Autopsy Review: St KIlda v Melbourne

[AuntieBarrels]

Good to see the kicking drill at the draft combine that Petracca failed so miserably two years ago was an accurate indicator. He's a 6ft version of Tom Boyd, fat, lazy, arrogant but 7 million bucks poorer.

As far as Roos goes, you only have to speak to Swans players who played under him to find out that he's a first class **** wit and a novice strategist. We can now add sore loser to his cv. Ross Lyon was the brains behind Roos' tenure at Sydney, closely followed by horse, Roos was just the puppet.

One last thing, he gave up Josh Kelly to speed up their rebuild, that worked well!

Hahaha wow seriously??

The kid is technically playing in his first year after coming off an ACL injury... I don't think a "lazy, fat, arrogant" kid would recover so well off an injury like that at 19 years of age. He's actually having a pretty good year so far. Hard at it, and a goal-kicking midfielder. You'll definitely regret your words in a couple of years. He's going to be a star

 

[bird_man]

So salty

It's gotta be the palm trees. He seems like a really likable guy otherwise...

 

[PetWussy]

It's gotta be the palm trees. He seems like a really likable guy otherwise...

Its probably because clubs see him as a good version of jesse white..can see why they hate

 

[Gangnam Saint]

Hickey was huge yesterday especially in his follow up, defensive work and even creating turnovers.
In terms of influence he shaded Gawn which is a massive scalp.
The only real knock on him is his lack of bulk but then you would lose the athleticism and ability with the ball on the deck.
Loved his game.

 

[bird_man]

Hickey was huge yesterday especially in his follow up, defensive work and even creating turnovers.
In terms of influence he shaded Gawn which is a massive scalp.
The only real knock on him is his lack of bulk but then you would lose the athleticism and ability with the ball on the deck.
Loved his game.

Take away Nic Nat, and I can't think of a better ruckmen off the deck than Hickey. It's like having an extra mid in there at times.

 

[mysainters]

the thing I notice with Acres is that when he has time and space, I feel he over thinks things and will make a poor decision.. However when he has no time to think he plays on instinct and will do something that shows why we have such high hopes for him.
Once he plays a string of games and gets more confident in himself and his role in the team I have no doubt he'll explode

Really like this, sums it up.

Definitely overthinking it, needs a few weeks in a row to feel confident.

 

[The Punter]

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[Stewart66]

Really excited to see Billings and Acres in particular hopefully follow a similar trajectory to Ross, once they build up their fitness.

Ross looked like a plodder for much of his early career (with the potential shining through).

Since his fitness has got to AFL level, his game has taken off.

Hopefully the same goes for those two.

P

I'm really confused by Roos' comments. I mean, how is a ball clearly touched on the line a bad call? How is elbowing a defender in the head not a free kick? Perhaps he should focus on the free kick in front of goal (which Hogan missed). The one where Hogan grabbed Dempster, pulled him off balance and yet the umpire only sees the Dempster hold afterwards? How opposition coaches keep bringing up stupid decisions when the get the rub is just beyond me, do coaches understand the rules of the game?

Roos going to Melbourne is an embarrassment on the game. Dees get fined for 'not' tanking, get a handout far exceeding the fine, get a Frawley disguiswd PP/compo pick, an AFL appointed coach and ceo (or was it president), then proceed to marginally improve over his tenure.

Roos says before the game both sides equal, then when they lose convincingly its because we played veterans and he is going through a different type of rebuild. Yeah Roosy, the 15 year type...

The number of first round picks that club have been given and failed to develop is higher than any club, its deplorable. No other club away from the plastic teams have been given as many chances in the modern era to be successful but still they keep up with the same old dribble about rebuilds.

Don't even get me started on his, we don't have a Dangerfield type player who can kick 4 goals from the midfield. Pretty sure no other team in the comp bar Geelong this year have that.

No team will have success if their coach doesn't want to coach and only sees $ signs.

Anyone who thinks Roos was good for Melbourne is nuts, yes they may play finals when we do but its a natural result of a 15 year rebuild not some washed up coach who is sounding crazier than Kevin Sheedy in his prime!

End rant... ah, that feels better.

Paul loves to deflect pressure from the football world , clearly Goodwin had the influence pre game tactics
but Roos loves to get media talking about anything other than his coaching he uses it to talk the talk
and count his money in Hawaii come the end of the year.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

the manic tackling and pressure deep in our forward line leading to Joeys Free Kick and goal

Was right in front of us, the whole crowd in our little Bay was going crazy at the umpires...atmosphere was incredible!!

