Ratten, good bad and indifferent

[blue healer]

axe him now or at end of season? Who replaces him now/then? What other changes occur at the club?
Who is making those yummy Muffins at Princes Park?
Nothing is ever simple

This is the most relevant question for me. Seems pretty simple to someone as simple as I that our assistants are as much a problem as the coach. While, reasonably, the buck stops with the coach I don't believe that every decision on structures, game plan and selections are made by Ratts alone. The others have bought into this and, if we are looking for an immediate replacement, they are definitely tarred with the same brush. Who among our assistants would you replace him with?

I have always been a supporter of Ratten and will continue to be until such a time as he is sacked and, if that is to happen. I would hope that it isn't mid season and is done in a manner that is in keeping with a man that is as navy blue as they come.

For what it's worth I think injuries are the biggest factor in our season to date and, while many point to injuries to the Pies and Eagles and say that it hasn't affected them, ours are far greater and a far greater spread than anyone else in the league. But injuries aren't the sole contributor to our season to date.

We have had no one stick their hand up from the 2's and say "you must pick me." Who's fault is that? The coach? The reserves coach? our recruitment people? I don't know the answer but it has been the big disappointment of the season for me and I think it was evident as early as the preseason where we went in with a plan to give everyone a chance. None took that chance.

Ratten has been crucified by many here for sticking with the 3 ruck policy. I don't agree with that criticism, Hampson should be a more than useful FF and Kruezer has been just another disappointment. But if we don't go with this at present what other options do we have?
Even with these guys in the team I can't remember us playing a team that we matched in tall numbers, we have been punching above our height and it is killing us.

The main criticism I have of the coaching staff is the continued reluctance to select a 3 tall forward line. In the absence of Waite, Mitchell, Rowe etc I think Thornton should never be out of our team.

To go into the game against Hawthorn replacing Henderson with Bootsma was suicidal. I don't like Bower too much and he wouldn't have won that game for us but should have been in that team given our outs.

Many seem to think we should now adopt a youth policy. We need to win as many games as we can as we can still make the eight but won't do it with kids who aren't ready. The policy we need to adopt IMO is a "best" policy ie. pick our best available team even if it means picking players who are out of favour and may not be part of our next flag. I'm not sure that anyone in the team now will be in our next flag team unless we can turn it around quick.

At the end of the season we need an in depth review of the whole football department. After that, and only after that, should a decision be made on the future of our coach.

 

[Silvagnis]

Couldn't agree more. I think Mick is the king at trying to put a subtle spin on things. I listened to interview on 3aw earlier today and couldn't help but giggle. He will do everything in his power to avoid answering questions directly about coaching again.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Malthouse state half way through last year on the footy show and towards the latter end of the season when asked about his future that he "expects to fulfil" his contract at Collingwood in the role of director of coaching? We all know how that ended up, don't we?

If you think that fire doesn't still burn for Mick Malthouse, then I honestly believe you're sadly mistaken.

Disagree.

The tone of his voice sounds like acceptance that he needs to move on and enjoy the rest of his footy life in the media.

The fire to coach footy would still burn in Ratten. That doesn't mean Ratts or any other coach wanting to hang on should still be a head coach. Even great coaches and premiership coaches have to be sacked because they have to be told when to retire. Sheedy went out kicking and screaming. It's hard for them to let go. Walls admitted that he shouldn't have taken the Richmond job. Parkin is probably the only great coach who left of his own volition and accepted our succession plan for Brittain.

 

[Red Bull]

The assumption should not be made that there will be a "this time around". I have never been an advocate for sacking a coach to appease an angry mob.

As I have already posted a number of times, I believe there may be a need for a full review of the club from top to bottom at the end of the season. If the review recommends changes to the coaching panel, then go for gold. This is the only reason any of the coaches should be removed. Knee jerk sacking of coaches is the behaviour of a club with no strategy & who make policy on the run. You don't achieve success that way.

