Richmond drafting - explains a lot

[SumTingWong]

Mods are clearly on the turps this weekend if this troll's thread hasn't been removed and the flog banned. BF really is a s***hole these days!

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

Mods are clearly on the turps this weekend if this troll's thread hasn't been removed and the flog banned. BF really is a s***hole these days!

mate if you haven't realized by now trolling richmond is encouraged but god help you if you say anything bad about carlton or the roos

 

[Deanos]

Richmond has been an average football team for the best part of 35 years. Is it culture or is it down to poor recruiting? I believe it is a combination of both and have put together their draft/trade history (over the last ten years) to enhance my view. I have rated their players as a win/loss/ok; this is obviously subjective.

Makes for interesting reading and shows why they haven’t won a final in 15 years.


2006
Riewoldt (12) & Edwards (26), Jake King (rookie) - WINS
Connors – OK
Traded in Polak and Riewoldt & Collins (23 goals in 25 games, turned into Shaun Grigg) for their Ben Reid & Bacher houli (got him for free later on) – LOSS *thats win and your contradicting yourself here
Peterson, Collins, Kingsley, Clingan - LOSS

2007
Cotchin (2) & Rance (18) – WIN
Traded in Jordan McMahon for pick 19 – LOSS
Dean Putt (51), Gourdis, Collard, Silvester, Howat – LOSS

2008
Ty Vickery (8) & Nahas - OK *thats a loss
Traded in Adam Thomson for pick 42 – LOSS
Post, Hislop, Cousins, Browne, Gilligan - LOSS

2009
Martin (3) & Grimes – WIN
Astbury, Griffiths (19) – OK
Dea , Taylor, Webberley, Nason, Hicks, Contin, Roberts, Nicholas Westhoff - LOSS

2010
Houli - WIN
Batchelor – OK
Conca (6), Helbig, Derickx, MacDonald, Jakobi, Miller - LOSS

2011
Brandon Ellis (15) – WIN
Traded in Ivan Maric for pick 37 - OK (played a couple of good seasons early but hardly played a game in two years) *Win
Traded in Steven Morris for swap of high draft picks (14/15) – any trade that gets Morris to your club is a LOSS *neither a win or a loss
Elton (26), Arnot, O’Hanlon, Marric, Darrou, Verrier, Turner, Wright – LOSS

2012
Vlaustin (9) - WIN
Troy Chaplin traded in for second rounder *Free agent Win
McIntosh - OK
Chris Knights traded in – LOSS
Aaron Edwards, McBean, McDonaugh, Petterd, Lonergon, Stephensson, Williams – LOSS

2013
Sam Lloyd (66), Miles (rookie) – WIN
Hampson traded in for pick 32 – ok
BenLennon (12) *too early, but fitness/work effort suggests loss
Gordon, Banfield, Thomas – LOSS

2014
Menadue (31) , Short (rookie), Lambert (Rookie) - OK
Corey Ellis (pick 12) *too early
Taylor Hunt, Butler, MacKenzie, Soldo - LOSS

2015
Rioli, Markov & Broad all look like WINS so far
Yarran *too early
Andrew Moore, Townsend - LOSS

So roughly, over the last 10 years, Richmond has traded in 89 players.

• 15 WINS
  
• 13 OK players
  
• 61 LOSSES

They get 1 in 6 right. No wonder they are in no-man’s land...

 

[Hans McGregor]

Carlton vs Richmond shitfights... where the irrelevancy of the clubs is matched only by their own over inflated egos. What a time to be alive.

You're taking the piss right?

 

[54dreamsalive]

Everyones teams have history of bad picks

 

[NeXus Nick]

Everyones teams have history of bad picks

Not as many as Richmond though.
The funny thing is that Hardwick still doesn't understand that they need a full on rebuild. He is still bringing in middle aged guys instead of going for youth. It is absolutely hilarious what is going on down there at Tiger land. At the end of 2017 when Hardwick is sacked their list will be in worse shape than St Kilda's was at the end of 2014. If the un-thinkable happens and Hardwick doesn't get sacked then Richmond will spend another 10 years in the bottom half of the ladder. As I said, it is absolutely hilarious and it is a classic case of delusions of grandeur on Hardwick's part.

 

[Funk]

Mods are clearly on the turps this weekend if this troll's thread hasn't been removed and the flog banned. BF really is a s***hole these days!

Your "user name" perfectly encapsulates Tigers List Management!!

Now that is funny!

 

[Love the Drake]

So we can see in reality it is no loss because at present it utterly clear he has not had enough time free of injury and time on field to be even judged. First season what games he did play were sub type roles.
Just playing games in your first season is a start, especially more so if injured for some time, which Ellis was.
It would be like us judging Harry McKay because he has not shown anything so far because he has barely got on park.
Simple mate, you cannot judge any players in system for less than two full years. For most players that make it, it takes a good three years just to even be close to being a regular senior player. It is no loss.
Judge in a couple of years when had enough pre-seasons under belt. Not every good player that play a long AFL career has the starts that a Selwood, Judd or Bontempelli have so early.
Furthermore at pick 12 you do not expect a superstar like those guys. They are rare exceptions and more likely to be found it top 2 or 3 picks of draft. You expect a good player at 12. If you end up with a good one after 4 or 5 years with a pick 12 it is a win. We are not there yet.

I call it how I see it. Time will tell..

 

[HumanMeatball]

Not as many as Richmond though.
The funny thing is that Hardwick still doesn't understand that they need a full on rebuild. He is still bringing in middle aged guys instead of going for youth. It is absolutely hilarious what is going on down there at Tiger land. At the end of 2017 when Hardwick is sacked their list will be in worse shape than St Kilda's was at the end of 2014. If the un-thinkable happens and Hardwick doesn't get sacked then Richmond will spend another 10 years in the bottom half of the ladder. As I said, it is absolutely hilarious and it is a classic case of delusions of grandeur on Hardwick's part.