 

[CursingFijian]

Whoop whoop. Had a blast yesterday. Not only did I get to sing the song, but I also enjoyed watching a stream of Melbourne supporters leaving half way through the fourth, while lamenting about how deplorable their boys were, and questioning why they just can't bring it against the Saints! I don't get that in the living room and on the telly...another benefit for those who go to games.

Early on though we missed two from the goal square and they banged two from long range and I sent a short prayer to the footy gods.

Tom Hickey was enormous. Love his tackle technique. Watching live I was surprised by the number of times he got himself into a great position to receive a pass by foot, only to be ignored. I think if the team can be confident about his ability to dispose (he did kick one howler yesterday) he could become a very handy part of the midfield.

Jack Newnes was bloody fantastic in the fourth. Viney had taken that mark late in the third and looked like he was up and about. Newnes met him very hard at a contested ball early in the fourth which I am sure knocked some of the wind out of his sails. Then he went on to do the same again with Van Den Berg I think, then Gawn.

I love how tough the team is now. Really looks like the boys have decided we are not going to be pushed around anymore. Weller in the goal square gave it to one of the McDonalds I think, and he shrunk a little. Of all of them I would say Joey is falling off tackles that someone of his experience should be sticking everyday of the week. I'll bet you that there are a few who can hear Mav coming though.

TIm Membrey covers some ground and works his opponent really hard. Great to see him getting early reward for that.

RIcho is developing the team very well. The attacking game took a while but it looks more and more natural each week, like we have been doing it forever. The come off your man and defend tactic also has taken a while, but clearly the boys are reading it better, to the extent they're coming off in pairs and picking up loose men quickly. We want to be tough in the contest and the tackle and that is certainly showing. Our handballs looked harder and faster than Melbournes. I think if we can just get clean in our disposal by foot we will become a team that is very hard to beat.

Anyway. Every time a Melbourne supporter walked past me I would politely ask 'Knock Knock'. But I got no takers.



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[Winmar2Lockett]

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Fantastic work Punter. Spot on

 

[George]

Full game:

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Take away Nic Nat, and I can't think of a better ruckmen off the deck than Hickey. It's like having an extra mid in there at times.

Considering we had plenty of mid's who didn't get 21 disposals ( 14 contested :O ).
It could actually be the way to make it work with both Longer and Hickey.
Longer could be the ruckman, Hickey third man up, or just general midfielder in a way. We had Gilbert playing as a tall mid, but Hickey is better i think.

 

[crasha301]

the manic tackling and pressure deep in our forward line leading to Joeys Free Kick and goal

Was right in front of us, the whole crowd in our little Bay was going crazy at the umpires...atmosphere was incredible!!

I was going off my tit at the tv when that happened, the camera went onto the crowd of saints fans going of their heads. Loved seeing that.

 

[plugger66]

Considering we had plenty of mid's who didn't get 21 disposals ( 14 contested :O ).
It could actually be the way to make it work with both Longer and Hickey.
Longer could be the ruckman, Hickey third man up, or just general midfielder in a way. We had Gilbert playing as a tall mid, but Hickey is better i think.

I don't get this at all. The better Hickey plays the less chance Longer does. Are you really going to drop a mid so Hickey plays in there? Not a hope. Unless we get injuries we just aren't going to play 2 ruckmen. Yep my opinion but ive seen nothing to suggest it is possible in todays footy unless both or at least one is an effective forward.

 

[Diehard Saint]

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Excellent write up and recent history reminder. Thank you.

 

[RoundCubic]

Considering we had plenty of mid's who didn't get 21 disposals ( 14 contested :O ).
It could actually be the way to make it work with both Longer and Hickey.
Longer could be the ruckman, Hickey third man up, or just general midfielder in a way. We had Gilbert playing as a tall mid, but Hickey is better i think.

