Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[Chief]

It's a play on " Give them an inch and they will take a mile".

Who is "them"?

 

[Todman]

Who is "them"?

The people seeking more power.

 

[Chief]

The people seeking more power.

Can you be specific? And what power are they seeking?

 

[EDFL follower]

Can anyone give me examples of an issue where people were embarrassed to state their position, but then were proved justified later? Nobody was embarrassed to state they were a republican or a monarchist. If people are embarrassed to state their position, it's generally because society has moved on and they are holding on to antiquated viewpoints. If people are embarrassed to admit they are voting no, it's probably because they realise it's a pretty s**t position to take, particularly for Aboriginal people.

I live in a very conservative area and I dont think anyone around here is embarrassed to say they will be voting no. Its the majority position around here.

 

[SSwans2011]

The faces of the Yes campaign are also liars.

It's a bit hard to take your word for what constitutes fact and misinformation when you shared a Peta Credlin video yesterday.

 

[Carringbush2010]

So if the no vote is successful does that mean we have a majority of racists in the country?

Depends on ones point of view, most rational people? No I wouldn't think so.

IMHO I don't think we're a nation of out and out intentional racists, I believe the majority of society are willing to be fair and kind to the next person.

There'll be a small minority that are intentionally racist though.

 

[JackOutback]

I live in a very conservative area and I dont think anyone around here is embarrassed to say they will be voting no. Its the majority position around here.

I can understand conservative people being opposed to gay marriage as it clashes with their religion, but how exactly is helping Aboriginal people a conservative position that should be opposed? Other than conserving structural inequality.

 

[Kram]

Depends on ones point of view, most rational people? No I wouldn't think so.

IMHO I don't think we're a nation of out and out intentional racists, I believe the majority of society are willing to be fair and kind to the next person.

There'll be a small minority that are intentionally racist though.

Where I live since when I was a kid the change over the last 30 years has been amazing, it was around a fair bit back then early 90s but these days I can't even remember the last time I've heard someone say something even remotely racist. Even kids I see at school with ordinary behaviour otherwise are very tolerant of people that are different to them in general.

Only 1 notable exception was in Perth where I feel fairly certain my Mum was racially profiled when she had her handbag thoroughly searched at a Midland shop.

 

[the_interloper]

Can anyone give me examples of an issue where people were embarrassed to state their position, but then were proved justified later? Nobody was embarrassed to state they were a republican or a monarchist. If people are embarrassed to state their position, it's generally because society has moved on and they are holding on to antiquated viewpoints. If people are embarrassed to admit they are voting no, it's probably because they realise it's a pretty s**t position to take, particularly for Aboriginal people.

I don’t know if I get in trouble for saying this but any questioning around COVID vaccinations

 

[JackOutback]

I don’t know if I get in trouble for saying this but any questioning around COVID vaccinations

But they didn't get proved right.

In April, Australia’s Baker Heart & Diabetes Institute published one of the world’s most comprehensive studies aimed at examining a link between COVID vaccination and fatal cardiac arrest.

Spoiler alert: there isn’t one.

To cut a long study short, the “analysis did not show increased rates of out-of-hospital cardiac arrest, fatal myocarditis or unascertained out-of-hospital cardiac arrest either during the pandemic or following the introduction of nationally mandated COVID-19 vaccination”.

And “although COVID-19 vaccinations have been associated with cardiac complications such as myocarditis or pericarditis, the majority of these episodes have been reported to be mild, with the data showing no rise in death rates from it”.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

The faces of the Yes campaign are also liars.

Can you provide some examples of these lies, in relation to the voice campaign?

 

[Crankyhawk]

The faces of the NO campaign are known liars.

Why would an honest person support or agree with the narratives of Dutton, Hanson, Price, Mundine, Bolt etc etc?

What of a no voter who is aligning with Thorpe? My oldest child stated he would vote no (too young to actually vote) on lines of “no power, need treaty” though could not answer on how this would occur without a voice (did appear his whole class had similar views)

 

[Ghost Patrol]

What of a no voter who is aligning with Thorpe? My oldest child stated he would vote no (too young to actually vote) on lines of “no power, need treaty” though could not answer on how this would occur without a voice (did appear his whole class had similar views)

There is truth to that argument, though I tend to agree with you that it's more likely to occur after voice.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I can understand conservative people being opposed to gay marriage as it clashes with their religion, but how exactly is helping Aboriginal people a conservative position that should be opposed? Other than conserving structural inequality.

Conservation on structural inequality is seen as their “right” and they don’t see any reason to give it up - basically there’s nothing in it for them. Because people are selfish a lot of the time.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Witty rebut.

The "Yes" campaign is full of misdirection. Joe Public can see it. It's a play on " Give them an inch and they will take a mile".

Are you referring to Aboriginal people when you say ‘them’ ?

 

[South of the Yarra]

Witty rebut.

The "Yes" campaign is full of misdirection. Joe Public can see it. It's a play on " Give them an inch and they will take a mile".

Are Aboriginal people not part of the public?

 

[Kram]

Witty rebut.

The "Yes" campaign is full of misdirection. Joe Public can see it. It's a play on " Give them an inch and they will take a mile".

If you actually see how a fair % of Indigenous Australians live you realise that it is more than a mile behind most people.

 

[tandino]

What of a no voter who is aligning with Thorpe? My oldest child stated he would vote no (too young to actually vote) on lines of “no power, need treaty” though could not answer on how this would occur without a voice (did appear his whole class had similar views)

Thorpe No's probably wouldn't be too fond of a Voice-derived treaty either.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

If you actually see how a fair % of Indigenous Australians live you realise that it is more than a mile behind most people.

Agree. It's a real failure of our political structures that this occurs.

I think the problem is in the House of Reps. I would like to see the amount of members increased with electoral carve outs for indigenous communities.

It is pie in the sky stuff, but that would give real representation.

 

[Geoff]

Libby Mettam the Liberal leader in WA has done 180 to fall in line with the Liberal No voters. Thought she might have been a beacon for the Libs in the West but has turned out to be more of the same.

I’m voting ayes because it’s the right thing to do plain and simple.

See Libby, it’s not that hard.


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[the_interloper]

But they didn't get proved right.

I’m talking generally questioning any aspect of the vaccines and the requirements to get vaccinated. Even asking a question about it 2 years ago was seen as “anti vax”. I may get in trouble from mods for even saying this, sort of proves my point in a way I guess.

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

I understand the general public being ignorant but to come on this forum and flaunt your ignorance...

1. There shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;
2. The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
3. The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.

This is it. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[tandino]

Seems strange that some people willingly choose to be socially undesirable.

Human nature. History is full of people going against the grain.

 

[evolved2]

Can anyone give me examples of an issue where people were embarrassed to state their position, but then were proved justified later? Nobody was embarrassed to state they were a republican or a monarchist. If people are embarrassed to state their position, it's generally because society has moved on and they are holding on to antiquated viewpoints. If people are embarrassed to admit they are voting no, it's probably because they realise it's a pretty s**t position to take, particularly for Aboriginal people.

Why do you think 'no' voters feel embarrassed for holding their position?

 

[Ohitsthatguy]

Why do you think 'no' voters feel embarrassed for holding their position?

Do you think first nations people don't deserve a voice?

They should feel embarrassed for their ignorance

I'm gonna give you the tip

They'll get over it.