Do you believe this should be an independant review ??
Including a full investigation into the process of the current senior coach's appointment ??

 

[blue gunslinger]

Do you believe this should be an independant review ??
Including a full investigation into the process of the current senior coach's appointment ??

who would be independant? A QC? It would have to be somebody from the footy world or a panel and everybody has an agenda or bias. Even Parko who was/is a big supporter of Ratts

 

[mediumsizered]

Do you believe this should be an independant review ??
Including a full investigation into the process of the current senior coach's appointment ??

Happy for an independent review, but preferably by a football person, not some accounting or legal 'guru'.

No point retrospectively looking at the appointment of Ratts, or any of the other coaching panel. Achieves nothing, much like looking at recruitment in hindsight.

Only those who were involved in the appointment of Ratts know what went on. There are some who would like to pretend they know all about it, but they are just playing with themselves. I was filthy at the way the Pagan sacking was brought about (particularly with certain players who still thought they were running the club) & did voice my concerns about whether automatically going with Ratts was the right thing to do, but the angry mob wanted a sacking & they got what they wanted. 5 years later the same angry mob want another sacking.

Sacking a coach & then appointing another one without a proper process in place can only end in tears, this is why those people who believe it should just be a straight swap, Ratten for Malthouse, are just wanting to repeat the process that they have been complaining about. Contradictory behaviour or what?

 

[Red Bull]

who would be independant? A QC? It would have to be somebody from the footy world or a panel and everybody has an agenda or bias. Even Parko who was/is a big supporter of Ratts

You will have to ask mediumsizered ....... its his review after all ??

The overwhelming majority of even handed supporters believe "seeing is believing"

 

[Krooooze]

Disagree.

The tone of his voice sounds like acceptance that he needs to move on and enjoy the rest of his footy life in the media.

The fire to coach footy would still burn in Ratten. That doesn't mean Ratts or any other coach wanting to hang on should still be a head coach. Even great coaches and premiership coaches have to be sacked because they have to be told when to retire. Sheedy went out kicking and screaming. It's hard for them to let go. Walls admitted that he shouldn't have taken the Richmond job. Parkin is probably the only great coach who left of his own volition and accepted our succession plan for Brittain.

The thing I don't get is, coaching is a job that requires 100% commitment and passion towards the job. If Mick is 50/50 about it, clearly that wouldn't stand him in good stead. If the tone of his voice suggests that he needs to move on, why wouldn't he nip it in the bud and rule coaching out?

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Only those who were involved in the appointment of Ratts know what went on. There are some who would like to pretend they know all about it, but they are just playing with themselves. I was filthy at the way the Pagan sacking was brought about (particularly with certain players who still thought they were running the club) & did voice my concerns about whether automatically going with Ratts was the right thing to do, but the angry mob wanted a sacking & they got what they wanted. 5 years later the same angry mob want another sacking.

The situation with Pagan left the club with no choice, as my hazy memory goes, we had just been beaten by 21 goals, and it was the third 100 point belting we had copped that year. We didn't have 2 pennies to rub together, the board was at each others throats, a huge faction divided the club, and poor old Princes Park had fallen into disrepair.

I'm not saying we give Ratten the heave-ho right now, however I would expect he can front the board with a plan for the rest of the year, and next year also.

 

[Red Bull]

Happy for an independent review, but preferably by a football person, not some accounting or legal 'guru'.

No point retrospectively looking at the appointment of Ratts, or any of the other coaching panel. Achieves nothing, much like looking at recruitment in hindsight.

Only those who were involved in the appointment of Ratts know what went on. There are some who would like to pretend they know all about it, but they are just playing with themselves. I was filthy at the way the Pagan sacking was brought about (particularly with certain players who still thought they were running the club) & did voice my concerns about whether automatically going with Ratts was the right thing to do, but the angry mob wanted a sacking & they got what they wanted. 5 years later the same angry mob want another sacking.