Hickey resting forwards sometimes now think he will start kicking a couple.
Shoulder injury and then concussion have hurt Longers development but for that system to work they both have to do something around the ground.
Longer is a giant witches hat outside of the clearances you would get nothing from Longer when Hickey was rucking.
He'll be given 12 months to develop his around the ground work and if he doesn't we will trade him to someone who needs a pure ruck

 

[RoundCubic]

As i have said when Roo retires we need another tall and 2 rucks work and give flexibility.
But the way Hickey has gone ahead and with Paddy, Bruce and Membrey forward we don't want him sitting in the goal square so either Longer develops or we get draft trade an athletic forward or undersized ruck (Rhys Stanley minus the injuries).
The fantasy though if Longer got his around the ground work together is 2 rucks who get 60 HO, tackle and get their own clearences and then can drop back/forward for a mark or be a target kicking out from defence is jizz worthy.

 

[plugger66]

As i have said when Roo retires we need another tall and 2 rucks work and give flexibility.
But the way Hickey has gone ahead and with Paddy, Bruce and Membrey forward we don't want him sitting in the goal square so either Longer develops or we get draft trade an athletic forward or undersized ruck (Rhys Stanley minus the injuries).
The fantasy though if Longer got his around the ground work together is 2 rucks who get 60 HO, tackle and get their own clearences and then can drop back/forward for a mark or be a target kicking out from defence is jizz worthy.

Is it really though. How does the forward line work even if both can hold down a spot there. I would never be playing a forward line of McCartin, Bruce, Membery and a resting ruck ever. There just would be enough pressure if we didn't mark the ball. We had to move Roo because we need to develop other talls and he one of the great forwards.

And maybe I'm reading this all wrong but I don't get the fascination of moving potentially our best ruckman since Spider into another position even if its for half the game just to get another player in who IMO wont actually improve the side. Not because he isn't good enough but because it stuffs up a potentially great forward structure.

 

[Joffaboy]

Is it really though. How does the forward line work even if both can hold down a spot there. I would never be playing a forward line of McCartin, Bruce, Membery and a resting ruck ever. There just would be enough pressure if we didn't mark the ball. We had to move Roo because we need to develop other talls and he one of the great forwards.

Wouldnt be that. Membrey up the ground same with Bruce. Both have tanks.

 

[plugger66]

Wouldnt be that. Membrey up the ground same with Bruce. Both have tanks.

Don't we like Membrey kicking goals?

 

[RoundCubic]

It doesn't work if they all sit in the goal square but it means like when Roo, Bruce, Paddy and Hickey are playing u always have 3 talls on the ground and i wasnt talking of just resting them in the goal square if Longer or Pierce don't develop we will go get another tall who can we can't risk only having 1 player who can ruck in a GF. Imagine a 2019 GF no Roo in the team and Hickey goes down before half time we are forced to put Bruce in the Ruck. Paddy and Membrey gets monstered or we move Carlisle and they kick 10 cause Bruce/Carlisle win 0 HO's and we have now short defence

 

[plugger66]

It doesn't work if they all sit in the goal square but it means like when Roo, Bruce, Paddy and Hickey are playing u always have 3 talls on the ground and i wasnt talking of just restung then in the goal square if Longer or Pierce don't develop we will go get another tall who can we can't risk only having 1 player who can ruck in a GF. Imagine a 2019 GF no Roo in the team and Hickey goes before half time we are forced to put Bruce in the Ruck. Paddy and Membrey gets monstered or we move Carlisle and they kick 10 cause Bruce/Carlisle win 0 HO's and we have now short defence

So you want to play another ruckman in case of injury? If that is the case surely we should be doing it in every game not just GF's. And I know they aren't going to sit in the goal square but they don't now and we still moved our best ever centre half forward so other forwards would develop. I think unless your side is as strong as Hawthorn you have to take a punt and go into games with just the one ruck. And you could put any scenario out there. Imagine if we don't get an injury and its a wet GF and we have a forward line of Hickey or Longer, Bruce, membery and McCartin.

 

[Joffaboy]

Don't we like membery kicking goals?

Not all game. It would only be when Hickey was resting up forward.
Membrey could have 5 or 6 goal assists

BTW agree with you re two rucks, just saying the forward line wouldnt remain static IF they went for resting a ruck forward.

 

[plugger66]

Not all game. It would only be when Hickey was resting up forward.
Membrey could have 5 or 6 goal assists

BTW agree with you re two rucks, just saying the forward line wouldnt remain static IF they went for resting a ruck forward.

Yes I know that but it doesn't now and they still really don't have room for Roo but others want to make room for Hickey. To me that makes no sense and I cant see it happening but I have been wrong many times before I am will be wrong again. Remember the resting ruck forward would have to be there most of the game or it wrecks rotations.