We literally traded out a gun in deledio for a first rounder so now have 2 next year. We brought in 3 players who are all 24 that isn't mature players. Why would Richmond rebuild when there oldest player is 27 and all there guns are around 26?

 

[harrisendblue]

We literally traded out a gun in deledio for a first rounder so now have 2 next year. We brought in 3 players who are all 24 that isn't mature players. Why would Richmond rebuild when there oldest player is 27 and all there guns are around 26?

well its either going to work or hardwick gets the arse. i was surprised u got rid of lids because if he stayed on top of those that came in he could have been the cream on ur cake now and not be a second first rounder next year. i wonder what the reason for lids being let go really was - cap issues, falling out with dimma?

 

[HumanMeatball]

well its either going to work or hardwick gets the arse. i was surprised u got rid of lids because if he stayed on top of those that came in he could have been the cream on ur cake now and not be a second first rounder next year. i wonder what the reason for lids being let go really was - cap issues, falling out with dimma?

We are prepared for both situations. If hardwick is sacked the new coach has 3 24 year olds to work with and 2 first rounders also. If it goes well next year we also have 2 first rounders to trade or draft.

 

[NeXus Nick]

We literally traded out a gun in deledio for a first rounder so now have 2 next year. We brought in 3 players who are all 24 that isn't mature players. Why would Richmond rebuild when there oldest player is 27 and all there guns are around 26?

This illustrates the hilarity of it all. Nobody at Richmond can see/admit where their list is at. Bringing in Prestia and Caddy (although both good players), exacerbates their problems. If Richmond keep doing this (bringing in mid agers), they will be in the doldrums for another 10 years. As I said earlier, this is the approach I expect from Carlton but even they have seen the light (recently).

 

[harrisendblue]

We are prepared for both situations. If hardwick is sacked the new coach has 3 24 year olds to work with and 2 first rounders also. If it goes well next year we also have 2 first rounders to trade or draft.

time will tell i gues however cotch will be 28, jack 29 and dusty (27) but may or may not stay, rance 28 and if he gets sacked then plenty of players will go with him. just really surprising lids was allowed t leave when he was contracted and, if fit, a genuine difference to your overall chances. its always disappointing to see club legends not retained - he deserved to be a one club player. so whats ur views on lids - would u have kept him?

 

[UpTheTigs]

Haven't read anything in this forum but, I just can't believe the irony in a Carlton supporter talking about poor drafting. Astounding really.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Woo pointless revisionism

What factors do we associate with these busts? would players have had decent careers at other clubs? Do we blame coaching, the enviroment? Injuries (You've listed guys like Gourdis who got over-looked in two drafts and richmond took a punt because he was an amazing athlete with a PSD pick and thats a loss?)

 

[harrisendblue]

Haven't read anything in this forum but, I just can't believe the irony in a Carlton supporter talking about poor drafting. Astounding really.

yes we are no winners either and which is why we have won so few finals in the last 5 years.
oh that's right tiggies haven't even won a final in a very long time or made a gf for so many years - now thats what i call outstanding.

 

[Sinjin Smith]

yes we are no winners either and which is why we have won so few finals in the last 5 years.
oh that's right tiggies haven't even won a final in a very long time or made a gf for so many years - now thats what i call outstanding.

I dreaded that this thread was started by a Carlton supporter and granted it wasn't you however keep the jibes away. As Carlton fans we have no right to go after any club over poor drafting and development.

 

[TheAnt]

An analysis on Richmond's poor drafting, jeez that's new

 

[TwentyNine]

Bit like when minnow clubs need to change their logos to try and stay relevant.

"You changed your logo lately" - quality comeback mate, I'm speechless.

You're taking the piss right?

No, Robin Nahas getting Troy Chaplin holding the ball, now that's taking the piss.

 

[Hans McGregor]

"You changed your logo lately" - quality comeback mate, I'm speechless.



No, Robin Nahas getting Troy Chaplin holding the ball, now that's taking the piss.

How about your run home to finals after the song and dance we all had to endure for the first half of the season? Seemed like the club ran out of viagra for all the geriatrics on your list and they lost their mojo.

 

[TedDougChris]

Not as many as Richmond though.

Should check out of first round drafting from 2000 onwards.... Reads like a horror story.

McMahon, Power, Walsh, Cooney, Ray, Griffen, Williams, Higgins, Everitt, Grant, Cordy, Howard.....

2 guns, one who lost it due to injury, one turned tail and ran.
2 players who struggled with injury while at the Dogs (Williams and Higgins)
3 serviceable players but distinctly average (McMahon, Power, Ray)
Balance of spuds (Everitt, Grant, Cordy, Howard, Walsh)

Doesn't make for pleasant viewing....

 

[Since 2001]

Gonna go over your own team's drafting or?

carlton dont draft....just trade gws rejects ahahahaha

 

[footyfan1978]

I call it how I see it. Time will tell..

So you are predicting he won't make it. Predicting something is very different to judging draft picks done by clubs and giving an analysis of it. Just do not confuse predictions as being legitimate analysis. I think that is where you got sloppy in original post.

 

[SumTingWong]

Your "user name" perfectly encapsulates Tigers List Management!!

Now that is funny!

carlton flogs - rfc is shit
carlton flogs - yay

once again mods doing a f****** up job.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Richmond the gift that never stops giving for all opposition supporters

no doubt will spud up their picks again this year

keep up the good work benny gale, dimma, penny, blair Hartley and co