Sacking a coach & then appointing another one without a proper process in place can only end in tears, this is why those people who believe it should just be a straight swap, Ratten for Malthouse, are just wanting to repeat the process that they have been complaining about. Contradictory behaviour or what?

So we agree ... the last senior coaching appointment was conducted without proper process and will end in tears ,
We must not make the same mistake this time around ,
Glad we got there in the end !!

 

[blue gunslinger]

Happy for an independent review, but preferably by a football person, not some accounting or legal 'guru'.

No point retrospectively looking at the appointment of Ratts, or any of the other coaching panel. Achieves nothing, much like looking at recruitment in hindsight.

Only those who were involved in the appointment of Ratts know what went on. There are some who would like to pretend they know all about it, but they are just playing with themselves. I was filthy at the way the Pagan sacking was brought about (particularly with certain players who still thought they were running the club) & did voice my concerns about whether automatically going with Ratts was the right thing to do, but the angry mob wanted a sacking & they got what they wanted. 5 years later the same angry mob want another sacking.

Sacking a coach & then appointing another one without a proper process in place can only end in tears, this is why those people who believe it should just be a straight swap, Ratten for Malthouse, are just wanting to repeat the process that they have been complaining about. Contradictory behaviour or what?

deja vu MSR as we predicted and the same voices will never switch on

 

[JustaBattler]

Not convinced that Ratten is at fault. However - a Coach is always the convenient scapegoat.

I am bitterly disappointed - bitterly disappointed - however injuries this year have seen too many of our best and hardest not available. No coach can make up for the experience and fight and talent we lose when:

Laidler/Carrazzzo/Murphy/Waite are out - and Judd/Kreuzer/Yarran are playing injured or no where near 100% and three potential forward tall targets are all inured etc etc etc

yes I hate using injuries as an excuse- but much as I hate it - it is a fact that at THIS current stage of total list development - CFC has not had too many of our top10 players available and on the paddock week in week out around which to develop younger players.

Ratten has been cruelled by circumstance - and each loss just serve to bring out the worst in some players endeavor or lack thereof. I get the feeling watching - that the playing group have no belief in 2012.

 

[mediumsizered]

So we agree ... the last senior coaching appointment was conducted without proper process and will end in tears ,
We must not make the same mistake this time around ,
Glad we got there in the end !!

I have never said otherwise about the appointment of Ratts. If you were around in 2007 you would know how I felt about the whole process. But the coach sackers wanted a sacrifice & they got one & Ratts was given the job. Now the coach sackers want another sacrifice & they want to give the job to Malthouse. Where's the proper process in this?

Sacking coaches should only occur at the completion of a season & on the back of proper review of the entire football club & should be a last resort.

Those people who believe we are a Top 4 team (some have decided a premiership team) need to be a little bit more realistic about our playing list. It is very good at the top end, but it doesn't bat very deep. Down beyond 25/26 we are quite weak. This isn't necessarily a coaching issue, perhaps a development issue & we have a number of specialist development people at the club now, who perhaps aren't doing the job. This is why you don't just sack the coach, because there are other aspects of the club that must be given consideration. I can understand though that some people like to go for the quick easy solution. They are the ones who applauded the sacking of Pagan & the appointment of Ratts.

 

[ESKIE]

I have never said otherwise about the appointment of Ratts. If you were around in 2007 you would know how I felt about the whole process. But the coach sackers wanted a sacrifice & they got one & Ratts was given the job. Now the coach sackers want another sacrifice & they want to give the job to Malthouse. Where's the proper process in this?

Sacking coaches should only occur at the completion of a season & on the back of proper review of the entire football club & should be a last resort.

