Autopsy Rd 6 - Huge first half but Blues lose heartbreaker by 5 points

[Bordertoon]

Was at the game, heart breaking finish especially with Harry marking just after the siren. Not surpised to lose another close one.

Umpiring disgrace aside I believe we gifted the game to Hawks with some dumb football and sheer panic at times.

However best forward display I've ever seen from the Blues at a live game (yet to see a win!) in first half. Fowards in constant motion working like absolute clockwork.

McKay will be the best forward in the league, he's already the best contested mark.

Jones, Weiters so proud of their defensive efforts.

SPS has stayed at the level and Cripps tried his heart out but was molested disgracefully a couple of free kicks needed to sort that rubbish out. Walsh was tiring towards the end of the match but still seemed the fittest carlton player out there.

Plowman does the great and the terrible, so frustrating. Marchbank looked lost at times and a couple of times tried to milk it with the umps to no avail. He needs to stay on his feet.

Kreuzer, amazing when on the park, sadly staying on is the issue.

Very concerned about Murphy, hopefully its just a form thing but jeez a shadow of his best. Without much physical pressure being applied to him he should be much more damaging.

Scully man oh man by the 4th quarter he had free reign no one could keep up. Spectacular trade for the hawks. JOM given free reign for 3/4 and he's easily their most damaging mid. Shiels, Breust and Sicily all stepped up when it counted


Critical Carlton Mistakes
1. No run with on JOM after Q1 - big coaching mistake though understandable given the scoreboard but he was going to hurt us eventually

2. Critical mistakes in front of goal - Jones slip (accidents happen), SPS handball, poor kicks to opposition (Murphy, Marchbank) failure to tackle adequately (Casboult, Newman, Plowman), Marchbank out on the full! Why kick it? Daisy not marking anyone. Just dumb football at times in the most critical part of the ground.

3 Defensive Chaos - Once Simmo went off it was a disorganised rabble with only Jones and Weiters working well together. Players where leaving criticial hawks players alone. Daisy eventually pulled it back together a bit but too little too late and only after he was caught out himself. Why was Marchbank positoning front and square to the pack? was he adopting Newmans role? At times everyone was chasing the ball and allowing Hawks to stand free to receive the easy kick/handball.

#Freekickhawthorn was back to its best it seemed like two sets of standards where applied to win a free kick. Our players constantly scragged and slung after disposal with no free kicks. Cripps clearly held on a number of occasions including once by the arm before taking posession umpires had clear view but didn't call it.

One of the umpires was not AFL standard, the bounces where terrible and was afraid to blow the whistle, free kicks where being paid by non-controlling umpire, mainly against us. Happy for umps to throw it up makes the game much more fair.

Great to have a detailed and insightful perspective from someone who was at the game Gavstar ... and it confirmed the vast majority of what I thought from watching on TV. I particularly agree with the points you make about Kreuz, Plow, Marchbank, Murph, O’Meara ... pretty much everything really!

Although it was blindingly obvious, I said at half-time in the game thread - use Ed to clamp down on a rampant O’Meara and control the tempo, and the win is ours. Unfortunately, we didn’t and it wasn’t, even though it was a fantastic and character-filled fightback from our boys at the death.

 

[Pablito]

So because Cripps has Plowman (and co) to fix his errors and Plowman doesn't you mark Plowman more heavily? Seems a tad biased.

"his stats hide how bad he really played" But what you see is completely objective.

Bias?

Incorrect word. I would say more harshly. His mistakes and all defenders are more damaging than the rest of the teams. It's the nature of the game and it's not fair on the player but it's a fact.

A good example would be Jones miskick resulting in a turnover and immediate goal. If that mistake was made at the other end of the ground by Mcgovern the scoreboard would not be directly affected (most likely).

Defenders should always be held to a higher standard.

 

[Gavstar]

Great to have a detailed and insightful perspective from someone who was at the game Gavstar ... and it confirmed the vast majority of what I thought from watching on TV. I particularly agree with the points you make about Kreuz, Plow, Marchbank, Murph, O’Meara ... pretty much everything really!

Although it was blindingly obvious, I said at half-time in the game thread - use Ed to clamp down on a rampant O’Meara and control the tempo, and the win is ours. Unfortunately, we didn’t and it wasn’t, even though it was a fantastic and character-filled fight back from our boys at the death.

Few more wiser heads and calmer minds would have saved some goals can't help but think Stocker will add plnety in that department.

Also thanks the CFC Tassie carlton supporters for the pre-game function with Cam Bruce, Val Perovic and Jamo. Liddle and MLG also got round the room.

