Autopsy Rd 2 vs Melbourne Blues go down by 1 point after disastrous first half

[The Old Dark Navy's]

To be updated. Have at it.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

What has happened to Matt Kennedy? Thought he played some good games last year and hit the scoreboard. Bit of a worry if he is fit and not getting a game.

 

[passmark]

Is there a report on yesterday’s scratch match somewhere?

 

[Blueing]

PC? Wtf?

Political correctness Thylacine

 

[Arr0w]

I thought Weitering was our best yesterday.

Completely agree, he is coming of age

Thank **** the unofficial match committee never traded him

 

[chunkylover53]

Was Fisher injured/crook or didn't get a game?

 

[Aphrodite]

Is there a report on yesterday’s scratch match somewhere?

Reserves wrap: Practice match v Melbourne

A look at yesterday's 14-aside scratch match against Melbourne.

www.carltonfc.com.au

 

[Press Box Wing]

Our backline was very good for the whole game - first quarter goals were mostly not their fault - midfield was getting smashed in the contest and on the spread - those goals were on them.

That starting midfield mix has to change IMO. Cripps is a star but every team is focused on tactics to negate his influence at stoppages - it will always be hard for him early. Ed is in there to stop someone else so his mindset is negative - he is not hunting the ball. Which leaves Murph, a smaller mid who appears to be unwilling or unable to effectively tackle anymore. Murph is still really valuable to this team as a link up player - but at his age, with his injury history - he is not the guy to be in there when the heat is really on. Who replaces him? Not sure but we need to find someone - maybe JSOS or Martin in the short term? Hopefully Stocker, Kemp, Charlie, Dow provide more answers down the track.

Willo in for Newman; JSOS for Lang; ... and LOB or Philp in for Newnes (won't happen).

 

[ParapMarkets]

Sticks would have been thinking of his miss to win the game against * in 93. God knows how many times I saw Johnno fu** up shots at goal.

Sticks had some absolute stinkers in front of goal. It was a bizarre comparison

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Agreed. I think we are far enough into the rebuild now we can question the strategy.

2015 was a gimme, with so many players leaving, so we were always bringing in early picks, but we arguably didn’t need to trade Gibbs or Tuohy, and would have benefited far more from their 4 years of mentorship and performance than the output we got from players we got from those trades, none of which played in the first 2 rounds.

I still think we have a couple of years until we find out. If only one of Setterfield, Dow or LOB had came on as quickly as we liked we win yesterday. What I will say is that if halfway through 2016 when we already had our spine on our list, I was told Cripps, Murphy and Curnow would still be doing virtually all of the heavy lifting in the midfield I would have thought something has gone very wrong.
If you look at yesterday’s team we have only brought in Martin, Walsh, McGovern and SPS who are preforming at any substantial level. (Generous to McGovern)
We would’ve had picks ~1,3,3,5,19,21,21,23 from that period simply by our ladder position. That’s not including trading out Touhy and Gibbs and having a heap of salary cap room, so much that we took “salary dumps.”

It’s going to be interesting to see how it plays out and I’m very confident it will work out well but if it doesn’t I doubt we see a rebuild done the same for a very long time.

 

[GudOnya]

Meh, disappointing but what can you do.
Few positives to take out of it at least, if we can stop the bleeding in the first quarter and put some heat on oppo's we're looking a lot better than we have in the last few years.
I think Kemp could have a real impact for us when he comes in, another big body in the centre square mix could really help us set the tone early, even if he's only in there for bursts early on.

Also was pleasantly surprised this morning, after reading most of this last night, that the world hasn't in fact ended.

 

[Earls Smother]

There is very little we could have done with the kind of ruck dominance Gawn was having at that period of time. The players were second to the ball because of this, and bigger bodies aren’t going to prevent quick exits from stoppages.

What we should have done was either changed our ruck setup or instructed our mids to lock down and not worry about hunting the ball, which is what they were attempting to do, but we’re getting out positioned and out manoeuvred at each stoppage.

There’s always a tendency to think going in harder or selecting big bodied players is going to be a silver bullet (neither Lang or Newnes play as inside mids do I’m not sure what their inclusion had to do with us being smash at the stoppages in the first quarter?) but it was up to Teague to change something, and he couldn’t deliver.

Even in our worst days I would think things along the lines of "if we swapped this player to us, how much difference would it make". Remember doing it with Gaff when WC beat us by 10 points at the G a couple of years ago.
If Gawn played for us yesterday we would have absolutely destroyed them. That is not a criticism of Pittonet, but an indication that we are not far away at all.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Stocker not even mentioned worries me.

Me too...

 

[HBF]

At least we found a ruckman, so there's that.

And TDK developing nicely as well.

 

[chunkylover53]

And TDK developing nicely as well.

