Club Focus Richmond 2024

[Ticky009]

Data from footywire. To check the draft order see the thread here.

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[Sphynx]

So you'll keep it then.

Of course we would...

Why would you flush one of the most valuable future picks in the market down the toilet?

This is not a super draft. LOL.

It has good depth.

 

[perplexed]

We are in no position to get cute, we have to take best Talent available.

We will prioritise talent.

OMFG. Within a minute of me posting a reasonable question I get matching vacuous responses. Are Richmond running bots on BF?

 

[Morro]

OMFG. Within a minute of me posting a reasonable question I get matching vacuous responses. Are Richmond running bots on BF?

Would have thought both were reasonable but very accurate responses.

Would you like me to refer you to a supervisor?

 

[richoatthedisco]

Of course we would...

Why would you flush one of the most valuable future picks in the market down the toilet?

This is not a super draft. LOL.

It has good depth.

Not would, will. You're not getting better than pick 15 for it. Maybe GWS throws you a bone and gives you 15 and 37. So you will keep it.

Anyway, this is the Richmond thread. Enough talk about how North will have to keep the F1 it tried all trade week to get rid of.

By the way, are you still trying to convince Richmond supporters we should take Smillie at 1, or have you abandoned that disingenuous nonsense?

OMFG. Within a minute of me posting a reasonable question I get matching vacuous responses. Are Richmond running bots on BF?

RUOK?

Yeah, it was a reasonable question, if over-simplified and cliched. You got reasonable responses. Chill.

 

[tiger_tough]

If Richmond do actually want FOS, they definitely now have to trade up for 2.

It's probably in Norths best interest to split pick two isn't it? Don't think either team will get reamed if a trade for 2 occurs.

 

[blaisee]

Of course we would...

Why would you flush one of the most valuable future picks in the market down the toilet?

This is not a super draft. LOL.

It has good depth.

Exactly, which is why you will be desperate to get back in it

 

[blaisee]

There are going to be a line of clubs queuing up for Richmond's picks in this draft

In the end my prediction is they will take 6 picks this year in the first round, slide one down to the second round a few times

End up with 7 players they want drafted in 2024

And have 6/7 1st and 2nd rounders for 2025 ( they already have 2, so I am saying 4/5 more for 2025 )

Every single club will come knocking for our picks, it is a sellers market, and we have a monopoly on the supply

 

[THE_GUN]

Trading our F1 for Pick 15 is about as likely as Richmond trading us 6,10,11,18 for Pick 2.

Out of curiosity what do you believe is the value of your F1 ?
Personally, i believe all teams will be looking to get into this years draft and will be offering up their F1's pick's and nobody is going to value Norths F1 as a top 5 pick for next year. North will improve and teams will take that into consideration

picks #1 , #10 , #11 will be used #6 could be traded with #18 to move upto #2 ( If Richmond even want pick #2 at the expense of another pick for a 4 spot upgrade)

 

[blaisee]

Trading our F1 for Pick 15 is about as likely as Richmond trading us 6,10,11,18 for Pick 2.

You could not possibly really believe that ?

What if that was the best offer for your F1, and took FOS at 2?

 

[THE_GUN]

Unless its an offer way too good to pass up i cant see why Richmond would trade out of this draft which is meant to be extremely deep and high quality running to 30-35 for a pick next year where its considered to be shallow and alot of academy picks in the high end. no point trading pick #10 this year for pick #8 next year

 

[Sphynx]

You could not possibly really believe that ?

What if that was the best offer for your F1, and took FOS at 2?

We keep it?

 

[Sphynx]

Exactly, which is why you will be desperate to get back in it

Desperate, how?

You started reeling off supply theory.

Here's another:

2,4,20,22,23,3,4,26,22,25,38,3,13,26

Those are the picks taken in the last 4 drafts by the club.

I have no idea why you think we would be desperate to do anything. We don't even have the list spots to split into a massive bundle of picks.

We are one of the few clubs who can afford to prioritize quality and players who offer a POD.

Why wouldn't we consider pairing Lalor, Sheezel and Duursma as a trio that could roate forward and through the middle?

Or have a wing pairing of FOS and McKercher?

 

[TigerTime88]

Unless its an offer way too good to pass up i cant see why Richmond would trade out of this draft which is meant to be extremely deep and high quality running to 30-35 for a pick next year where its considered to be shallow and alot of academy picks in the high end. no point trading pick #10 this year for pick #8 next year

I agree. Particularly given some commentary around a pick 25 this year is closer to a normal 10.

 

[Rich01]

If Richmond do actually want FOS, they definitely now have to trade up for 2.

Correct.
I think they do.
But how much do they value FOS over a Langford, Smillie or Tauru of which 3 are likely to be there at 6?
And is that value worth one of the late teens picks?

They do like all these four players that may be there at 6. It will just come down to how much more they love FOS.

Spose we will find out if they accept the trade proposal.

 

[bc27]

Of course we have a clue.

Perfectly reasonable to make a judgement between relative strengths of years.

I’m sure you agree with the fact this draft is deep? It is. You can only make that call with a similar comparison.

I however also think the midfield group, which happen to also be the top 4-5 likely picks, is a tad overrated, as that tends to happen as you approach the draft.

There’s question marks on most of them, Draper and Smith less so, but there’s some points against each of these two also. More so than you tend to find in mids at this end of the draft in most years.

No chance in hell FOS goes pick 2 in most drafts with the year he’s had. This isn’t even a Wardlaw scenario (who had great form and missed most of the year and was viewed almost similarly to JHF in the Vic underage setups from about u/14’s onwards) FOS has played a vast portion of it and hardly fired a shot.

