News Review Completed

[TheLoungeLizard]

No mate bc you're taking it personal and since I'm on thin ice on here I cannot afford to get banned over some minor changing the topic bc he/she has no supporting evidence to the thread and then tries the slander trick.

I'm not interested in getting you banned anyway TI, you're too much comedy gold.

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

And I apologize for the personal comment TigerImposter , that was too far on my behalf.

 

[Sassafras]

No mate bc you're taking it personal and since I'm on thin ice on here I cannot afford to get banned over some minor changing the topic bc he/she has no supporting evidence to the thread and then tries the slander trick.

You won't get banned. Keep the language clean (which you do), and just stick to the point without making it personal.

We need both sides of the coin to have an opinion.

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

We need both sides of the coin to have an opinion.

Apart from the fact that TI spins better than Gale himself!
Hasn't answered one question of mine and changes the subject as soon as it gets too hot for him.

He can give it but can't take it, I've had better debates with myself.

And I'm not trying to be a dick either, he genuinely has been feeling the pinch... Pretty lame

 

[TigerImposter]

I'm not interested in getting you banned anyway TI, you're too much comedy gold.

Feelings mutual as it's hilarious how you still think we're building a list based on those three finals sins. You have basically said nothing all night in defence of the review yet you're making a lot of noise. Diversion and deflection with immature attacks are generally the first things evident.

 

[TigerImposter]

Apart from the fact that TI spins better than Gale himself!
Hasn't answered one question of mine and changes the subject as soon as it gets too hot for him.

He can give it but can't take it, I've had better debates with myself.

And I'm not trying to be a dick either, he genuinely has been feeling the pinch... Pretty lame

Why how can I answer any of the questions if the review was done and three clowns have been moved into other areas? It's done so you comment on its choice and implications. What I would have done is irrelevant .
can't you see this?

 

[Sassafras]

Apart from the fact that TI spins better than Gale himself!
Hasn't answered one question of mine and changes the subject as soon as it gets too hot for him.

He can give it but can't take it, I've had better debates with myself.

And I'm not trying to be a dick either, he genuinely has been feeling the pinch... Pretty lame

Maybe, what would I know.

The whole RFC position at the moment feels like a feather in the wind. I think we will all be much more stable and comfortable/or not in January.

*I know, I know hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

Feelings mutual as it's hilarious how you still think we're building a list based on those three finals sins. You have basically said nothing all night in defence of the review yet you're making a lot of noise. Diversion and deflection with immature attacks are generally the first things evident.

Where did I say we were building a list based on those 3 finals?
I agreed that the top up route was wrong but can be recitifed (with some recent nice draftes and a clever move on FA) and how Dans comments were shocking.
I did though say that while we had unsucessful finals series we had successful home and away seasons, and finals is a lot of luck, not a given and a platform to build on, oh and I'm not satisfied with the losses.

But yeah TI, I'm the one deflecting.... wow

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

Why how can I answer any of the questions if the review was done and three clowns have been moved into other areas? It's done so you comment on its choice and implications. What I would have done is irrelevant .
can't you see this?

More questions than just what would you have done handsome.

Why must you keep referring to these people as clowns?
This whole thing really isn't a charade to shut people up...
Balme really wouldn't have come across for that, he could have had a nice retirement package up in QLD.

Maybe, what would I know.

The whole RFC position at the moment feels like a feather in the wind. I think we will all be much more stable and comfortable/or not in January.

*I know, I know hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Well at least you admit something with substance.
I think we will all know a lot more in a month when we see the full changes from the review.
Itll take Balme a year to get his influence in the place anyway, but his first crunch time is the trade and FA period.
I'll leave the drafting and delistings to those outside of Balme as its not his area of expertise for now.