Val's and Shane O'Sullvans going over some of the social aspects of 80's football was a highlight.

 

[Stamos]

Coaches' Votes

10 - Jaeger O'Meara (HAW)
8 - Liam Shiels (HAW)
5 - James Sicily (HAW)
3 - Matthew Kreuzer (CARL)
2 - Patrick Cripps (CARL)
1 - Ed Curnow (CARL)
1 - Liam Jones (CARL)

 

[Mr_Plow]

Agree with much of your post but differ on this. Hawthorn had a decent age/experience advantage (+1.20 yrs/25 games). They're an old side and not many coaches would be able to keep them afloat. They're doing it on memory, but do it they did, with Carlton's most senior player off the ground. Carlton kicked 21 goals in five quarters for the first time in ages before getting caught like deer in the headlights. But at least they raised another effort at the finish. And it's a tricky ground to play for the uninitiated.

I'm not going to lie, I'd love to see Carlton struggle for much longer! But improvement is close, or at least a watershed moment is close. North are another ageing team and are going over the cliff, but they have their pride. Yeah, there comes a time when close is no longer good enough. But Bolton deserves every Carlton fan's support, at least for this week.

Are you that elite stats guy on Twitter?

 

[Macca43]

Coaches' Votes

10 - Jaeger O'Meara (HAW)
8 - Liam Shiels (HAW)
5 - James Sicily (HAW)
3 - Matthew Kreuzer (CARL)
2 - Patrick Cripps (CARL)
1 - Ed Curnow (CARL)
1 - Liam Jones (CARL)

Better than the Age votes where no Carlton player got a mention.

 

[Gavstar]

Coaches' Votes

10 - Jaeger O'Meara (HAW)
8 - Liam Shiels (HAW)
5 - James Sicily (HAW)
3 - Matthew Kreuzer (CARL)
2 - Patrick Cripps (CARL)
1 - Ed Curnow (CARL)
1 - Liam Jones (CARL)

So our coach thinks O'Meara was the best player on the ground but didn't think it was worth it to put Ed on him until too late?

I hope that's a learning experience we don't need to repeat.

 

[Macca43]

Bias?

Incorrect word. I would say more harshly. His mistakes and all defenders are more damaging than the rest of the teams. It's the nature of the game and it's not fair on the player but it's a fact.

A good example would be Jones miskick resulting in a turnover and immediate goal. If that mistake was made at the other end of the ground by Mcgovern the scoreboard would not be directly affected (most likely).

Defenders should always be held to a higher standard.

Except for the fact that not kicking a goal directly impacts the scoreboard.

Here is one, Cripps gave away a silly free kick at a centre bounce in the 3rd when we were under extreme pressure. We get that clearance and the defenders can take a break, take some time to get re-organised and structure up and have the game played in our half for a while.

Instead the ball is pumped back inside our defensive 50 where it stays until they score. That mistake cost us dearly.

We win as a team and lose as a team, no player is held to higher standards than the other, everyone should play their role respect the role others play and work to make their team mates role easier.

 

[Macca43]

So our coach thinks O'Meara was the best player on the ground but didn't think it was worth it to put Ed on him until too late?

I hope that's a learning experience we don't need to repeat.

I am happy with his strategy, 26 of his 40 possessions were in the first half which we ended 31 points up - we were clearly winning the war while losing the battle.

 

[Sector 7G]

So our coach thinks O'Meara was the best player on the ground but didn't think it was worth it to put Ed on him until too late?

I hope that's a learning experience we don't need to repeat.

He had 25 in the first half and we were 5 Goals up. Despite that not hurting us you want to significantly change the team setup. Surely Bolts has to back in what is working. We were still 27 points up nearly half way into the quarter.

 

[BlueHulk]

Hi All,

Does anyone know exactly what Kruezer's injury was?

 

[Iamcarlton]

Yeah its rare for a Cripps clanger to result in a goal, whereas any of backs it can be a sure goal.


There were some awful non-calls against us

My pet hate is when the Hawks got tackled they placed the ball on the ground rugby style and its not incorrect disposal.

I noticed the Hawks practicing blocking while the defender behind marked prior to the match. I was think WTF at the time but obvioulsy Clarko's coffees pay dividends.

On the hawk player when tackled off balance putting the ball to ground to steady then handball cannot for the life of me understand why this isn't holding the ball .
Have noticed it quite a bit of recent seasons seems to go unpunished quite a bit something that has crept into the game possibly because the powers that be want to see the ball in constant motion .
Drives me nuts also .