Those people who believe we are a Top 4 team (some have decided a premiership team) need to be a little bit more realistic about our playing list. It is very good at the top end, but it doesn't bat very deep. Down beyond 25/26 we are quite weak. This isn't necessarily a coaching issue, perhaps a development issue & we have a number of specialist development people at the club now, who perhaps aren't doing the job. This is why you don't just sack the coach, because there are other aspects of the club that must be given consideration. I can understand though that some people like to go for the quick easy solution. They are the ones who applauded the sacking of Pagan & the appointment of Ratts.

Makes sense !

 

[blue gunslinger]

I have never said otherwise about the appointment of Ratts. If you were around in 2007 you would know how I felt about the whole process. But the coach sackers wanted a sacrifice & they got one & Ratts was given the job. Now the coach sackers want another sacrifice & they want to give the job to Malthouse. Where's the proper process in this?

Sacking coaches should only occur at the completion of a season & on the back of proper review of the entire football club & should be a last resort.

Those people who believe we are a Top 4 team (some have decided a premiership team) need to be a little bit more realistic about our playing list. It is very good at the top end, but it doesn't bat very deep. Down beyond 25/26 we are quite weak. This isn't necessarily a coaching issue, perhaps a development issue & we have a number of specialist development people at the club now, who perhaps aren't doing the job. This is why you don't just sack the coach, because there are other aspects of the club that must be given consideration. I can understand though that some people like to go for the quick easy solution. They are the ones who applauded the sacking of Pagan & the appointment of Ratts.

would love to re-read some of those threads. You remember all the furore when so and so had been seen arriving at somebody's door and this guy had it in the bag. It is going to be another circus

 

[Stig O'Hara]

would love to re-read some of those threads. You remember all the furore when so and so had been seen arriving at somebody's door and this guy had it in the bag. It is going to be another circus

Well, hang on, as I pull a band-aid off an old wound, Pagan had been trotting out his used car salesman routine for years, and we were copping some utter thumpings, he wasn't even talking to his assistant Barry Mitchell, who had set up office on the other side of the ground. I mean how ridiculous was that?

Ratten got the job, did the right thing by the club, played the list, tanked, whatever, and 2 years later we are in the finals.

The great debate now is whether he can take the club that extra step.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

So many delusional suppporters on here, I'm starting to wonder if they really are Carlton supporters or trolls trying to piss people off even more. How anybody can think it's fine and we'll bounce back next year if we change nothing is beyond me. My favourite are the fools carrying on about how Geelong stuck with Thompson and it turned out great for them. They fail to realise there have been so many coaches that clubs have stuck with that stuffed them up for the next 5 years. Essendon got rid of Knights because it was obvious he had no clue and spent a shit load of cash to get the right people into the coaching department and they're now reaping the rewards. This is a team we beat by 10 goals in the finals last year.

FACT: Of our best 22, 4 players have improved on last year: Henderson, Carrazzo, Touhy and Hampson (but lbh, he didn't have to do much to improve). Carrots and Hendo have missed a fair share of games. That means that Judd, Kreuzer, Yarran, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Jamison, Betts, Garlett, Waite, Robinson, Scotland, Walker, Duigan, Armfield, Curnow & Thornton have gone backwards or haven't improved. Laidler gets a pass because he did well in his 3 games but copped that knee injury ever since.

Now some of those have been injured but they've still played enough games to see where they're heading:

Judd - limited pre season, well below his best.
Murphy - started well, but dropped off quite badly since Bombers game.
Kreuzer - seems to be hampered, but that shouldn't be an excuse if it was that bad he wouldn't be playing.
Gibbs - as soft as ever, as soon as we are challenged physically he disappears into the night. Non existent when team really needed him to have impact after Carrots and Murph injuries.
Simpson - has had some good games but has also had some really poor ones.
Jamison - nowhere near his 2011 form.
Betts - been good, battled hard with crap delivery but not enough evidence to say whether he has improved.
Garlett - bordering being traded. Non existent for the most part. Had that "how dare he" look on his face when Robbo soccered the goal instead of letting it bounce last Fri night. Piss poor attitude.
Waite - another injury riddles season, but when he was playing wasn't impressive.
Robinson - still lacks discipline at times, just bombs the ball forward making most of his I50 entries worthless. Also not having as much impact as expected.
Scotland - fumbling a LOT. Maybe has something to do with his court case or maybe he's past it now...
Walker - selfish play, not having an impact well below last year's effort.
Duigan - serviceable at best.
Armfield - been ok in some games but nothing really to get excited about.
Curnow - very ineffective user of the ball. Not able to keep his spot.
Thornton - not able to keep his spot.
Yarran - been injured that is obvious BUT his attitude is bothering. Second qtr on Fri kicks a goal when we're still about 25 points down. Smiling and sticking tongue out.