 

[TigerImposter]

Where did I say we were building a list based on those 3 finals?
I agreed that the top up route was wrong but can be recitifed (with some recent nice draftes and a clever move on FA) and how Dans comments were shocking.
I did though say that while we had unsucessful finals series we had successful home and away seasons, and finals is a lot of luck, not a given and a platform to build on, oh and I'm not satisfied with the losses.

But yeah TI, I'm the one deflecting.... wow

You claimed in an earlier post we were at stage one of the journey
In fairness to you you didn't mention the coach and year.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/review-completed.1145245/page-9

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

You claimed in an earlier post we were at stage one of the journey
In fairness to you you didn't mention the coach and year.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/review-completed.1145245/page-9

Qualifying for finals is one part of winning a flag is what I said.
Or one stage of the process, either one.

But that group that took us even last year will be different to the group that takes us to the next.

Hence my point that a re wire and a bit of luck could see us back in the finals but it would be a mst that we progress to the next phase of finals wins.

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

Here's two questions for you again though TigerImposter:

Do you give credit to Ben, Peggy and the board for identifying a structural issue within the FD via the blinding obvious, a in house review or the drafts of the independent review and going out and targeting Neil Balme and bringing him over with minimal fuss and zero leaks even after the train wreak that was the FoF fuss?

Do you credit Damien with being a good coach and one of change despite your agenda constantly telling us otherwise and how he is terrible and we cannot progress under him despite until this year always making progress?

If not, why those comments in 2015 and which story has less holes in it and why should we belive you one way or another?

 

[TigerImposter]

More questions than just what would you have done handsome.

Why must you keep referring to these people as clowns?
This whole thing really isn't a charade to shut people up...
Balme really wouldn't have come across for that, he could have had a nice retirement package up in QLD.

Well at least you admit something with substance.
I think we will all know a lot more in a month when we see the full changes from the review.
Itll take Balme a year to get his influence in the place anyway, but his first crunch time is the trade and FA period.
I'll leave the drafting and delistings to those outside of Balme as its not his area of expertise for now.

It's already been explained to you Balme wasn't interested in QLD so I will not go around in circles. This was an expensive charade so the club could be seen to be actually doing something.
Ease the masses and Balme may save a few bums as well as a few thousand memberships.
Also it's easy to get sucked in when the Tigers are winning and even the most critical lovers get sucked in. For people that have met me or actually know me ,they will vouch I'm more passionate than most. With 34 years of misery I take wins as a gift from heaven. So I have made half a dozen posts supporting DH in seven years with conditions set on them and suddenly I'm a hypocrite and BSA I think it's clutching at straws . I will give credit where it's warranted as I'm happy if I'm wrong , but really over 7 yrs with such an average list I feel we reached our peak

 

[TigerImposter]

Qualifying for finals is one part of winning a flag is what I said.
Or one stage of the process, either one.

But that group that took us even last year will be different to the group that takes us to the next.

Hence my point that a re wire and a bit of luck could see us back in the finals but it would be a mst that we progress to the next phase of finals wins.

What time phase.? 2017 -2018. Or 2019- 2023 or 2023+?

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

It's already been explained to you Balme wasn't interested in QLD so I will not go around in circles. This was an expensive charade so the club could be seen to be actually doing something.
Ease the masses and Balme may save a few bums as well as a few thousand memberships.
Also it's easy to get sucked in when the Tigers are winning and even the most critical lovers get sucked in. For people that have met me or actually know me ,they will vouch I'm more passionate than most. With 34 years of misery I take wins as a gift from heaven. So I have made half a dozen posts supporting DH in seven years with conditions set on them and suddenly I'm a hypocrite and BSA I think it's clutching at straws . I will give credit where it's warranted as I'm happy if I'm wrong , but really over 7 yrs with such an average list I feel we reached our peak

And yet it hasn't.
It's been known that the AFL were big advocates for him in QLD.
But still avoiding the question of any credit to those "clowns" for actually getting him or did we jjst fluke it and get it jus somehow?

