Remove Sam Newman from the Hall of Fame petition.

[Checksider]

This is the problem with society today … people see a click bait headline and just run with it, having little or no knowledge of the actual facts.

I listened to that Podcast that started this Winmar settlement, did you ? Sam Newman, Don Scott and Mike Sheahan were talking about the day when Nicky Winmar raised his jumper and pointed to his skin at Victoria Park. Mike Sheahan, as leading journo of the day, was musing that most people if the press box thought his actions were about the heart they’d shown in winning at Vic Park, and wasn’t related to a stance against racism.

Sam Newman was barely even involved in the conversation. There was nothing racist, nothing controversial and nothing sinister. It was just honest discussion about how the thoughts of many in the media at the time was it was not related to his skin colour and was related to the heart they showed. Newman wasn’t driving the conversation and said nothing at all to denigrate what happened or question anything one iota..

Anyone who listened to the Podcast knows it wasn’t racist one single bit.

Then Winmar got up in arms as he probably assumed they said he was making it up, or had questioned his motives … which is not remotely what happened. But on the back of the Goodes saga and other racist issues within the AFL at the time, Gil and the AFL got involved and it ended up in mediation with Newman paying a fine.

Please please just listen to the Podcast and report back based on facts, not on headlines. You can argue all you like about other incidents, but this one was an absolutely disgraceful whitewash based on absolutely nothing except virtue signalling by the AFL.

Listen to what started it and you’ll be amazed at how it all blew up from innocent discussion driven mostly by Mike Sheahan about what the media pack ‘thought’ was the reason behind the pointing at the skin on the day it happened 25-years prior.


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Mike Sheahan isn’t exactly a bastion of progressive thinking either…

 

[Tiger2709]

So you support all the racist statements he's made do you?

You dont need to support the statements to support the right to have an opinion, I didnt realise thoughtcrime was a real thing yet?

Sam is Sam, why would anyone let his opinion worry them?

 

[Chief]

I saw that you accused him of racism after he ranted against the AFL's "woke agenda" and said the "Welcome to Country" ceremonies were a load of shite. I didn't think it was racist. Ignorant maybe... But not racist.

That time he did blackface on national TV?

 

[Lingsface]

This is way too far! Has not really done anything wrong he hasn’t said anything racist he is just commenting on the way things are conducted. I don’t agree with him but it is just a thought.

 

[Young Redleg]

I don't really care if he gets removed or not but Sam Newman is a loathsome piece of shit of the highest order. Has very few good qualities.

 

[Chief]

he hasn’t said anything racist

Have a look at it:

He's said that people are sick of anything that isn't football on the day.

He has called for the booing of welcome to country.

He has not called for the booing of any other element of the day.

Ads? No. National anthem? No.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Here's a thought. Why not make the Welcome to Country an official part of the National Anthem? A symbolic union of what came before and what came after as one.

 

[terrybull]

I support freedom of speech, even when I completely disagree with someone

 

[terrybull]

All the ads during the show for reality TV shows prove that point. The Footy Show is very much missed. We were so lucky in the 90s and early 2000s until Australians lost their sense of humour and canceled their own souls!

The world is losing humor, laugh while you can. Satire, jokes and all forms of humor will be gone in the next 20 years or so.

You won’t be able to laugh at others, animals, object real or unreal….nothing! You won’t even be allowed to make fun of yourself.

Unless we stop taking ourselves so seriously…

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Do people support freedom of speech for holocaust deniers?

For people who despise nationalism and the Festival of warmongering that is ANZAC Day would you support their right to rock up to the March with a megaphone to air their views?

 

[NetworkNerd]

Watching the Footy Show documentary on just now reminded me how much I miss it. I like Sam.

Fev has been doing some street talks and got Sam in for one episode. Just like the old days. If it stays only on tiktok then so be it.

 

[Tadpole]

I support freedom of speech, even when I completely disagree with someone

As do I. "I disagree vehemently with your views, but I'll fight to the death for your right to spew them." Freedom of speech should in no way mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.

 

[Outtatym]

How is my view narrow when not 1 person, out of 135,000 spectators , who were asked to boo by Newman, booed?
I think it's clear your view is the fringe view.

135! Did they finally finish Waverley?

Also- couldn't this have been thrown in the other thread you posted about him?

 

[Goroyals22]

Have a look at it:

He's said that people are sick of anything that isn't football on the day.

He has called for the booing of welcome to country.

He has not called for the booing of any other element of the day.

