RDFL Thread 2010 (Part 2)

[BLUEBOY1]

Woodend certinly needed that win against the rams. Thought it was a big danger game for them. They can now push on and go about cementing a spot in the finals.

Huge win to lanny with players still to come back and hit top form. Only team that can beat bombers at this stage.

Important win on satday for diggers with no ruane,poynton,ryan or davies close to their 4 best players. Kangas and riddel the next 2 weeks so a loss would have been trouble.

Riddell were awesome on saturday against a good side. Just pulled away every time they were challenged and I dont even think they are at their best yet. One of the best displays I have seen for a while. Have good players that have not hit form yt. McCabe,baird,sammut and others have not played there best footy so far.

 

[oneeyedblue]

I don’t have a problem with an umpire…. Any umpire for that matter making a point to a player. As long as its done in an appropriate manner. In this circumstance- In his face ??? Well maybe. But who knows how much in Shannons face Semmo’ was. Things can look a lot further or closer than they actually are depending on the camera angle.
But where I think we may be getting on shaky ground here with this sort of behavior is – If you reverse the roles here and it is a player in the umpires face, strongly putting his point across (similar to what appears to be happening in this photo) gesticulating forcefully to an umpire. The umpire could be quite within his rights to feel threatened & report that player. I think from memory there have been cases such as this already bought before the RDFL tribunal. And rightly so ! Threatening behaviour is exactly that, threatening behaviour
Although feeling threatened is a very subjective sensibility & impossible to disprove.

My question is this - Why is it ok for an umpire to treat a player in this manner when it is totally unacceptable (as it should be) the other way around ???

Thoughts ?


P.S. I still think BOTH umpires did a pretty good job on Saturday ! & I did not notice that incident (pictured) either.

What amazed me about that incident was that Shannon and a Riddell player were having a bit of a heated exchange, yet the pictured umpire(cant say his name) chose to only warn Shannon and threaten to send him off

 

[Itsmyshow]

What amazed me about that incident was that Shannon and a Riddell player were having a bit of a heated exchange, yet the pictured umpire(cant say his name) chose to only warn Shannon and threaten to send him off

Sheesh.. Here we go again...

The picture and everything written since has absolutely no context, no background, nothing.. Its a photo with the opinion of one side of the argument..

Who instigated the heated exchange?? Wouldn't have been Shannon would it??

Which of the two players wouldn't let it go once the umpire in question told them to settle down??? Wouldn't have been Shannon would it???

Which of the players decided to take up the argument with the umpire after he interviened in the exchange?? Wouldn't have been Shannon would it??

Is that where the photo and follow up comments developed from??

Happy for the person who was in the mix (Shannon) to get on here and put his side forward, heck, it might even be word for word how you described it.. But the way it is being put across is this.

Riddell player picked on Shannon, Shannon told him to stop being so mean, the umpire came across and ran straight up to Shannon and waved his finger at him and told him not to be naughty very sternly, Shannon was upset..

Sorry, I dont buy it...

Might be a bit closer to this..

Riddell player mouthed off, Shannon got sucked in and went at him, after all, it was a frustrating day. Umpire told them both to pull their head in. Shannon kept going, umpire put himself in the exchange to cool it down, Shannon told the umpire where to go, umpire told Shannon in no uncertain terms that that was unacceptable. Everyone got on with the game.

I'm sorry, but everyone still goes at the umpires every week, and as supporters we always will.. But our umpires are much better than some in other leagues, heck, in alot of other leagues club umpires have to do the job. The umpire in question, whether people like it or not, is a senior umpire in the competition.. I would rather see him turn up at a game than several others.. But a reputation has been forged, and everyone wants to buy into it.. Don't bite, and the umpires have nothing to bite back at... From all reports it cost Wallan on the weekend, it definitely cost Woodend a couple of weeks ago, it also cost the Kangaroos on the weekend.. When will players learn, if you ignore the umpire and play the game, you will come out with a favorable outcome in more games than not.

 

[blues12]

I have one question regarding one umpire that frequents this site, (Kick out rule), Once the goal umpire has signaled a behind, the ball can be kicked out immediately?? why would an umpire call the kick back, I saw this on Saturday, due to an attacking player still being in the square. would i be right or can you please correct me.
What exactly is the rule

Thanks

 

[oneeyedblue]

Sheesh.. Here we go again...