Ironically, guys like Pittonet, Gibbons and TDK are going to overtake their higher-rated (and arguably more talented) teammates.

Difference is guys like these have had to scrap and earn every game they get, so anything less than 100% is a disappointment in themselves personally. I want more of these guys.

 

[JustaBattler]

Kick straight and we win by 3-5 goals. Very, very disappointed with Cripps in particular. 1 set shot out of 3 from our captain in such a crucial time is not leadership material. I’m filthy, and can only imagine what a Wayne Johnston or a Stephen Kernahan or a any other ex-captain would have been thinking.

Cripps is a very ordinary kick and will always be - the sad thing is that he isn't the worst at it. Harry's kicking has gone from really good to consistently shyte - that is a real problem. How many shanks did the side put together going at goals from relatively easy positions? and how many balls hit the posts - I counted three including Weitering's beauty from 55 meters out.

If I was Melbourne coach I would be S****ng bricks after yesterday - as soon as Carlton players starting actually blocking exits from ball ups - they had nothing except Petracca. We carried Setterfield/Newnes for most of the match and lost by a point- as I have been saying for a while now - it is all up to Teague and his match com to pick some blokes with better skills and more mongrel - there is no shying away from the fact that some favourites atm - are bog ordinary players. Cripps has to be a better captain of midfield btw - it is on him to make sure we dont get pantsed on center bounces - he could start by telling Murph to go play wing or something - Murphy is in lala land thinking he has a few years to go playing - he looked and played cooked yesterday as far as defensive efforts go - pathetic as usual.

The more I think about it the more I can only conclude our on ball brigade is just dumb - who is the coach on this because it hasn't improved since Bolton?

The good news from my living on the beach in Sydney perspective is - fix the wings and add a mongrel or two into the side as on ball rotations - and we win games like yesterday by 5 goals+ - Russell has got the side seriously fit. Setterfield is NOT a wingman - he can't kick, and this Newnes bloke is another Kerridge - without the tackling ability.

 

[La Dispute]

I still think we have a couple of years until we find out. If only one of Setterfield, Dow or LOB had came on as quickly as we liked we win yesterday. What I will say is that if halfway through 2016 when we already had our spine on our list, I was told Cripps, Murphy and Curnow would still be doing virtually all of the heavy lifting in the midfield I would have thought something has gone very wrong.
If you look at yesterday’s team we have only brought in Martin, Walsh, McGovern and SPS who are preforming at any substantial level. (Generous to McGovern)
We would’ve had picks ~1,3,3,5,19,21,21,23 from that period simply by our ladder position. That’s not including trading out Touhy and Gibbs and having a heap of salary cap room, so much that we took “salary dumps.”

It’s going to be interesting to see how it plays out and I’m very confident it will work out well but if it doesn’t I doubt we see a rebuild done the same for a very long time.

The catch 22 is if we had Gibbs guys like LOB and Setterfield would probably be further along.

 

[thylacine60]

Political correctness Thylacine

political correctness has something to do with us playing hard tough football?

 

[Arr0w]

Cripps is a very ordinary kick and will always be - the sad thing is that he isn't the worst at it. Harry's kicking has gone from really good to consistently shyte - that is a real problem. How many shanks did the side put together going at goals from relatively easy positions? and how many balls hit the posts - I counted three including Weitering's beauty from 55 meters out.

If I was Melbourne coach I would be S****ng bricks after yesterday - as soon as Carlton players starting actually blocking exits from ball ups - they had nothing except Petracca. We carried Setterfield/Newnes for most of the match and lost by a point- as I have been saying for a while now - it is all up to Teague and his match com to pick some blokes with better skills and more mongrel - there is no shying away from the fact that some favourites atm - are bog ordinary players. Cripps has to be a better captain of midfield btw - it is on him to make sure we dont get pantsed on center bounces - he could start by telling Murph to go play wing or something - Murphy is in lala land thinking he has a few years to go playing - he looked and played cooked yesterday as far as defensive efforts go - pathetic as usual.

The more I think about it the more I can only conclude our on ball brigade is just dumb - who is the coach on this because it hasn't improved since Bolton?

The good news from my living on the beach in Sydney perspective is - fix the wings and add a mongrel or two into the side as on ball rotations - and we win games like yesterday by 5 goals+ - Russell has got the side seriously fit. Setterfield is NOT a wingman - he can't kick, and this Newnes bloke is another Kerridge - without the tackling ability.

Not much I disagree with.

I would play Setters as a mid, not a wingman

In fact, my starting mids would be Cripps, Setters and Ed ( Philip will replace him soon) and or the likes of Kemp, Stocker, replace the latter two. All 3 have some burst and natural aggression

Rotate the likes of Martin, Jack, SPS, Gibbons through the middle

Murphy need to play as a fulltime small forward, or be replaced

 

[skadoosh]

You know what hurts? All the talk from Cripps about players taking responsibility to step up. Hardly anything has changed.