So with all of these players from our best 22 NOT performing it is quite obvious why we are sitting out of the top 8.

The question must be asked, WHY?

Why have ALL of the above players dropped off or stagnated? The players are not playing with any desire and that is Ratten's fault. Sure some of the onus has to go to the players and I suspect there are many Carlton suppporters pissed off at many of them. I'm VERY aggrevated about Gibbs, Garlett, Lucas and Walker. 3 of those 4 have PROVEN they have what it takes to win games of football and all 3 of them have outright sucked this year. That 4th guy is hopeless. Our midfield was crying for added class when Murph got injured and instead we had to look to McLean and Ellard because this guy has not got the work ethic and is another softy on the field.

But I cannot be aggrevated with all of them and put the blame solely on them. His outside game plan has been exposed and we are now in the shit because of it. The recruiting has been ok but not great. A lot of flanker types. We put all our eggs in one basket in that 2010 draft where we went all out KPP which is wrong way to do it and we stuffed up really bad in 09. We gave up pick 11 to get an inside mid but failed to realise that his pace was not up to scratch at AFL level THEN with pick 12 we get another soft outside mid as if we didn't have enough. Talia seems to be getting into stride at Adelaide now, he's certainly doing more than Lucas and it is well documented that KPP's take longer to develop than mids. We should've been looking to our future instead of poaching players from shit teams like Melbourne. We should've kept pick 11 and used pick 12 more wisely. Then after having Kreuzer, Hampson and Jacobs, we went and poached Warnock, another player struggling in an average team using pick 24. There were a lot of decent players available between pick 24 and 40 that we could've got. Shaun McKernan is one of them. Had we got Shaun and Talia we would've had some KPP DEPTH and we still would've had pick 11 or 12 to pick up someone better than Lucas. There is a REASON people like him slip, the other clubs must've identified his poor attitude. We didn't need Warnock at the time and as it turns out Jacobs is in better form than all 3 of our rucks.

The recruiting hasn't been the biggest problem though, there are always mistakes to be made there. Our biggest problem is the lack of effort on the field. Teams are scoring FAR FAR too easily against us on the rebound. Tells you one thing, too many downhill skiiers and mids not working hard enough. Fri night was a perfect example of this, Duigan runs to the wing, helps create an attack, ball rebounds out and he's nowhere to be found in our defense. Nick's not the only one guilty of this though too many examples to point out, but was obvious in the Bombers game and against the Saints we were exposed on the rebound badly. When Murphy went down in the Crows game instead of stepping up, they gave up.

They are not playing with any motivation, desire or hunger. There are players that obviously don't give a stuff as long as they collect their pay slip. in the mean time Ratten keeps coming up with his bullshit analysis, saying the same shit everytime we lose "we need to work on contested possessions and clearances" yet we kept losing in those areas until we played guess who... Melbourne. After that game we went back to the same shit.

Ratts has got to go, we need to bring in someone who will give the players the right direction because we know they're talented enough we got proof of that from last year and we need to do it asap.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Well, hang on, as I pull a band-aid off an old wound, Pagan had been trotting out his used car salesman routine for years, and we were copping some utter thumpings, Ratten got the job, did the right thing by the club, played the list, tanked, whatever, and 2 years later we are in the finals.

