Can't like your post enough TGG. You not only took the words out of my mouth, you eloquently expressed what I was thinking in a better way than I could have hoped to. Thank you for taking the time to make such a thoughtful, considered post.
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News Review into racism at Collingwood
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Hard to argue with any of that.
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Yeah, just wait until he starts his next gig, politics. God help us! Lucky we don't have nukes!!!
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" there are no known issues involving other coloured players who have recently been at the club." ??
Leon Davis Says Heritier Lumumba's Experiences Of Racism At Collingwood Is A Continuation Of His Own Experiences
"Why it touches a nerve, why it hurts us so much, is because we've had generation upon generation of genocide and murder and all that from the very beginning."
Five lengthy paragraphs and he basically said jack shit.
What goes on though?
The report had no incidents or names associated with it outside the public ones already known.
Rather that we lack a brand and that POC felt the club protected its image over complaints which lead to the systemic racism calls. Saying the club a few years ago changed its brand from biggest and best to some about inclusitivity and improving people but actions didn't meet the ideals.
It then goes on to state that we need more diversity of first nations people on all levels from the board to coaches to players.
Now I'm all for it so long as they are the best at what role they get and not tokenism.
I think you may have quoted the wrong poster, Weagle troll" there are no known issues involving other coloured players who have recently been at the club." ??
Leon Davis Says Heritier Lumumba's Experiences Of Racism At Collingwood Is A Continuation Of His Own Experiences
"Why it touches a nerve, why it hurts us so much, is because we've had generation upon generation of genocide and murder and all that from the very beginning."www.buzzfeed.com
BS mate. But it's a free country, and you're entitled to your opinion, however misguided it may be.
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I cannot see parties settling outside of court. To do so they’d have to talk and Lumumba agree to take part in an investigation. I can’t see the club apologising without knowing what exactly occurred. Plus settlement usually includes non-disclosure agreements and the platform seems important to Lumumba.
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You only need to read the comments on any facebook post by the club on indigenous issues to see how racism and ignorance flows through our fanbase. That shit is not exclusive to Collingwood though - it's an indictment on Australia. What is an indictment on Collingwood is our worn out leadership and broken record president. Glad the club did the review. Time for a cultural refresh.
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I was referring to and accepting the findings of the report in this regard. I'm assuming that the report's conclusions regarding a culture that ignored the problem and instead looked to spin comes from a combination of Goodes and Lumumba - a) Ed not unreservedly owning the Goodes comment, but instead going into damage control and looking to explain why he said it and what he meant by it. b) Lumumba - I'd suggest it's a totally different timeline than you're suggesting - from when Hertier voiced his concern up until now - once again looking for damage control in the media ahead of adequately reviewing the situation.
Sidey, "refresh the list", and pretty much all negative issues regarding Ed or those close to him have seen the club come out with spin - often ridiculous spin.
I can't remember the cheer squad incidents, but I assume that the club didn't go for spin in that regard - it's only those employed by the club who spin comes out to protect.
And it's not just Ed, it's the whole admin who have dealt with things this way, but I view it (perhaps incorrectly) as Ed setting the agenda of how to deal with negativity regarding errors. And perhaps they feel that despite the spin, they are tackling these issues behind the scenes. But in the racial issue, the public spin does harm, regardless of whether they are just doing it for brand or personal image protection.
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I can see the club offering the olive branch off the back of this review and Ed's comments. Not sure about H's willingness to accept. Wouldn't be possible if non-disclosure was a requisite. I'm not too sure (without seeing the basis of his charges) he'll do too well in a civil unsafe workplace case when we hear that when he flagged his issues, they were addressed by the club with the players, and they (apparently) ceased.
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Ppl dont know what Trump did for America bc the media wont print it, only negative shit.
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The vibe I get is that H wants to expose grievances rather than settle and move on from them. If that vibe is correct, there's little chance of him accepting a non-disclosure clause or an olive branch.
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News flash - It's part of being human.
Two points:" there are no known issues involving other coloured players who have recently been at the club." ??
Leon Davis Says Heritier Lumumba's Experiences Of Racism At Collingwood Is A Continuation Of His Own Experiences
"Why it touches a nerve, why it hurts us so much, is because we've had generation upon generation of genocide and murder and all that from the very beginning."
