Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament

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Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[NSWCROW]

That's only going to get you so far. The "no-model" approach might be a smart move but sooner or later people are going to wonder what they are voting for. And they won't have to look hard to find people that will be eager to tell them.

Exactly

bolded - Not mentioning any names..............................COUGHnewscorpscumCOUGH

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You’re not this stupid…..

Narrator - yes, he is

 

[campbell]

Oh goody. Great time to be Aboriginal, all the racist wackjobs abusing you for existing.

 

[Chief]

Oh goody. Great time to be Aboriginal, all the racist wackjobs abusing you for existing.

And blaming you for being "divisive".

 

[Power Raid]

You’re not this stupid…..

There is risk here without controls, which can be avoided by having steering committees and departments as the voice.

We enshrine this in the constitution, where the "voice" is enshrined to cover all affairs relating to indigenous people. Then a government, outside of any referendum pass legislation the "voice's" powers is elevated as mandatory to all affairs relating to indigenous affairs.

This would prevent any government in the future unwinding this issue, as the "voice" can simply veto.


Further would we enshrine other races, colours or religions with this "voice"? If not, why not?

 

[FredLeDeux]

There is risk here without controls, which can be avoided by having steering committees and departments as the voice.

We enshrine this in the constitution, where the "voice" is enshrined to cover all affairs relating to indigenous people. Then a government, outside of any referendum pass legislation the "voice's" powers is elevated as mandatory to all affairs relating to indigenous affairs.

This would prevent any government in the future unwinding this issue, as the "voice" can simply veto.


Further would we enshrine other races, colours or religions with this "voice"? If not, why not?

We already have, that's why we need a change

 

[Gralin]

Further would we enshrine other races, colours or religions with this "voice"? If not, why not?

Whether the voice is a good idea or not is one thing, but this argument here from you is just complete codswallop.

Apart from you doing a slippery slope you're also just ignoring the fact that we're on stolen land and the situation is not about everyone else

 

[Power Raid]

Whether the voice is a good idea or not is one thing, but this argument here from you is just complete codswallop.

Apart from you doing a slippery slope you're also just ignoring the fact that we're on stolen land and the situation is not about everyone else

I recognise there has been great wrongs carried out against aborigines. I even noted our constitution already enshrines racism in multiple sections.......and deliberately so. Our federation was built on motivations of fear and racism.

I'm just uncertain that enshrining or deepening racism in our constitution is the way to go.

I just feel there are better ways to achieve the same, if not better outcome.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Albo is calling for the undermining of democracy and enshrining racism in our constitution

Is racism a good thing?
Is undermining democracy a good thing?

Perhaps we should divide buses and other parts of society by race?

Oh FFS.

 

[Chief]

Further would we enshrine other races, colours or religions with this "voice"? If not, why not?

Who else was here when Europeans arrived?

 

[andrewmillman]

Who else was here when Europeans arrived?

I can see a calls eventually for a "Second Nations Voice" for Anglo Aussies, then a "Third Nations Voice" for the Europeans...where does it end?

 

[Call Me Cake]

Ehhh. Don't think we should be singling anyone out based on what they're simply born as. In order to move on as a society without a focus on race, we must regard everyone as equal human beings as a baseline. The moment you single out one group - you forever instill a race-based mindset. In the U.S everyone is classified as their colour on I.D's and papers, precisely why they're always going to be divided as such.

 

[Chief]

I can see a calls eventually for a "Second Nations Voice" for Anglo Aussies, then a "Third Nations Voice" for the Europeans...where does it end?

You can see a call... ? How? When has that ever happened?

This is some sort of fever dream, buddy.

You OK?

 

[jatz14]

I recognise there has been great wrongs carried out against aborigines. I even noted our constitution already enshrines racism in multiple sections.......and deliberately so. Our federation was built on motivations of fear and racism.

I'm just uncertain that enshrining or deepening racism in our constitution is the way to go.

I just feel there are better ways to achieve the same, if not better outcome.

It's amazing the number of people comfortable with circumstances that create generational disadvantage to others, and generational advantages to themselves, who suddenly become vocal anti racist campaigner at the first sign of anything being done to address this.

This issue is going to become a straw man factory.

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[tandino]

I can see a calls eventually for a "Second Nations Voice" for Anglo Aussies, then a "Third Nations Voice" for the Europeans...where does it end?

The land north of Brunswick Street I will unilaterally claim as the homelands of the Italo-Australian.

Tomato day will be in January. Don't forget the basil.

 

[Gough]

I just feel there are better ways to achieve the same, if not better outcome.

Go on then, let's hear them.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

You’re not this stupid…..

No, I really think he/she is

 

[campbell]

I can see a calls eventually for a "Second Nations Voice" for Anglo Aussies, then a "Third Nations Voice" for the Europeans...where does it end?

You Sir need to step away from your computer and get a dose of reality......

 

[Demons09]

You Sir need to step away from your computer and get a dose of reality......

He’s not a Greens voter so I wouldn’t put him in the delusional bracket.

 

[Donakebab]

Oh goody. Great time to be Aboriginal, all the racist wackjobs abusing you for existing.

I opened the comments on two social media articles and they were a disheartening, disgusting and disgraceful mess overrun by racists.

I have not opened a third.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Whether the voice is a good idea or not is one thing, but this argument here from you is just complete codswallop.

Apart from you doing a slippery slope you're also just ignoring the fact that we're on stolen land and the situation is not about everyone else

Is there any land on the planet not stolen?

 

[Financialpanther]

Is there any land on the planet not stolen?

Disneyland?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I can see a calls eventually for a "Second Nations Voice" for Anglo Aussies, then a "Third Nations Voice" for the Europeans...where does it end?

If we legalise same-sex marriage, I can see calls eventually for a "human-animal marriage" for people who love bestiality...where does it end?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

He’s not a Greens voter so I wouldn’t put him in the delusional bracket.

"Everyone who disagrees with me is delusional!"

 

[Gough]

I opened the comments on two social media articles and they were a disheartening, disgusting and disgraceful mess overrun by racists.

I have not opened a third.

Having seen what ten years of inaction looks like I think there's an appetite for change and Morrison's quiet Australians may turn out to be a loud minority.