So E&Y put together a phony review for a few hundred grand, reputation on the line within sporting organizations to make Gale look good?
That's what you're suggesting?

Come off it with the sucked in when winning and the passionate supporter life story.
More spin than a vinyl TI, getting worse than a Peggy presser!

So in all this time, despite the few positive posts saying he's adapted to change and actually been a good coach, you spend the rest of it hammering to us he's the worst coach ever and cannot change, is stubborn and taking us backwards.

So which is it? Is he adaptable and good, or stubborn and horrible?
Just sounds like you change your tune to suit your agenda here.

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

What time phase.? 2017 -2018. Or 2019- 2023 or 2023+?

Personally I'd like to see us back next year.
I don't think it's entirely out of the question either, with some of the changes I've stated before.
But if we do make it, it's imperitive we win a final.

So to answer your question, yes next year.

 

[NaturalDisaster]

So E&Y put together a phony review for a few hundred grand, reputation on the line within sporting organizations to make Gale look good?
That's what you're suggesting?

Ive seen this argument on a couple of boards and it is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

The only way it could have possibly be used to make gale look good is if they lied about the whole review, which I highly doubt. But the idea that they hired a company to do a false review is so naive.

 

[TigerImposter]

Here's two questions for you again though TigerImposter:

Do you give credit to Ben, Peggy and the board for identifying a structural issue within the FD via the blinding obvious, a in house review or the drafts of the independent review and going out and targeting Neil Balme and bringing him over with minimal fuss and zero leaks even after the train wreak that was the FoF fuss?

Do you credit Damien with being a good coach and one of change despite your agenda constantly telling us otherwise and how he is terrible and we cannot progress under him despite until this year always making progress?

If not, why those comments in 2015 and which story has less holes in it and why should we belive you one way or another?

The review FD issues were obvious and there is no credit for it and you cannot credit the changes bc we still don't know what it will do in the future in terms of success
Balme was a good get , but a lucky windfall as Allen happened to move into his boots. Still credit and again success will tell if it is.
DH gets very little credit with the FD for their achievements as Dan and DH went down the wrong path and we achieved nothing and are at a precarious stage as a football side compared to the pack
I think this mob has piggy backed of maric and the five and failed to build a genuine finals list. Based on your very first post I think you know where I stand with DH and your just playing the devil's advocate based on one post in the middle of mass hysteria of multiple wins. Happens to all desperate Tigers or aren't you won to have experienced it?

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

Ive seen this argument on a couple of boards and it is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

The only way it could have possibly be used to make gale look good is if they lied about the whole review, which I highly doubt. But the idea that they hired a company to do a false review is so naive.

And absurd!
They would have done and in house review and then only released it as "independent" if that were the case but no one's that stupid.

And they just don't lie to look good to be on the board of a football club.... like my god...
Most of them are volunteers anyway and anyone could replace them at any AGM.
..

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

The review FD issues were obvious and there is no credit for it and you cannot credit the changes bc we still don't know what it will do in the future in terms of success
Balme was a good get , but a lucky windfall as Allen happened to move into his boots. Still credit and again success will tell if it is.
DH gets very little credit with the FD for their achievements as Dan and DH went down the wrong path and we achieved nothing and are at a precarious stage as a football side compared to the pack
I think this mob has piggy backed of maric and the five and failed to build a genuine finals list. Based on your very first post I think you know where I stand with DH and your just playing the devil's advocate based on one post in the middle of mass hysteria of multiple wins. Happens to all desperate Tigers or aren't you won to have experienced it?

So the FD gets no credit for admitting there were issues?
Gets no credit for acting on the issues because we don't know what else they could do in the future?
What about the changes they just made??

So no one gets credit for Balme?
Balme just rang us up and said "I want to come to you, I've figured out what's wrong from the outside because you can't from the inside"??

Why are you bringing DH into this?
He's the head coach, we don't actually know how much input he has into that much.
Leave your DH bashing to the appropriate threads.