Ads? No. National anthem? No.

None of which is racist….

Now I wouldn’t boo a welcome to county but I make sure I avoid them at all costs or make sure I’m listening to music, talking to someone who I went to the footy with or outside when it’s on.


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[revo333]

Who would have thought that a 77 year old, born in 1945, who went to Geelong Grammer, who lives in Brighton and worked at channel 9 for 40 years would be out of touch with society?

And yet you are obsessed with him.

 

[augie]

This is the problem with society today … people see a click bait headline and just run with it, having little or no knowledge of the actual facts.

I listened to that Podcast that started this Winmar settlement, did you ? Sam Newman, Don Scott and Mike Sheahan were talking about the day when Nicky Winmar raised his jumper and pointed to his skin at Victoria Park. Mike Sheahan, as leading journo of the day, was musing that most people if the press box thought his actions were about the heart they’d shown in winning at Vic Park, and wasn’t related to a stance against racism.

Sam Newman was barely even involved in the conversation. There was nothing racist, nothing controversial and nothing sinister. It was just honest discussion about how the thoughts of many in the media at the time was it was not related to his skin colour and was related to the heart they showed. Newman wasn’t driving the conversation and said nothing at all to denigrate what happened or question anything one iota..

Anyone who listened to the Podcast knows it wasn’t racist one single bit.

Then Winmar got up in arms as he probably assumed they said he was making it up, or had questioned his motives … which is not remotely what happened. But on the back of the Goodes saga and other racist issues within the AFL at the time, Gil and the AFL got involved and it ended up in mediation with Newman paying a fine.

Please please just listen to the Podcast and report back based on facts, not on headlines. You can argue all you like about other incidents, but this one was an absolutely disgraceful whitewash based on absolutely nothing except virtue signalling by the AFL.

Listen to what started it and you’ll be amazed at how it all blew up from innocent discussion driven mostly by Mike Sheahan about what the media pack ‘thought’ was the reason behind the pointing at the skin on the day it happened 25-years prior.


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You clearly haven't listened to it. It was Scott who drove the discussion, and he referred to Winmar's reason for lifting his jumper as a misrepresentation. That isn't an innocent discussion. It's calling Winmar a liar. Which is what you say isn't remotely what happened. Interesting.

 

[Stax on the mill]

Without doubt the most stupid thread ever started on Big Footy!

And that’s saying something, especially considering Aristotle’s long and infamous history of starting stupid threads.

 

[augie]

The world is losing humor, laugh while you can. Satire, jokes and all forms of humor will be gone in the next 20 years or so.

You won’t be able to laugh at others, animals, object real or unreal….nothing! You won’t even be allowed to make fun of yourself.

Unless we stop taking ourselves so seriously…

I hear so many middle aged white men say this. "Humour is gone". "You can't say anything". What you are actually saying is you can't make racist, sexist etc jokes and that upsets you. Maybe reflect on that.

 

[PhatBoy]

I reckon Sammy has a bit of a point about the welcome to country TBH. It was invented by Ernie Dingo after he saw the Māoris doing it and is not culturally traditional.

That said, it isn’t hurting anyone and is a nod to the traditional custodians of the land so booing it is probably going a bit too far.

Well it wasn’t.

 

[captain blood 17]

One of the biggest influences in Sam Newmans life was Polly Farmer. He loves the man. Pretty unusual thing for a racist to say……

 

[captain blood 17]

Silly racist woman, oh, wait a minute……us whiteys should ban her as well?

'Definitely divisive': Jacinta Price joins calls to scale back Welcome to Country ceremonies

Jacinta Nampijinpa Price has joined calls to scale back the use of Welcome to Country ceremonies, saying 'Australians don't need to be welcomed to their own country' and labelling the practice 'divisi...

nit.com.au

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Sign the Petition

Remove Sam Newman from AFL Hall of Fame

www.change.org

When are you going to ask for every badly behaved footballer to be removed? Your reasoning in starting your petition is flawed.

 

[DERO]

Well it wasn’t.

How Welcome To Country was created by Ernie Dingo and mates in 1976

Ernie Dingo's dance troupe came up with the new ritual in 1976 after an awkward stand-off with Maori and Cook Islanders who refused to perform at an arts festival until they were ritually welcomed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Caligo]

Do you want Margaret Court Arena to be renamed too?

Yes.

 

[Xtreme]

Why? Because he has different opinions to you?

I say don't remove him from the hall of fame.
In fact he deserves a statue outside of the MCG!