1. Part of this article concerns Leon Davis' support for Lumumba. I stated clearly that I was leaving the Lumumba accusations for the court hearing and that because Lumumba was a player recently at the club, the outcome would very much effect the impact of the report. Lumumba has also seemed to absolve Mick Malthouse of any blame and had his sights set almost solely on Buckley. Leon Davis was not at the club under Buckley (in fact, it seems he may have left because he did not want to play under him) and therefore is not a direct witness of any alleged racism directed at Lumumba during Buckley's coaching tenure.
2. If you are suggesting that Leon Davis is an example of a victim of racism, he was drafted more than 20 years ago in 1999 and said he was racially vilified early in his career. The report is largely concerned with the club's ineptness at dealing with racial issues. However the article you quoted does not support a view that the club dealt poorly with racist issues, in fact, quite the opposite.
'Davis still doesn't feel comfortable going public with the details of what he experienced, but says it was dealt with strongly at the time by the club. He says he still has a good relationship with Collingwood, and its management.'
For so many reasons, this now has to be played out to the end.
In 2020 when H raised these issues again, the response by Eddie and Bucks was to claim they had reached out and to cast aspersions on his (mental) health/wellbeing. I had no idea of what really happened but that response told me they were out of touch with modern values around racism. I think Krak was the one to name it for what it was.
Anyway, fast forward to today and what we have is a snapshot of the pies through a pretty progressive lens with relationship to racism. Whilst a lot want to tar and feather Eddie, what we have is the product of ignorance rather than intent, the product of putting the game, the club, the organisation first and spin, spin, spin. Both of those forces are found throughout our society, they are the same forces that perpetuated sexism and allowed sexual abuse to flourish in our institutions. Seems it is easier to make Eddie the scapegoat than individuals/institutions search their own soul.
What do we do at the pies? They are deeply embedded values. The spin, in regards to the pies, that this relates to our past is completely undone when we look at how H’s complaints were responded to last year or Eddie’s press conference this year. Don’t be fooled, Buck’s is neck deep. As far as the pies are concerned a bit of blood letting and some educational seminars will not cut the mustard. That is why some degree of affirmative actions is relevant: to bring in people who on a deep level have that different set of values. The mere fact that we employ someone on the basis of what they might bring to the table in terms of combatting racism as opposed to what they might bring to the table in terms of winning games (or vice versa) will demonstrate what we value most.
Personally, I think the board and coaches should all tender their resignations. Let this year be a write off. Deal with it now. Eddie is gone. Nathan will follow by end of year. Most of the board also. Posted it last year: club’s in the biggest mess since ’77.
Anyway, fast forward to today and what we have is a snapshot of the pies through a pretty progressive lens with relationship to racism. Whilst a lot want to tar and feather Eddie, what we have is the product of ignorance rather than intent, the product of putting the game, the club, the organisation first and spin, spin, spin. Both of those forces are found throughout our society, they are the same forces that perpetuated sexism and allowed sexual abuse to flourish in our institutions. Seems it is easier to make Eddie the scapegoat than individuals/institutions search their own soul.
What do we do at the pies? They are deeply embedded values. The spin, in regards to the pies, that this relates to our past is completely undone when we look at how H’s complaints were responded to last year or Eddie’s press conference this year. Don’t be fooled, Buck’s is neck deep. As far as the pies are concerned a bit of blood letting and some educational seminars will not cut the mustard. That is why some degree of affirmative actions is relevant: to bring in people who on a deep level have that different set of values. The mere fact that we employ someone on the basis of what they might bring to the table in terms of combatting racism as opposed to what they might bring to the table in terms of winning games (or vice versa) will demonstrate what we value most.
Personally, I think the board and coaches should all tender their resignations. Let this year be a write off. Deal with it now. Eddie is gone. Nathan will follow by end of year. Most of the board also. Posted it last year: club’s in the biggest mess since ’77.
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With Lumumba's complaints, I think it's pretty clear that the review doesn't look at his treatment within the club leading up to his complaint, so it says absolutely nothing about these parts of his claims. But the review does look at how Collingwood handled a racial complaint. So his criticisms of how the club has handled the situation is relevant and covered by the review.
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The admin staff would also be heavily involved and the lack of the support of the current players - all of them need to go. Why not shut down the club and restart it next year under a new name and colours?
Why not offer the presidency to Heritier? That would certainly deal with what the media considers is the main issue... I saw a half page photo of nicky winmar in the West Australian today. Is he available? I think we need to be bold
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I find the Collingwood donald Trump disingenuous when eddie is probably left of the alp, let alone donal Trump!
Its ironic that in our country the lnp gets a free pass and murdocracy who broke the story supported Trump.
If eddie was the leader of australia he'd be u dwr far less pressure
