is having a better season than Houli, because Houli has been injured.

Houli has an amazing amount of scope for improvement. He was an absolute gun juniour footballer for Spotswood and will end up being better than Cyril.

The top four in that list will be amazing. Four absolute amazing midfielders of the future. Rioli won't be good enough to be a full time midfielder - he'll end up being a similar type player to Aaron Davey. Capable of being a match-winner on his day, but will be inconsistent.

Kreuzer will end up being no better than White, Gardiner or Fraser. They've all been fine players, but not in the class of Cox, Primus, Darcy, etc.

Look at Hille for Essendon this year - takes quite a while to develop as a top ruckman. Considering Kreuzer's very tender years I think your above statement is very brave - I suspect at the same age none of the above would have achieved as much as Kreuzer has in his first year. Kreuzer will play 250+ games for Carlton and will one day (15 years time) be spoken of in the same breath as Nicholls - brave statement eh?

 

[Ole Gill]

I find the digs at Kreuzer comical. He's 18 and the number one ruckman with ****ing C.Cloke to help him out. In all the circumstances, he's easily been the best after Cotchin and Palmer this year.

In terms of potential, I wouldn't trade him for either of those 2.

 

[Deep Blue]

A few points.

1. Why does Rioli need to become a midfielder? Hawks have plenty of mids and teams need a good crumbing mid. I mean sure Rioli would like to go through the midfield a la Stokes but he doesn't need to be a midfielder per se.

2. Kreuzer has to be top 3 on potential and performance. He's competing against ruckmen years older than him in his first year as a ruckman and doing well. Averaging about 8 taps or something a game which is more than decent for a ruckman. That's about 20 touches for a first year midfielder IMO.

3. I'm liking how people are rating Riewoldt highly. In reality, it's his third year and he's starting to show his worth and ability as a forward which is a pretty good effort.

4. Cotchin should be top two at the least for everyone. Has been a standout without a pre-season and has looked all class. If Kreuzer doesn't turn out to be a gun (I think he will though) the Kreuzer pick might turn out to be a poor decision. 200+ games is barring injury a certainty. Captain and brownlow a chance as well.

Very impressed with this bloke - better disposal than Palmer and has genuine Rolls Royce class: obvious even in the limited game time he's had due to injury; could easily become the top mid-fielder in the AFL in 3-4 years time, and for that reason he's #1 on my list at the moment. Very happy with the pick-up of Kreuzer (very mobile goal-scoring ruckman) as Carlton needs to improve its quality ruck stocks but certainly wouldn't have minded if we'd picked up the premium mid-fielder in Cotchin.

 

[X_box_X]

Look at Hille for Essendon this year - takes quite a while to develop as a top ruckman. Considering Kreuzer's very tender years I think your above statement is very brave - I suspect at the same age none of the above would have achieved as much as Kreuzer has in his first year. Kreuzer will play 250+ games for Carlton and will one day (15 years time) be spoken of in the same breath as Nicholls - brave statement eh?

Luke Livingston board.

 

[Haydos]

I find the digs at Kreuzer comical. He's 18 and the number one ruckman with ****ing C.Cloke to help him out. In all the circumstances, he's easily been the best after Cotchin and Palmer this year.

In terms of potential, I wouldn't trade him for either of those 2.

I know it takes time to develop young ruckman, but in reality, Kreuzer hasn't had much of an impact. Certainly no more then other young ruckman have had over the last few years. Kreuzer hasnt done any more then Warnock did last year.

 

[dyl_tigerman]

1. Trent Cotchin (superstar of the future)
2. Rhys Palmer (shining light in a dark team)
3. Bachar Houli (stepped up)
4. Cyril Rioli (dropped off a bit but all class)
5. Matthew Kreuzer (started slow but gor better)
6. Garrick Ibbotson (similar to palmer)
7. Kurt Tippet (good consistent season)
8. Nathan Brown (excellent start but gone quiet)
9. Ben McKinley (forward of the future)
10. Austin Wonaeamirri (could get better... not as good as everyone says)
11. Kyle Reimers (can run run run, arrogance and can back it up)
12. Jack Riewoldt (few games that have put him up there)
13. Jarryd Morton (inconsistent but good prospect)
14. Colin Garland (helped the backline for melbourne)
15. Josh Hill (will get better... not as good as some of his counterparts)
16. Kieran Jack (underated)

that around about how i see it

 

[Nightwolf]

Every Collingwood supporter has Cyril well down. Whatever, the bloke on this year is quite clearly 2nd. Easily top 5 for the future.