The great debate now is whether he can take the club that extra step.

Sorry I may not have explained. I was against getting rid of Pagan for the sake of it unless there was a better option however all the talk about lack of development etc finally convinced me we HAD to make a move regardless. Brits was a similar saga and Pagan was the Messiah then
BUT I was referring to the media frenzy leading up to his firing and then the circus of the new appointment as it played out. We must have had record posting numbers during that time as well as everybody had their say on every contender.
Ratts came in to a very tough gig and was very green. He has come along way as has the team. Certainly by the grim look on the face of Sticks I think he will be a worried man.
Would not surprise me if Jack bobs up and has his say this week.
Again CFC in the news for all the wrong reasons
We just want a flag-is it too much to ask?!!!

 

[Stig O'Hara]

.
Would not surprise me if Jack bobs up and has his say this week.

Yep, they'll get him on the Footy Show after a boozy Thursday lunch, and it will be on for young and old.

Man I love footy.

 

[Red Bull]

I have never said otherwise about the appointment of Ratts. If you were around in 2007 you would know how I felt about the whole process. But the coach sackers wanted a sacrifice & they got one & Ratts was given the job. Now the coach sackers want another sacrifice & they want to give the job to Malthouse. Where's the proper process in this?

Sacking coaches should only occur at the completion of a season & on the back of proper review of the entire football club & should be a last resort.

Those people who believe we are a Top 4 team (some have decided a premiership team) need to be a little bit more realistic about our playing list. It is very good at the top end, but it doesn't bat very deep. Down beyond 25/26 we are quite weak. This isn't necessarily a coaching issue, perhaps a development issue & we have a number of specialist development people at the club now, who perhaps aren't doing the job. This is why you don't just sack the coach, because there are other aspects of the club that must be given consideration. I can understand though that some people like to go for the quick easy solution. They are the ones who applauded the sacking of Pagan & the appointment of Ratts.

If you read my post (239) you will see im not advocating Malthouse or anyone else as the next man for the job .
I and the vast majority of Carlton people believe that Ratten isnt the coach to take the club forward .
The thing the people expect of the administration is proper process in the next appointment .

As for the people who believe we should be a top 4 side this year , well ..... look no further than the club itself as friday nights channel 7 promo highlighted !!!

 

[dumb]

Now some of those have been injured but they've still played enough games to see where they're heading:

So with all of these players from our best 22 NOT performing it is quite obvious why we are sitting out of the top 8.

i'm not going to go into the coach stuff again but i wanted to disagree with some of the players, though a few i agree with.

hampson was one of the most improved players early in the year, but form has gone.
tuohy looks to have improved and is probably better off for the games he's getting, but didn't have a great night last night. inconsistent again.
mclean is an improvement from last year. you wouldn't say he has returned what we invested but he's now getting games and contributing decently.
watson has come in and done well enough seeing as he hasn't played many games.
garlett really dropped off, though i wouldn't think about trading him just yet. he suffers as much as anyone with our dysfunctional forward line.
russell nowhere to be found... i'd like to think he could come in and let at least one of the midfielders play middle again.
waite played very well early but injury has taken care of our best forward marking option.

a few players look to be out of position, for whatever reason which has influenced output. walker not playing forward for example. yarran floats around everywhere rather than taking kickouts as i would personally like, and no longer seems to be playing half back/pocket.

 

[40yearBLUE]

So many delusional suppporters on here, I'm starting to wonder if they really are Carlton supporters or trolls trying to piss people off even more. y Carlton suppporters pissed off at many of them. I'm VERY aggrevated about Gibbs, Garlett, Lucas and Walker. 3 of those 4 have PROVEN they have what it takes to win games of football and all 3 of them have outright sucked this year. .

Such a pile of stinking bullshit it hardly deserves comment. But I am a sucker for punishment.
Do you have the first idea about logic? Any at all, or do you just spew the thoughts out in random order and hope they somehow make some sense?