The picture and everything written since has absolutely no context, no background, nothing.. Its a photo with the opinion of one side of the argument..

Who instigated the heated exchange?? Wouldn't have been Shannon would it??

Which of the two players wouldn't let it go once the umpire in question told them to settle down??? Wouldn't have been Shannon would it???

Which of the players decided to take up the argument with the umpire after he interviened in the exchange?? Wouldn't have been Shannon would it??

Is that where the photo and follow up comments developed from??

Happy for the person who was in the mix (Shannon) to get on here and put his side forward, heck, it might even be word for word how you described it.. But the way it is being put across is this.

Riddell player picked on Shannon, Shannon told him to stop being so mean, the umpire came across and ran straight up to Shannon and waved his finger at him and told him not to be naughty very sternly, Shannon was upset..

Sorry, I dont buy it...

Might be a bit closer to this..

Riddell player mouthed off, Shannon got sucked in and went at him, after all, it was a frustrating day. Umpire told them both to pull their head in. Shannon kept going, umpire put himself in the exchange to cool it down, Shannon told the umpire where to go, umpire told Shannon in no uncertain terms that that was unacceptable. Everyone got on with the game.

I'm sorry, but everyone still goes at the umpires every week, and as supporters we always will.. But our umpires are much better than some in other leagues, heck, in alot of other leagues club umpires have to do the job. The umpire in question, whether people like it or not, is a senior umpire in the competition.. I would rather see him turn up at a game than several others.. But a reputation has been forged, and everyone wants to buy into it.. Don't bite, and the umpires have nothing to bite back at... From all reports it cost Wallan on the weekend, it definitely cost Woodend a couple of weeks ago, it also cost the Kangaroos on the weekend.. When will players learn, if you ignore the umpire and play the game, you will come out with a favorable outcome in more games than not.

Wow thats incredible how you come up with all that, any chance you can forecast the Tattslotto numbers for this Saturday night.

 

[TP86]

Lewidge takes post with RDFL:

http://www.meltonexpress.com.au/new...les/rdfl-league-gets-new-manager/1826517.aspx

Macedon win away at Melton Centrals:

http://www.macedonrangestelegraph.c...es/macedon-downs-melton-centrals/1825777.aspx

Interleague action starts with under-18 clash:

http://www.macedonrangestelegraph.c...t-to-square-off-in-rivalry-round/1825780.aspx

 

[Itsmyshow]

Wow thats incredible how you come up with all that, any chance you can forecast the Tattslotto numbers for this Saturday night.

Outstanding rebuttal sir...

I for one, cannot wait for the detailed and well thought out response to the actual points that were put forward... Or was my post a little too close to the truth???

 

[Sprechen]

Im more impressed with the fact that Semmo now has his own footy card to sign for all his fans. Have to photshop Greeny out of it though

 

[blues12]

Under 18 Interleague this Wednesday night, i wonder how much support the league has regarding this? I hope they are not expecting too many people, they might be disappointed.
Do the league support this? How hard is it to put something on the website?

 

[OMNIPOTENT_1]

Im more impressed with the fact that Semmo now has his own footy card to sign for all his fans. Have to photshop Greeny out of it though

That is GOLD !!!

LMAO...... & a little bit of wee came out too !

 

[onlyintwos]

I have one question regarding one umpire that frequents this site, (Kick out rule), Once the goal umpire has signaled a behind, the ball can be kicked out immediately?? why would an umpire call the kick back, I saw this on Saturday, due to an attacking player still being in the square. would i be right or can you please correct me.
What exactly is the rule

Thanks

refer to page 44 of this years rule book

 

[headshot]

I don’t have a problem with an umpire…. Any umpire for that matter making a point to a player. As long as its done in an appropriate manner. In this circumstance- In his face ??? Well maybe. But who knows how much in Shannon's face Semmo’ was. Things can look a lot further or closer than they actually are depending on the camera angle.
But where I think we may be getting on shaky ground here with this sort of behavior is – If you reverse the roles here and it is a player in the umpires face, strongly putting his point across (similar to what appears to be happening in this photo) gesticulating forcefully to an umpire. The umpire could be quite within his rights to feel threatened & report that player. I think from memory there have been cases such as this already bought before the RDFL tribunal. And rightly so ! Threatening behavior is exactly that, threatening behavior
Although feeling threatened is a very subjective sensibility & impossible to disprove.