Piggy backed off one and a half good seasons?
And none of the 5 have played their best footy at the same time so I'm not sure where you're going still.

So either way you're full of shit?
He's either not as bad as you constantly say because he got you excited and made you double think your position, or he's a bad coach who gave you a false hope, but clearly not as bad as you constantly say because he has still taken the list to 3 finals.

And for such a shambolic list being carried by 5 players all playing their best footy in different years he's actually been remarkable one would say.

 

[TigerImposter]

So the FD gets no credit for admitting there were issues?
Gets no credit for acting on the issues because we don't know what else they could do in the future?
What about the changes they just made??

So no one gets credit for Balme?
Balme just rang us up and said "I want to come to you, I've figured out what's wrong from the outside because you can't from the inside"??

Why are you bringing DH into this?
He's the head coach, we don't actually know how much input he has into that much.
Leave your DH bashing to the appropriate threads.

Piggy backed off one and a half good seasons?
And none of the 5 have played their best footy at the same time so I'm not sure where you're going still.

So either way you're full of shit?
He's either not as bad as you constantly say because he got you excited and made you double think your position, or he's a bad coach who gave you a false hope, but clearly not as bad as you constantly say because he has still taken the list to 3 finals.

And for such a shambolic list being carried by 5 players all playing their best footy in different years he's actually been remarkable one would say.

So based on a post after a win I'm suddenly a BSA ?? It appears I cNnot win either way bc you're basing a post on 7 years of me demanding more.
Winning is a hysterical trap ,just as losing has its pitfalls.
80% plus wanted DH sacked. Now it wasn't like previous seasons.
So one post or two makes me a hypocrite after a great win. I mean you're trivialising the facts here. As I said winning is a great tonic and it cures all anger and negativity , but based on what you've read on here it's pretty obvious where I stand with the FD.
It's not win loss ratio and more to the lack of prep each year the size and shape of the guys the list cloggers the inability to land a big fish our depth our poor big stocks etc etc etc
As for Balme it's bs he wasn't going to qld even though me and others cracked the joke. Now drop it unless he states otherwise.
Benny said he was talking to him from round 22.
All lists with five a graders will peak , but with the lack of extra men they will reach their limit and this suggests why Lids and othe players are upset ( if true)
If you think we're finals contenders next year then I can see who likes to dream and is unrealistic with a bias. Next you're going to tell me me Hampson is a great ruckman and TV still has improvement in him at RFC. I remember wallet was once a great get on BF and look where that went. Proof is in the pudding.
This simple review IMO was a joke , but I could be wrong and time will only tell , all the same you could be too. We are debating over prediction of success v failure. Really just a waste of my sleep.

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

So based on a post after a win I'm suddenly a BSA ?? It appears I cNnot win either way bc you're basing a post on 7 years of me demanding more.
Winning is a hysterical trap ,just as losing has its pitfalls.
80% plus wanted DH sacked. Now it wasn't like previous seasons.
So one post or two makes me a hypocrite after a great win. I mean you're trivialising the facts here. As I said winning is a great tonic and it cures all anger and negativity , but based on what you've read on here it's pretty obvious where I stand with the FD.
It's not win loss ratio and more to the lack of prep each year the size and shape of the guys the list cloggers the inability to land a big fish our depth our poor big stocks etc etc etc
As for Balme it's bs he wasn't going to qld even though me and others cracked the joke. Now drop it unless he states otherwise.
Benny said he was talking to him from round 22.
All lists with five a graders will peak , but with the lack of extra men they will reach their limit and this suggests why Lids and othe players are upset ( if true)
If you think we're finals contenders next year then I can see who likes to dream and is unrealistic with a bias. Next you're going to tell me me Hampson is a great ruckman and TV still has improvement in him at RFC. I remember wallet was once a great get on BF and look where that went. Proof is in the pudding.
This simple review IMO was a joke , but I could be wrong and time will only tell , all the same you could be too. We are debating over prediction of success v failure. Really just a waste of my sleep.