 

[Own The Future]

Cripps is a very ordinary kick and will always be - the sad thing is that he isn't the worst at it. Harry's kicking has gone from really good to consistently shyte - that is a real problem. How many shanks did the side put together going at goals from relatively easy positions? and how many balls hit the posts - I counted three including Weitering's beauty from 55 meters out.

If I was Melbourne coach I would be S****ng bricks after yesterday - as soon as Carlton players starting actually blocking exits from ball ups - they had nothing except Petracca. We carried Setterfield/Newnes for most of the match and lost by a point- as I have been saying for a while now - it is all up to Teague and his match com to pick some blokes with better skills and more mongrel - there is no shying away from the fact that some favourites atm - are bog ordinary players. Cripps has to be a better captain of midfield btw - it is on him to make sure we dont get pantsed on center bounces - he could start by telling Murph to go play wing or something - Murphy is in lala land thinking he has a few years to go playing - he looked and played cooked yesterday as far as defensive efforts go - pathetic as usual.

The more I think about it the more I can only conclude our on ball brigade is just dumb - who is the coach on this because it hasn't improved since Bolton?

The good news from my living on the beach in Sydney perspective is - fix the wings and add a mongrel or two into the side as on ball rotations - and we win games like yesterday by 5 goals+ - Russell has got the side seriously fit. Setterfield is NOT a wingman - he can't kick, and this Newnes bloke is another Kerridge - without the tackling ability.

Some real home truths there.
I know we all have our whipping boys, but mine at the moment is definitely John Barker. It may be too simplistic to lay the blame at his feet, but every single week we are smashed at the stoppage - and unless I’m mistaken that is his primary area of responsibility.
I know the case can be made that we don’t have the depth in that area of the ground, but strategically we are all at sea. No direction, no system, no back up plan. Ideally you want to be predictable to your teammates and unpredictable to your opponent. At the moment, we are unpredictable to ourselves as there is no structure.
I hate the over-coaching in the modern game, but when you are getting creamed week in week out, surely the onus is on that line coach to DO SOMETHING!
Coaching cutbacks are happening - I’d be showing Barker the door ASAP.

 

[katmanblue]

high expectations from a player in the twilight of his career.

Misplaced expectations too, though.

'People' expect more and are therefore more likely to be disappointed.

Need to have realistic expectations.

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[Press Box Wing]

Early in the 2nd qt a Melb player ran out of a stoppage and Crippa jogged along next to him.
Didn’t attempt to tackle/apply any pressure. Summed it up for me, even our Capt wasn’t switched on.

I notice this a lot with a number of our midfielders. It drives me insane. If they are beaten to the ball or lose a contest, they do not bother to chase hard or apply pressure. They seem to assume that the ball will quickly be flicked on to another player before they can have an impact so they might as well conserve energy. It really stands out when the oppo player does not dispose quickly but carries the ball instead. Only then do you see our player step up a gear and put in a chase because I am sure they understand how bad it looks.
It's sacrilege to say but I reckon Crippa has been guilty of this more than most but he gets a pass because of the overall volume of work he does. But I see Murph do it and I see Dow do it too and even Ed at times. Having slagged all these guys, I also acknowledge that watching on TV distorts space and they are probably further away from the ball carrier than it looks to me from my lounge chair
But I do think this why we all quickly take to a player like Philp who gives that intensity all the time.

 

[Kreuz Control]

Pittonet is the positive for me - weitering our best player with ball in hand and most composed maybe most skilled player on our list -- but I wouldn't like to be a forward at Carlton you wouldn't know where it going to go-- unfortunately I don't see Murphy curnow having impact you need as a starting mid -- newnes,Lang (Fischer will replace one) a worry not in game enough - Setterfield hopefully just needs games but disposal average -

won't surprise me if LOB willo and Fischer silvagni come in

Murphy looked too small around the ball, he gets manhandled with ease, time for that to finish. Curnow always starts a season slowly, its when the whips get cracking, at around round 6 or 7 where his motor shows and he's at his best.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Really should have won that.

Controlled the footy when the game was on the line yet couldn’t convert any number of set shots.

First quarter weren’t too flash either.

Petracca given way too much free space, yet once EC manned him, we cut him out and started scoring.

Pittonet impressive, JW outstanding.

 

[katmanblue]

They don’t know how to win, and I believe it’s all in their collective heads. Once they get their noggins sorted, and this group “clicks”, we are in for some fun.

I agree with this.

Remember Richmond were near the bottom the year before they won the flag.

They were losing winnable games early in that year as well.

Then, they just started winning and winning. Haven't really stopped.

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