My question is this - Why is it ok for an umpire to treat a player in this manner when it is totally unacceptable (as it should be) the other way around ???

Thoughts ?


P.S. I still think BOTH umpires did a pretty good job on Saturday ! & I did not notice that incident (pictured) either.

Don't worry about camera angles his finger was in the players face. it doesn't matter who the umpire is , this sort of aggression between players and umpires should not take place. I don't know what Shannon said to the umpire nor what the umpires response was ,but I'm tipping he wasn't pointing to some of the mornings breakfast in the corner of Shannon's mouth. If the roles were reversed I'm sure Shannon would have a report sheet handed to him at the end of the game .
Yes the umpires did do a good job on the weekend as far as the decision making is concerned .I didn't see anyone from either side play for free kicks and get them. Twice on the weekend I saw the same umpire that is in the picture touch players whilst talking AT them. One player he grabbed from behind and turned him around to talk to him . Very dangerous.

 

[OMNIPOTENT_1]

Don't worry about camera angles his finger was in the players face. it doesn't matter who the umpire is , this sort of aggression between players and umpires should not take place. I don't know what Shannon said to the umpire nor what the umpires response was ,but I'm tipping he wasn't pointing to some of the mornings breakfast in the corner of Shannon's mouth. If the roles were reversed I'm sure Shannon would have a report sheet handed to him at the end of the game .
Yes the umpires did do a good job on the weekend as far as the decision making is concerned .I didn't see anyone from either side play for free kicks and get them. Twice on the weekend I saw the same umpire that is in the picture touch players whilst talking AT them. One player he grabbed from behind and turned him around to talk to him . Very dangerous.

I totally agree, the umpires did do a good job. They only paid the obvious free kicks & let the game flow. As it should be.

I did not see the touchy feely incidents you speak of. But if they did in fact occure, I agree they should not have. It is totally inappropriate. Perhaps the club or player in question should make a complaint to the league so action can be taken to modify the umpire in questions umpiring technique ?

 

[RDFL Ump]

I have one question regarding one umpire that frequents this site, (Kick out rule), Once the goal umpire has signaled a behind, the ball can be kicked out immediately?? why would an umpire call the kick back, I saw this on Saturday, due to an attacking player still being in the square. would i be right or can you please correct me.
What exactly is the rule

Thanks

I'm not sure of the exact rule without a rule book in front of me, but the way it should be interpreted is:
- the field umpire needs to give the goal umpire the all clear
- the goal umpire must signal the point.
- once the goal umpire has signalled, the ball can be brought in immediately. If there are forwards in the goal square they can not interfere with the kicker at all. If they deliberately interfere with the full back kicking out then it is a 50m penalty even if he is in the square when the full back gets the ball. If there are other back men in the square then they must clear out of the square and again not interfere with the kicker.

The only time the ball should be called back is if the goal umpire has not signalled or if the kicker goes to kick the ball out and a player getting off the ground accidently gets in the way.

Hope this helps

 

[Itsmyshow]

Don't worry about camera angles his finger was in the players face. it doesn't matter who the umpire is , this sort of aggression between players and umpires should not take place. I don't know what Shannon said to the umpire nor what the umpires response was ,but I'm tipping he wasn't pointing to some of the mornings breakfast in the corner of Shannon's mouth. If the roles were reversed I'm sure Shannon would have a report sheet handed to him at the end of the game .
Yes the umpires did do a good job on the weekend as far as the decision making is concerned .I didn't see anyone from either side play for free kicks and get them. Twice on the weekend I saw the same umpire that is in the picture touch players whilst talking AT them. One player he grabbed from behind and turned him around to talk to him . Very dangerous.

I don't condone an umpire touching a player in any circumstance.. The one above doesn't concern me so much if he is trying to control a situation and get someone to calm down, you can't miss that the umpire is watching you in that situation.. But touching or grabbing a player (especially grabbing) is a massive no no, especially considering that if the situation was reversed a player would receive several weeks...

 

[Kings Army]

Great timing from the AFL to make a stand to cut umpire abuse.

"The league, with the support of players and coaches, has begun a campaign to end what it believes it the biggest hindrance to recruiting umpires: the systematic abuse of them."