 

[Ole Gill]

I know it takes time to develop young ruckman, but in reality, Kreuzer hasn't had much of an impact. Certainly no more then other young ruckman have had over the last few years. Kreuzer hasnt done any more then Warnock did last year.

I think thats very unfair on Kreuzer. Watch him closely next time you see Carlton play - he may not be racking up Cox numbers yet, but some of the things he does are amazing, particularly when the ball is on the deck.

Whether he turns out as good as Cotchin is going to be is another matter, but those 2 and Palmer are the standouts.

 

[danzan22]

I don't understand the obsession with Riedwolt. He's played 1 good game against WC and the rest have been poor-average

 

[Haydos]

I think thats very unfair on Kreuzer. Watch him closely next time you see Carlton play - he may not be racking up Cox numbers yet, but some of the things he does are amazing, particularly when the ball is on the deck.

Whether he turns out as good as Cotchin is going to be is another matter, but those 2 and Palmer are the standouts.

I think you are confusing potential with current impact. I dont think anyone is doubting Kreuzers potential. Its seems inevitable that he will be a dominant ruckman for some time within a few years. But I don't think Kreuzer and Palmer are on the same page with regards to there impact to there respective teams this year.

 

[bomber69]

Houli is averaging the second most disposals of any rising star, what was with people claiming he was two high? He's injured, and before that he was playing great footy. 7 Clearances against Adelaide in a tight game not good enough?

 

[azza_24]

Rioli is miles ahead of houli who shouldn't ve in the top bracket. I'd also replace kruezer with reimers too. Kruezer has had one good game whereas reimers has been more consistent.

Houli deserves where he is on that list, he is a great player.

Cotchin I think should be in B grades. He just doesn't cut it at all.

Agree with you about Reimers though. SUPERSTAR.

 

[pazza]

Ranked on consistent performance over the year:

1. Cotchin
2. Palmer
3. Ibbotson
4. Reimers
5. Kreuzer
6. Jack
7. Rioli
8. Morton
9. Garland
10. Wonaeamirri
11. Brown
12. McKinley
13. Tippett
14. Houli
15. Riewoldt
16. Hill

 

[Checkers]

Cotchin I think should be in B grades. He just doesn't cut it at all.

lol

 

[Checkers]

I don't understand the obsession with Riedwolt. He's played 1 good game against WC and the rest have been poor-average

Watch a bit more footy mate, obviously you have no idea. He is only a 2nd year KPP and is doing well. Is currently 4th in total goals contributed of the rising stars behind Woneaemirri who is older and played more games, McKinley who is older and Rioli who is a freak and has played 4 more games.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

why does everyone rate the midfielders before the forwards/defenders?

It is a lot harder to hold your position in the forwardline and not be drawn to the play. It is even harder to dominate when you are remaining in a fixed position rather then following the ball around.

Also, why does Rioli need to become a midfielder? We recruited him as a forward. why abandon that plan and disrupt the forward line?

 

[Checkers]

Anyway

FWIW

What i think will be the top 5 in the rs at the end of the year

1. Cotchin
2. Palmer
3. Rioli
4. Kruezer
5. Reimers

But as we know the last few rounds will always be fresh in the selectors minds and if anyone picks up or drops off they could move up alot.

 

[bangko-bangko]

Palmer will win hands down, the guy has been the one of Freo's key midfielders and even copped a tag a few times. Cotchin hasn't had to lead Richmonds midfield.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

Guys, don't forget 18 months ago Andrew Raines came second in this award - Pearce first - and now Rainsey is about 5th in line to be delisted (is contracted though). Pearce isn't the "200 game certainty" we all thought either.

Point is, when people expect all of these players to be long-term guns they are being incredibly naive.

It would be fantastic for any player on this list to became just a solid, average, 150 gamer (excluding the couple of stars like Cotchin and Rioli). That would be a win.

I don't understand the obsession with Riedwolt. He's played 1 good game against WC and the rest have been poor-average

In a way you are right, he hasn't dominated many full games at all.

But the thing is, his football brain, brilliant marking ability and accurate goal conversion make him a sensational prospect.

What I like about him is he can set up 4-5 goals in a quarter and seem to be in every piece of play, yet when you look at the stats he had very few for the quarter. His influence from so few possessions is currently a sign of marked potential, and when he comes out with 17 possies and 5 goals he shoots into BOG while realising this potential.

So he's certainly not overrated.

Not for a teenage KPP anyway.