Preview Rd 15 Carlton vs Richmond Friday 10th July 7.50pm @ MCG - Team post #416

[Cringle]

Couldn't agree more. Did some really good things on the weekend, would be disappointed if he was dropped before others.

Such as?

 

[F_therest]

Tuggers most likely without Griffiths(inj) and possibly Maric(susp)

Will see what the wash up is injury wise after tonight.
I think Boek and Whiley may struggle to keep there spots though.

Those are actually some pretty big outs.

Griffiths completes the 3 talls set up which could have stretched us while Maric is a competitor and their only real no. 1 ruck man...who replaces him? Hampson?

 

[Jatz]

Such as?

Whiley and Boeky the obvious two.

I don't necessarily want them gone but they need to go before Tutt on Saturday night's effort.

 

[Magruder]

Whiley to play twos for the rest of the year. has plenty to work on, but some fair tools also.

Good old fashioned apprenticeship required

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Whiley and Boeky the obvious two.

I don't necessarily want them gone but they need to go before Tutt on Saturday night's effort.

At least somebody looks at it the same way as I do.

I still have faith that they can find their way into the side in the next few years, but as of now they are only liabilities.
Gibbs for Boekhorst. Carrazzo for Whiley.

Hope Holman can stay in though. Seems to be doing alright.

 

[BM123]

Whiley and Boeky the obvious two.

I don't necessarily want them gone but they need to go before Tutt on Saturday night's effort.

Whiley sure. Boekhurst no.

Tutt skills are average at best, he doesn't break the lines and he is terribly soft. In a low scoring game he seemed keen to avoid impacting any contest meaningfully around our defensive 50.

He's a battler with questionable defensive effort. Why would we continue playing him when he is already 24 years old?

No more Aaron Joseph, David Ellard, Andy Collins types please.

 

[Jatz]

Whiley sure. Boekhurst no.

Tutt skills are average at best, he doesn't break the lines and he is terribly soft. In a low scoring game he seemed keen to avoid impacting any contest meaningfully around our defensive 50.

He's a battler with questionable defensive effort. Why would we continue playing him when he is already 24 years old?

No more Aaron Joseph, David Ellard, Andy Collins types please.

He did that a hell of a lot more than Blaine did on the weekend.

Don't think his effort was questionable at all. I'd much sooner have him get 18 disposals and a goal than what some of the others dished up.

Not everyone is going to be a gun player...

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Whiley sure. Boekhurst no.

Tutt skills are average at best, he doesn't break the lines and he is terribly soft. In a low scoring game he seemed keen to avoid impacting any contest meaningfully around our defensive 50.

He's a battler with questionable defensive. Why would we continue playing him when he is already 24 years old?

Unless he is made the sub for the next few games. Playing him is like we are a man down. Sloppy with the ball and scared of getting tackled.
He is not going to get a regular go at it until next year unfortunately. And it is disappointing given the fact that he is a mature-age draftee.

Agree with Tutt though. He did a good job on Saturday but he looks too frightened with ball in hand.

 

[Magruder]

No more Andy Collins types please.

Blasphemer

 

[Jatz]

Oh and by the way, Tutt laid 5 tackles - Blaine laid 1.

If you want to talk effort, there's the obvious omission from this week's game.

 

[BM123]

He did that a hell of a lot more than Blaine did on the weekend.

Don't think his effort was questionable at all. I'd much sooner have him get 18 disposals and a goal than what some of the others dished up.

Not everyone is going to be a gun player...

Boekhurst's fourth game in a low scoring game where the Dogs flooded space.

Tutt 24 year old and his tackling is poor. As a outside runner in his physical prime his grand total of one inside 50 really helped out. Curnow had 28 touches and I'd still say his game was poor.

Why play Tutt over Boekhurst when we are rebuilding Jatz?

With Gibbs, Carazzo, Docherty, Rowe, Menzel all around the mark I think he is a easy out.

 

[BM123]

Oh and by the way, Tutt laid 5 tackles - Blaine laid 1.

If you want to talk effort, there's the obvious omission from this week's game.