You whine that Essendon cleaned house and got a dream team coaching panel and look at them now and mention we smashed them last year......with the bloke coaching that you now want to sack.

You whine about players such as Walker and Garlett that lead our goal kicking last year and I can only assume you blame the coach? You are aggrieved that they have proven they can play and are having a poor year, if you apply the same logic you apply to the coach (except you are loathe to admit he has proved he can coach, despite taking us from finishing bottom 4 five out of six years previous to him taking over to finishing top 8 3 out of 4 years since) then they ought to be delisted or traded along with all the others on your list that have underachieved this year. Judd, Murph, Kruze, Gibbs you even find a way to be critical of Eddie.........you are so full of hate that your posts are bordering on the lunatic now.

Larfing my ass off that you can even find a way to criticize Robbo for soccering a goal....I can only imagine the kind of whinging he would have got had he let it bounce and it didnt bounce through only to have a defender tap it through......yep, as I thought, you have so much bile inside you it has reached all the way to what is left of your common sense. Soccering it through was the percentage play. It does not matter in a team game where everyone is playing for each other not themselves who's boot the goal comes off, but somehow you can construe this action as being selfish....the mind just boggles at your lack of clear thinking.

 

[Tanks_Alot]

i'm not going to go into the coach stuff again but i wanted to disagree with some of the players, though a few i agree with.

hampson was one of the most improved players early in the year, but form has gone.
tuohy looks to have improved and is probably better off for the games he's getting, but didn't have a great night last night. inconsistent again.
mclean is an improvement from last year. you wouldn't say he has returned what we invested but he's now getting games and contributing decently.
watson has come in and done well enough seeing as he hasn't played many games.
garlett really dropped off, though i wouldn't think about trading him just yet. he suffers as much as anyone with our dysfunctional forward line.
russell nowhere to be found... i'd like to think he could come in and let at least one of the midfielders play middle again.
waite played very well early but injury has taken care of our best forward marking option.

a few players look to be out of position, for whatever reason which has influenced output. walker not playing forward for example. yarran floats around everywhere rather than taking kickouts as i would personally like, and no longer seems to be playing half back/pocket.

I said from our best 22. McLean, Watson and Russell are not part of that group. Garlett's attitude has sucked, big time. Hampson although has dropped off, is still beter than last year. Same with Touhy.

 

[40yearBLUE]

If you read my post (239) you will see im not advocating Malthouse or anyone else as the next man for the job .
I and the vast majority of Carlton people believe that Ratten isnt the coach to take the club forward .
The thing the people expect of the administration is proper process in the next appointment .

As for the people who believe we should be a top 4 side this year , well ..... look no further than the club itself as friday nights channel 7 promo highlighted !!!

Where do you get this vast majority from. PROVE IT. It might be a majority of big footy whiners, but I see no evidence of it being a vast majority of members. Prove it.

 

[blue gunslinger]

If you read my post (239) you will see im not advocating Malthouse or anyone else as the next man for the job .
I and the vast majority of Carlton people believe that Ratten isnt the coach to take the club forward .
The thing the people expect of the administration is proper process in the next appointment .

As for the people who believe we should be a top 4 side this year , well ..... look no further than the club itself as friday nights channel 7 promo highlighted !!!

top 4
OK is there a person who has a gig at the Olympics who does not strive to win gold but is there just to make up the numbers,,.you set loft goals and then try to reach them. It was a message to say we have progressed from wanting to not win a spoon, to making finals , to winning finals and then now we push to win a flag. Did we believe we had a flag gifted to us-no. It was what the team and fans looked fwd to.

 

[dumb]

I said from our best 22. McLean, Watson and Russell are not part of that group. Garlett's attitude has sucked, big time. Hampson although has dropped off, is still beter than last year. Same with Touhy.

fair enough. but keep in mind it pays to think of the improvement / or lack of across the whole list. depth, etc etc.