jmac70
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Does that change the message behind his statement?
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It makes me question the sincerity of his comment in relation to the current situation.
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Show me your proof. Why do you feel like you have to slander him when you have no proof?
jmac70
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Well, I believe him.
I am slandering no one. I am suggesting that for an article of that length he would receive remuneration.
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show me your proof. You are absolutely slandering him because that is the point of your post. Otherwise i dont know why you posted it.
I am not suggesting that payment has influenced his views. I am not happy with this debate taking place via the media instead of directly with the club. If people are genuinely interested in being part of the process of change in the club, they would be offering their services and thoughts directly to the club. We know for instance that the ultimate aim of Lumumba's campaign is a financial settlement, particularly as he repeatedly refused direct discussion with the club and committee and has taken it straight to court.
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You have zero knowledge of HL's motivations, you are making those up as well. IF you can assume that, i can assume your motivations for posting are either you are just trying to discredit HL and LD and the report because you don't agree that the club is systemically racist or you actually are racist.
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C'mon guys.. ease up a bit would yaz.. perhaps just try something like closing your eyes and imagining watching waves breaking on the bay.. soft white sands.. a blue lagoon.. cocktail time.. a summers tune? A whole nights holidaaaahaaayyhaaaaay?
THE SALT
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You dont get a 10yr career from a racist club - doesnt make any sense Lumumba.
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That isn't quite how it works, and is a massive oversimplification
THE SALT
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I think its quite a powerful statement. Also considering some of the legendary players we moved on.
jmac70
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Did you read the Leon Davis article?
Leon had a problem in his first year (2000), but beyond that he doesn't detail anything specific spanning the final 10 years of his playing career.
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Yeah. They were incidents by playing group and some w***er fans. He talks about wider Australia.
When you consider charitable, social causes championed, its greater than most of the individual negatives or those voicing them.
sr36
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In terms of a reconciliation mediation/ conflict resolution, we've had a bit of movement as a result of it playing out in the media. HL said his beliefs ages ago. Bucks and co said their belief ages ago. As a result of the mediator (the reviewers) Bucks has better understood HLs point of view, which may have resulted in him softening his view of HL. I wonder if HL will be asked to understand Bucks's view? Unfortunately, I don't think so - until the court enforces mediation, but even then his heels are dug in and he's not going to listen.
I don't think anyone involved is a bad person or it was really about race. There was a conflict, a staff member was disgruntled. The club had the power and arrogantly decided they owned the truth and didn't listen and thus he didn't listen to them and it went pear shaped from there.
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I was watching the footy over the weekend and getting inundated with those NAB commercials...... more than just money. Pleasssssssssssssssseee....
The reason that I mention it is that not long ago, this bank was known as a shafter, a fleecer, a pack of scum. But it plodded on and did all the right things. Sinking a couple of million of their customers money into footy. Taking the credit for low mortgage rates that were gifted to it by the Federal Reserve. Keeping its head down and making out that it was smelling like roses.
It's a lesson for the Pies. Do the right things, tick all the boxes and the worm can turn.
The reason that I mention it is that not long ago, this bank was known as a shafter, a fleecer, a pack of scum. But it plodded on and did all the right things. Sinking a couple of million of their customers money into footy. Taking the credit for low mortgage rates that were gifted to it by the Federal Reserve. Keeping its head down and making out that it was smelling like roses.
It's a lesson for the Pies. Do the right things, tick all the boxes and the worm can turn.
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I'd consider them comments from improved understanding.
I'd consider them circumstances forcing a placatory statement regarding Lumumba which I am sure Buckley would prefer not to have to make. Waleed Aly has not apologised for his interview with the man and nor should Buckley apologise for anything. Unfortunately the club has been pressured in the media by the almost fluff media article by Davis who did not even serve under Buckley with Lumumba as a player. The club have to play the media game and the odds are weighted against them in this over-charged PC environment.
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I think Bucks comments were sincere and you're viewing them cynically.
I suppose I am viewing the comments from my point of view. You may well be right. I would not think an apology wise when you are being taken to court on a civil action, but perhaps Buckley and the club know what they are doing.
sr36
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Yeah I agree. I think Bucks is a touch on the spectrum when it comes to social stuff. But he learns lessons.
You're missing my point, i was referring to the author's article, nothing you said, you're not that important.
Oh and I'm pretty sure she was.
jmac70
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We are all on the spectrum