Stats don't show his massive squibs though.

I thought we were over playing soft, poorly skilled types who offer nothing long term?

Boekhurst as a younger kid outperforms Tutt in the VFL. Give him time and he'll easily pass him in the seniors too.

 

[jimsta10]

hate to say this but, I cannot wait to get back our old timers..Cant stand loosing to this mob.....

 

[Jatz]

Boekhurst's fourth game in a low scoring game where the Dogs flooded space.

Tutt 24 year old and his tackling is poor. As a outside runner in his physical prime his grand total of one inside 50 really helped out. Curnow had 28 touches and I'd still say his game was poor.

Why play Tutt over Boekhurst when we are rebuilding Jatz?

With Gibbs, Carazzo, Docherty, Rowe, Menzel all around the mark I think he is a easy out.

So we should disregard Tutt because he's a couple of years older than Boekhurst?

Tutt was playing all over the park. How could you possibly say that Blaine had a bigger impact than Tutt.

Just because he's younger, doesn't automatically qualify him to more game time in my book.

Stats don't show his massive squibs though.

I thought we were over playing soft, poorly skilled types who offer nothing long term?

Boekhurst as a younger kid outperforms Tutt in the VFL. Give him time and he'll easily pass him in the seniors too.

Where was Blaine around the contest? He certainly wasn't interested in getting anywhere near the hard work.

Tutt is just an easy target. At the moment, Tutt provides us with one less passenger than Blaine does. Simple as that.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

I'd be dropping Curnow...

 

[BM123]

So we should disregard Tutt because he's a couple of years older than Boekhurst?

Tutt was playing all over the park. How could you possibly say that Blaine had a bigger impact than Tutt.

Just because he's younger, doesn't automatically qualify him to more game time in my book.


Where was Blaine around the contest? He certainly wasn't interested in getting anywhere near the hard work.

Tutt is just an easy target. At the moment, Tutt provides us with one less passenger than Blaine does. Simple as that.

Blaine was one kid among many who didn't play well. Add more senior players into the team and Boekhurst will find it easier. Remember we are rebuilding and the kids need games.
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Tutt's 24. Huge difference in fitness and games played between them makes a huge difference. I never claimed Blaine made a bigger impact but he offers far more long term.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Blaine was one kid among many who didn't play well. Add more senior players into the team and Boekhurst will find it easier. Remember we are rebuilding and the kids need games.
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Tutt's 24. Huge difference in fitness and games played between them makes a huge difference. I never claimed Blaine made a bigger impact but he offers far more long term.

Gotta keep Boek.
Look at the change in Graham and Buckley after getting a decent run at a few games.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Omitting Cameron Wood is risky.

Dropping him would mean that Kreuzer has to be our main ruck, which also means Casboult has to push up field.
And what happens if Everitt doesn't get through this week's training? The forward line is then stuffed.

I'd be dropping Curnow...

Fair enough.

But before Boekhorst, Whiley and Johnson? Yeah nah.

Blaine was one kid among many who didn't play well. Add more senior players into the team and Boekhurst will find it easier. Remember we are rebuilding and the kids need games.
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Tutt's 24. Huge difference in fitness and games played between them makes a huge difference. I never claimed Blaine made a bigger impact but he offers far more long term.

What do you think Holman, Cripps, Graham, Menzel, Buckley and Docherty are? Ham sandwiches? Rebuilding takes time you know.
Plus adding a few more that will be making regular appearance next year since Carrazzo, Walker and Armfield might not last that long.

If we play any more over some of our more experienced players, people would think that we are tanking.

Boekhorst, Whiley and Johnson were never meant to come into the side anyway. They were just there to replace the injured players.

 

[BM123]

Boekhurt's VFL form warranted selection.

He wasn't gifted a game.

 

[FoeverBlues]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-match-review-panel-bans-20150706-gi5uum.html

The chances of Maric's striking report being thrown out are set to be hindered by footage showing he took his focus off the ruck contest and instead towards his right, from where Steele was running in from. Maric raised his right elbow and made contact to Steele's head before returning his focus to the boundary throw-in.