Some of the posts on this thread are pathetic and people are so quick to blame umpires but do not point the finger at the real problem - the players and coaches at your club.

You support a team and have friends or family members that play or are involved. You protect them from your critcism and divert the attention away from them by focusing on umpires. A bad tradesmen blames his tool - a bad football team blame umpires.

The full article is here - tipping the ones that bag umpires will also have trouble reading so many words in 1 sitting.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-bids-to-cut-umpire-abuse-20100511-uv7o.html

 

[Sprechen]

Great timing from the AFL to make a stand to cut umpire abuse.

"The league, with the support of players and coaches, has begun a campaign to end what it believes it the biggest hindrance to recruiting umpires: the systematic abuse of them."

Some of the posts on this thread are pathetic and people are so quick to blame umpires but do not point the finger at the real problem - the players and coaches at your club.

You support a team and have friends or family members that play or are involved. You protect them from your critcism and divert the attention away from them by focusing on umpires. A bad tradesmen blames his tool - a bad football team blame umpires.

The full article is here - tipping the ones that bag umpires will also have trouble reading so many words in 1 sitting.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-bids-to-cut-umpire-abuse-20100511-uv7o.html

Honestly KA, are you saying that you have never, not once, bagged an umpire?

 

[Kings Army]

Honestly KA, are you saying that you have never, not once, bagged an umpire?

Never walked away from a game thinking an umpire just cost a team a game. Sure a bad decision I will question. Even a run of bad decisions but players and coaches make up 98% of the reason of a loss - people want to focus on the 2% and ignore the 98%.

Actually the 1994 prelim between the Cats and the Roos maybe be the 1 exception. But even then the Roos had the chance to put them away.

 

[OMNIPOTENT_1]

Never walked away from a game thinking an umpire just cost a team a game. Sure a bad decision I will question. Even a run of bad decisions but players and coaches make up 98% of the reason of a loss - people want to focus on the 2% and ignore the 98%.

Actually the 1994 prelim between the Cats and the Roos maybe be the 1 exception. But even then the Roos had the chance to put them away.

C'mon pal, what about the umpires (& I use the term loosely) in the BalFL ???

 

[Sprechen]

Never walked away from a game thinking an umpire just cost a team a game. Sure a bad decision I will question. Even a run of bad decisions but players and coaches make up 98% of the reason of a loss - people want to focus on the 2% and ignore the 98%.

Actually the 1994 prelim between the Cats and the Roos maybe be the 1 exception. But even then the Roos had the chance to put them away.

But if you read back, KA, you will notice that 99 percent of the umpires are lauded for job they are doing, its only ONE person that constantly raises the ire of the RDFL supporters. I think I can speak for everyone and say that generally we are all pretty satisfied with the job the RDFL umps do every week, and so is the BalFL apparently! I think it would be a great idea to maybe "promote" him to a few weeks in the BalFL and then you can give us an honest appraisal of how he goes about it. My missus is a boundary umpire, and my old man is a goalie so I tend to hold back a bit as she and he would kick my ass if I constantly aboused the orange blokes but even she ( and most of her fellow boundary, goalie and central umpires), are concerned with the technique used by the untouchable one. I guess we will all get over it but sheesh, week after week of posts rferring to him must say something.

 

[slyone]

We either need a thread for umpire chat or ban it once and for all, some people from this league just cant let it go and have made the umpires celebrities.

 

[Itsmyshow]

Went down and checked out the Under 18 Interleague game against the Ballarat FL last night and witnessed a really good contest between two talented young football teams.

The first quarter was a very high quality physical contest. At times the Ballarat side looked to have the RDFL's measure with quick ball movement and excellent run from behind the football, but the RDFL boys were able to put on really good pressure and ensure that the BFL were halted across the half forward line. Daniel Toman and Tie Cuffe were winning plenty of the football around the clearances while the big RDFL ruckman dominated the hitouts. Young Strickland at CHF seemed to be giving the BFL backline plenty of headaches.

The 2nd quarter saw the RDFL up the tempo a notch. They booted 2 early goals and seemed to have all of the ascendency, but inaccurate kicking kept the BFL in the game. Codey Phillips dominated the quarter through the midfield, while Grant Puxley really started to put his stamp on the game. The BFL looked as though they were really having problems containing the RDFL drive and run through the middle of the ground (even with their 19 men) often being pushed right to the boundary to find an avenue to goal. That is, until the last 5 minutes of the quarter. The BFL started to get first use of the ball with Matt Medcraft and co and booted the last 2 goals of the quarter to get back into the contest.