The Dusty comparisons to Lalor have no basis in any of the athletic testing. Dusty was extremely quick and despite his talk pre draft, posted really excellent endurance numbers for his body shape and playing style. Lalor is more Jake Stringer than Dustin Martin at the moment.

These are likely Pick 1 and Pick 2 in a midfield heavy draft.l as you’ve stated.

Then you have Draper, a really quiet start to the year with excellent SANFL performances and the athletic profile to warrant a top pick. Potential go home favor etc. There’s always been marks on his disposal.

Jagga is probably the one who’s had the consistent runs on the board, has somewhat the athletic profile of a top midfield pick. But he’s really not a lot different to someone like Caleb Serong who went at 8 in his draft year. Again, marks on his disposal.


Smillie had a really underwhelming season compared to what he promised to have at the start of the season. Can he transition into a AFL mid, or is he more Brodie Kemp than Patrick Cripps?

Langford had a season that would warrant a top pick, but he’d have to break barriers given his athletic testing in doing so.

That’s not to say that any of these guys couldn’t turn into superstars. They just carry far more question marks than normal at this end of the draft.

By extension I think the talls are vastly underrated, as well as some of the specialist positional players like the 3rd tall utility’s and small forwards.

In fact you could argue the true #1 picks are those like Travaglia on performance, upside, athletic profile etc. However he’s simply in a position that will never warrant that investment.

Armstrongs run came a little late, but was his year really much different to Aaron Cadman? You could argue it is potentially better on paper. Again, an example of the talls being undervalued vs other years imo.

I mentioned it on your board, but there’s not a hope in hell that any mid other than Levi may have been selected ahead of Reid or McKercher (which the Richmond board scoffed at), the same goes for Sheezel, Wardlaw, Ashcroft (compared to FOS) then you get to JHF, Callaghan, Daicos, then Rowell, Anderson etc.

This draft probably has 15 guys in it that might have had claims as a top 10 pick (and another 15 that would have claims as top 20 picks) in a lot of years, but the midfield group is certainly a weird one and would struggle to crack the top 4-5 of most years imo.

If Lalor does in fact go at #1 he’s probably the the most speculative top selection as a mid since Rayner imo. FOS would frank that as arguably the most #2 also. And that drafts midfield group is probably a very comparable one to this imo.

Out of interest how much of FOS have you actually watched in person?

 

[blaisee]

We keep it?

No one is bidding for Nth F1 before Pick 14 Fremantle , so you might have to, but having 1 pick in this draft won't really happen and you know that.

Pick 7, 8 St kilda no chance
Pick 9 Melbourne no chance
Pick 10,11 Richmond no chance
Pick 12 West Coast no chance
Pick 13 Port No chance
Pick 14, yep

 

[Sphynx]

No one is bidding for Nth F1 before Pick 14 Fremantle , so you might have to, but having 1 pick in this draft won't really happen and you know that.

Pick 7, 8 St kilda no chance
Pick 9 Melbourne no chance
Pick 10,11 Richmond no chance
Pick 12 West Coast no chance
Pick 13 Port No chance
Pick 14, yep

Why exactly do we have to trade it for a single pick there? And why does it have to be a F1 in your theory?

 

[blaisee]

Why exactly do we have to trade it for a single pick there? And why does it have to be a F1 in your theory?

This on the basis that you take a player at pick2, and then want to get back in the draft.

You don't have anything else to offer other than F1

 

[Makeshift Park]

This on the basis that you take a player at pick2, and then want to get back in the draft.

You don't have anything else to offer other than F1

We could be after someone off the radar, for whom we use f2/3 to trade in for on draft night.

But yeah, I think if you were to run a straw poll of Richmond, nm and neutral supporters right now on the most likely trade for pick 2, it would be 6 and 18.

 

[THE_GUN]

No one is bidding for Nth F1 before Pick 14 Fremantle , so you might have to, but having 1 pick in this draft won't really happen and you know that.

Pick 7, 8 St kilda no chance
Pick 9 Melbourne no chance
Pick 10,11 Richmond no chance
Pick 12 West Coast no chance
Pick 13 Port No chance
Pick 14, yep

Freo also wont trade out of this draft

Why would they want to be holding 3 1st round picks next year when trading for warner / Pickett
they would be in the same position they were in with Shai Bolton and Sydney / Melbourne would bend them over for it

 

[THE_GUN]

Why exactly do we have to trade it for a single pick there? And why does it have to be a F1 in your theory?

You are posting a hell of alot of posts on trading out norths picks but never give a definitive opinion on exactly you believe North would get and who from for pick #2 and Norths F1

maybe lets see your valuations on their worth

 

[THE_GUN]

We could be after someone off the radar, for whom we use f2/3 to trade in for on draft night.

But yeah, I think if you were to run a straw poll of Richmond, nm and neutral supporters right now on the most likely trade for pick 2, it would be 6 and 18.

Then you are on the wrong thread as these 2 picks will get you pick #40+ and we dont have that selection

 

[Makeshift Park]

Then you are on the wrong thread as these 2 picks will get you pick #40+ and we dont have that selection

It was a response to a false assertion by a Richmond poster in this thread you gronk.

 

[THE_GUN]

It was a response to a false assertion by a Richmond poster in this thread you gronk.

LOl gronk.


Coming from you FMD

 

[Coach_Required]

North posters in this thread are giving me flashbacks to the CCJ trade.