Well, yeah pretty much.
Because you're either full of shit or you were wrong about Hardwick.
Positive or negative, which one was it?
Is a good coach or a bad coach?
Those comments weren't off one game, but a collective.

80% plus of who? This scarf will be enormous with all of your spin.
And yes, winning is great - but I'm not sure what it has to do with anything.

I don't disagree with the poor start to seasons or the list cloggers, we picked the wrong guys - imo we should have targeted guys like Chapman, Steve Johnson ect for 1-2 years and then transition into coaching.

So Ben was talking to him?
Any credit for actually bringing him over into the role without any leaks to the media?
Still not answering....

I never said that about finals, but you re write history, again, to suit your agenda because you can't handle it with the big boys - you'll have better luck on Punt Road End.

By the way, Hampson has developed very well from where we was and may yet again, but he will not be the answer, we must chas a Ruckman and TV is mentally cooked ay the Tigers.

My issue with you here TI is that we have spent hours with you dancing around the topic and questions dropping more spin than Warne.
That's the real shame.

 

[TigerImposter]

Well, yeah pretty much.
Because you're either full of shit or you were wrong about Hardwick.
Positive or negative, which one was it?
Is a good coach or a bad coach?
Those comments weren't off one game, but a collective.

80% plus of who? This scarf will be enormous with all of your spin.
And yes, winning is great - but I'm not sure what it has to do with anything.

I don't disagree with the poor start to seasons or the list cloggers, we picked the wrong guys - imo we should have targeted guys like Chapman, Steve Johnson ect for 1-2 years and then transition into coaching.

So Ben was talking to him?
Any credit for actually bringing him over into the role without any leaks to the media?
Still not answering....

I never said that about finals, but you re write history, again, to suit your agenda because you can't handle it with the big boys - you'll have better luck on Punt Road End.

By the way, Hampson has developed very well from where we was and may yet again, but he will not be the answer, we must chas a Ruckman and TV is mentally cooked ay the Tigers.

My issue with you here TI is that we have spent hours with you dancing around the topic and questions dropping more spin than Warne.
That's the real shame.

No spin, just you trying to convince me we are on a winning formula based on couple of posts v 11500 .
I'm sorry you're either brainwashed and cannot decipher between mediocre acceptable and excellent standards or you just have set the bar too low.
Anyway I love your positivity and I hope you're correct otherwise we will all be unhappy RFC supporters.
As far as talking shit and spin goes i think you've contributed to it just as much. You dance around from topic to topic and clutching on a couple of posts when I was in an elated fanbois state and possibly drunk. Who knows as I cannot recall that far back.
That's the real shame here as you still cannot tell me the benefits of the review which is the topic at hand. Please don't mention Balme as your outlet.

 

[duzzy]

zzzzzzzzzz

 

[TheLoungeLizard]

No spin, just you trying to convince me we are on a winning formula based on couple of posts v 11500 .
I'm sorry you're either brainwashed and cannot decipher between mediocre acceptable and excellent standards or you just have set the bar too low.
Anyway I love your positivity and I hope you're correct otherwise we will all be unhappy RFC supporters.
As far as talking shit and spin goes i think you've contributed to it just as much. You dance around from topic to topic and clutching on a couple of posts when I was in an elated fanbois state and possibly drunk. Who knows as I cannot recall that far back.
That's the real shame here as you still cannot tell me the benefits of the review which is the topic at hand. Please don't mention Balme as your outlet.

I think we'll have to juse agree to walk away as its not going anywhere now.

I haven't danced around anything... hahahaha

I think a major one is moving Richardson into a position he's suited for but to be honest I don't think we'll see all the changes truly implemented for another few weeks.
If round 1 rolls around and we're still here I'll be with you - but I'm prepared wait.
What else do we have to do?