The 3rd quarter again looked as though an arm wrestle would develop. The ball was becoming more slippery as the match wore on and both sides but great defensive pressure on the ball carrier, but both sides were having trouble getting the ball past CHF. The BFL broke the game open late, hitting the lead with their big CHF starting to really have an influence. The RDFL seemed to have a really good forward set up starting to gel, but they just didn't see enough of the ball. The switch of Jack Sheehan to the forward line late produced instant results with a booming goal late in the quarter. The game was well and truly on.

With an opportunity for either side to break the game open, both sides continued the hard work early in the final term. Medcraft was clearly starting to become the difference for the BFL with several clearances while Toman and Puxley were doing everything they could to match his influence. A pivitol mistake in the defensive 50 allowed a cheap goal to the BFL that effectively ended the contest. While the RDFL boys never gave up, they just couldn't reduce the margin and the BFL boys were coming home stronger, breaking and standing up in tackles and running over the top of a gallant RDFL side to run out winners by about 4 goals in the end.

Overall, the contest was a wonderful event to watch and well done to both the RDFL and the BFL officials on a great night.

The RDFL take on the WRFL on Wednesday 26th May at Clarke Oval and I would encourage all RDFL supporters to get down to the game.

My RDFL Votes
3 - Daniel Toman
2 - Grant Puxley
1 - Codey Phillips

 

[Sprechen]

Went down and checked out the Under 18 Interleague game against the Ballarat FL last night and witnessed a really good contest between two talented young football teams.

The first quarter was a very high quality physical contest. At times the Ballarat side looked to have the RDFL's measure with quick ball movement and excellent run from behind the football, but the RDFL boys were able to put on really good pressure and ensure that the BFL were halted across the half forward line. Daniel Toman and Tie Cuffe were winning plenty of the football around the clearances while the big RDFL ruckman dominated the hitouts. Young Strickland at CHF seemed to be giving the BFL backline plenty of headaches.

The 2nd quarter saw the RDFL up the tempo a notch. They booted 2 early goals and seemed to have all of the ascendency, but inaccurate kicking kept the BFL in the game. Codey Phillips dominated the quarter through the midfield, while Grant Puxley really started to put his stamp on the game. The BFL looked as though they were really having problems containing the RDFL drive and run through the middle of the ground (even with their 19 men) often being pushed right to the boundary to find an avenue to goal. That is, until the last 5 minutes of the quarter. The BFL started to get first use of the ball with Matt Medcraft and co and booted the last 2 goals of the quarter to get back into the contest.

The 3rd quarter again looked as though an arm wrestle would develop. The ball was becoming more slippery as the match wore on and both sides but great defensive pressure on the ball carrier, but both sides were having trouble getting the ball past CHF. The BFL broke the game open late, hitting the lead with their big CHF starting to really have an influence. The RDFL seemed to have a really good forward set up starting to gel, but they just didn't see enough of the ball. The switch of Jack Sheehan to the forward line late produced instant results with a booming goal late in the quarter. The game was well and truly on.

With an opportunity for either side to break the game open, both sides continued the hard work early in the final term. Medcraft was clearly starting to become the difference for the BFL with several clearances while Toman and Puxley were doing everything they could to match his influence. A pivitol mistake in the defensive 50 allowed a cheap goal to the BFL that effectively ended the contest. While the RDFL boys never gave up, they just couldn't reduce the margin and the BFL boys were coming home stronger, breaking and standing up in tackles and running over the top of a gallant RDFL side to run out winners by about 4 goals in the end.

Overall, the contest was a wonderful event to watch and well done to both the RDFL and the BFL officials on a great night.

The RDFL take on the WRFL on Wednesday 26th May at Clarke Oval and I would encourage all RDFL supporters to get down to the game.

My RDFL Votes
3 - Daniel Toman
2 - Grant Puxley
1 - Codey Phillips

D.Toman=Star

 

[matt_nicholls]

D.Toman=Star

He's no M. Dorman

 

[spurt_reynolds]

He's no M. Dorman

No he's not, he is better.