The conduct grading will determine the ruckman's availability for Tigers, as classifications of high contact and low impact seem assured, the latter because Steele got up straight away. If careless, he will likely escape with a fine. If, however, it is intentional - because he was looking at Steele the whole time - it would trigger a two-match ban that could be cut to one.

Another key Tiger, Trent Cotchin, will be scrutinised for his late, high spoil on the Giants' Zac Williams. Even though the captain made contact with his inner arm to the head of Williams the panel could decide the 50-metre penalty paid against him on the night was sufficient punishment.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Where was Blaine around the contest? He certainly wasn't interested in getting anywhere near the hard work.

Tutt is just an easy target. At the moment, Tutt provides us with one less passenger than Blaine does. Simple as that.

I think you'll find he was exactly where he was told to be - in a little bit of space waiting to get a receive from our inside players.

Problem was we reverted a bit to our old "blind bomb" tactics when clearing from stoppages, probably because of the pressure applied by the young Doggies midfield. Boeky will be most effective playing like Shiels or Hill at Hawthorn, loose and wide of the play, and able to use his pace to slingshot up the ground when we switch the ball. He was probably too close to the contest on Saturday - not quite in the middle of it, but close enough that when he got the ball he was immediately pressured by multiple opposition players.

Tutt is an interesting one. Probably has some of the same deficiencies as Boekhorst - a little shy of physical contact when he's got the ball (although he is more comfortable when chasing another bloke with the pill), and lacking composure in traffic. Would actually rather see him flitting around the forward line and trying to lose his man in the traffic, rather than following the play all over the ground.

Would prefer Boekhorst get a couple of games ahead of Tutt for now, to allow the coaches to get a really good idea of where he's at. Whether that's 2, 3 or more additional games, I'm not fussed, but I don't mind him then spending the remainder of the season back in the VFL working on specific aspects of his game. Tutt can then come back in for the last few rounds if required.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Omitting Cameron Wood is risky.

Dropping him would mean that Kreuzer has to be our main ruck, which also means Casboult has to push up field.
And what happens if Everitt doesn't get through this week's training? The forward line is then stuffed.



Fair enough.

But before Boekhorst, Whiley and Johnson? Yeah nah.



What do you think Holman, Cripps, Graham, Menzel, Buckley and Docherty are? Ham sandwiches? Rebuilding takes time you know.
Plus adding a few more that will be making regular appearance next year since Carrazzo, Walker and Armfield might not last that long.

If we play any more over some of our more experienced players, people would think that we are tanking.

Boekhorst, Whiley and Johnson were never meant to come into the side anyway. They were just there to replace the injured players.

Don't "yeah, nah" me.
Curnow might have gotten a lot of touch on Saturday but his turnovers come at crucial times. He's a momentum killer.
Boekhorst and Johnson's VFL form warrants persistence at AFL level, particularly Boekhorst. I'm iffy on Whiley but that's because he's had little pre-season and it wouldn't hurt him to run around in the VFL a bit longer.

Curnow has his limitations and they're starting to really get under my skin now. He can't kick.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Boekhurt's VFL form warranted selection.

He wasn't gifted a game.

I'm not taking away what he has done in the VFL. But if none of the 5 players that came out of the side injured, I believe that the team would have been left unchanged for the Bulldogs match.

 

[F_therest]

Sore back/General soreness.
Hope he's right to go.

aka we wanted to swap Rowe for Tutt for some extra run since the dogs had barely any tall forwards

 

[teknodeejay]

What's the deal with Everitt and Cripps? Likely to play or not?

I don't think we can beat Richmond with the form they're in, but I hope the boys give it a dip. I can see a bit of a smacking happening, actually. Just the state of how both teams are going.

IN Gibbs is a good certainty to have. OUT for either Everitt or Cripps is bad but if they're no good you don't play em.

What's the bet we don't see Docherty back this week either. What's Carrazzo's status?

You can argue to persist with the Blaines. Each should probably be given 3 games before being out.