 

[Curnivore]

Do Simmo, Daisy, Jones, Fish, Crippa miss tackles? You bet they do. But they also appear to be busting a gut at each contest.
Unfortunately its all about perception. And the perception is that Murph doesn't stand up when he should as a senior player and leader.
This is all excaserbated by the fact that every second of the game is analysed. Nowhere to hide anymore, he needs to lift in this department.

Murphy's sholders are cooked and can't tackle, I accept that, he's trying to stay on the park. No player is without weakness and that's his. It's his clangers when the pressure is on that frustrate me.

 

[Iamcarlton]

I am happy with his strategy, 26 of his 40 possessions were in the first half which we ended 31 points up - we were clearly winning the war while losing the battle.

Or if the clamps went on earlier Omeara is subdued somewhat maybe we are able to gather an extra 2 goal advantage at the half making it 40+ at half time and basically game over ?
All conjecture I know but we do have a decent tagger in Ed not playing that role too much this year not sure that's been a great move .

 

[Macca43]

Or if the clamps went on earlier Omeara is subdued somewhat maybe we are able to gather an extra 2 goal advantage at the half making it 40+ at half time and basically game over ?
All conjecture I know but we do have a decent tagger in Ed not playing that role too much this year not sure that's been a great move .

Ed goes on to the ball to put the clamps on O'meara and who comes off? Dow? Fisher? SPS? And would Ed still end up with 24 touches? Negating him negates us as well.

And lets just think Howe went everywhere with Cripps and he still ended up with 28 touches & 6 clearances. How much are you actually saving?

 

[Gavstar]

Or if the clamps went on earlier Omeara is subdued somewhat maybe we are able to gather an extra 2 goal advantage at the half making it 40+ at half time and basically game over ?
All conjecture I know but we do have a decent tagger in Ed not playing that role too much this year not sure that's been a great move .

Interestingly the Lamb to Sicily strategy seems to have been forgotten. Surely someone else in the 22 can try to be annoying as Lamb ?

 

[BeligerentBlue]

Plowman slander getting tiresome.

..

I remember in Alex Rances first 4 or 5 years he was the turnover king, composure is something that can be developed. He will be alright.

 

[blue healer]

11 less clangers and how many less disposals? I CBF getting the stats out but proportionally I would suspect it looks a lot worse.

I reckon it's safe to say he won't hold his spot for the years to come. Williamson and Docherty play the same/similar role and should start in front of him.

Marchbank Jones Newman
Docherty Weitering Williamson

That's the future^^

Williamson is still more a hope than a certainty and we can only hope that Doc comes back as good as he was. Besides, both Daisy and Simmo are just about done and not ridiculous to say they are the two most likely to be replaced by Willo and Doc.

As I recall saying about Daisy at the beginning of last year, when many had him playing the season in the twos, Plowman is the incumbent and someone has to actually de-throne him.

 

[Aphrodite]

Vote for Cunners ...




https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-04-29/cuninghams-goal-of-the-year-nomination


https://goaloftheyear.afl/vote/round/6

 

[Macca43]

Vote for Cunners ...




https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-04-29/cuninghams-goal-of-the-year-nomination


https://goaloftheyear.afl/vote/round/6

I just loved the way he made himself space with that fend off, not the first time he has done that this year and hopefully no the last.

He really seemed to make things happen when he got involved, 5 score involvements from 16 disposals (including a goal and a goal assist) is a very good effort, 4 tackles is pretty decent as well.

Hopefully he gets a good run at it from here and just gets better and better.

 

[Zuribagger]

Murphy's sholders are cooked and can't tackle, I accept that, he's trying to stay on the park. No player is without weakness and that's his. It's his clangers when the pressure is on that frustrate me.

Got to be able to tackle in our game. Maybe the body hasn’t got as long left in it as we’d hope. How long is his contract?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Are you that elite stats guy on Twitter?

Sir Swampthing? No, don't do Twitter.

 

[Zuribagger]

Cripps is going at 15% clanger to disposal (28 on 186)
Plowman is going at 10.4% clanger to disposal (11 on 104)

So once again it is simply about perception, people looking for Plowman's errors, and the fact Plowman doesn't have the luxury of having a backline behind him to fix up his errors like the mids do.

Comparing apples with oranges there. Midfield possessions are split second affairs especially when tagged.

 

[krayfesh]

We're improving. But it makes the losses hurt more.

I both like and dislike it.

 

[Macca43]

Got to be able to tackle in our game. Maybe the body hasn’t got as long left in it as we’d hope. How long is his contract?

14 tackles so far this year is pretty good for a bloke physically unable to tackle.