Richmond to take Cousins

[meltiger]

That's just them making up a story from the bits we all know.

What i want to know is whether Jonathan Hay or Nathan Thompson's depression would have come under this rule to grab an extra pick.

How about anything else non footy related ?

Once you tell the world your rules are meaningless then u may as well scrap them.

Excellent comparison.


Not so much Thommo, but certainly Hay - We all remember the state he was in and what the medication was doing to him. Why couldn't his club have placed him on the rookie list outside standard rules until such a time as he was able to get himself in a physical state to play footy again?

Re: The Sampi comparison. Remember, we aren't talking about the LTI here. The LTI is where Timmy, mKiss etc are saying we should place Graham.

 

[_RT_]

So if a player goes surfing, blows his knee out and misses the season, he should also be given special consideration?

A knee injury is unlikely to end a players career, being hit by a tram almost certainly has.

 

[_RT_]

Excellent comparison.


Not so much Thommo, but certainly Hay - We all remember the state he was in and what the medication was doing to him. Why couldn't his club have placed him on the rookie list outside standard rules until such a time as he was able to get himself in a physical state to play footy again?

Something we'll never know because his club never thought to ask.

Thats the point that many posters seem to be missing, all Richmond are doing is asking the AFL for permission to do something that has never really been asked before.

 

[scottwade]

A knee injury is unlikely to end a players career, being hit by a tram almost certainly has.

For the purpose of being fit to play AFL football they are actually both the same.

AFL primary/long term injury lists reflect the ability of a person to play AFL football.
The surfer guy & Polak are both incapable of playing AFL football in the foreseeable future.
Both should be placed on the long term injury list.

The fact that Polak's injury may be more severe and may affect his life after football is, as harsh as it may sound, irrelevant to his place on an AFL list.

 

[Hodgies Heroes]

A knee injury is unlikely to end a players career, being hit by a tram almost certainly has.

If being hit by a tram means he can't play then delist him... then you can have another player. Not before. It is so simple just follow the rules.
Every single year players get injuries that end their career or make them miss a season. Why should Polak be different to every other player who gets injured in the AFL???

Tigers just want to cheat the system for their own benefit and hide behind an arguement that tries to make them look like saints.

 

[Hodgies Heroes]

Because an injury on the field is a risk you take when you play the game.

And an injury off field is a risk you take in life... stupid arguement that makes no sense whatsoever.
The far more logical arguement would be that a player injured in the game would receive special treatment before someone who was injured through their own fault.

 

[Rooface]

Something we'll never know because his club never thought to ask.

Thats the point that many posters seem to be missing, all Richmond are doing is asking the AFL for permission to do something that has never really been asked before.

With a touch of manipulation? ie- Do this and we will take Cousins?

If the AFL say no will Cousins still be pursued?

Either way, good on Richmond for trying. Hope it happens.

 

[SM]

So you're saying a guy like McCartney, harmed in the Bali Bombings, shouldn't have been given the same chance if requested as Rama? After all, he took the 'risk' of a terrorist attack by going to Bali.

Rama shouldn't have been given special consideration because he took the 'risk' of getting cancer by continuing to live...

Polak shouldn't be given special consideration because he took the 'risk' of walking across a road he thought was clear.

 

[BIGBEZ]

so where do you draw the line? a player could break his ankle dancing in a nightclub, rock up to training and the club would just say it happened in a training drill, long term list, i dont think it should matter where or how the injury happened, if you cant play long term, youre on that list!

 

[Bollox]

In all seriousness ...why wouldnt the AFL just instantly say no ?

Where's the benefit in saying yes ?

Accidents and unforseen circumstances have always been common to all clubs...why the hell does anyone need to legislate or alter rules ?

The other problem with allowing the bending or breaking of rules is that those rules actually go straight to the opposite end of the spectrum...and become an opportunity rather than a restriction.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

I find it ironic that the guy (idiot) who has planted the idea into Wallace's thick cranium that Richmond select Cousins, is the very same person who was so against drugs he had the drug squad investigate the Hawthorn Football Club on the eve of the 1984 2nd Semi Final because a couple of players were seen sniffing a concoction of eucalyptus and smelling salts to clear their heads after heavy collisions. Sheedy always will be a moron in my book, I don't care who thinks otherwise, and Richmond should tread very carefully when considering his advice.

 

[essendon2008]

I find it ironic that the guy (idiot) who has planted the idea into Wallace's thick cranium that Richmond select Cousins, is the very same person who was so against drugs he had the drug squad investigate the Hawthorn Football Club on the eve of the 1984 2nd Semi Final because a couple of players were seen sniffing a concoction of eucalyptus and smelling salts to clear their heads after heavy collisions. Sheedy always will be a moron in my book, I don't care who thinks otherwise, and Richmond should tread very carefully when considering his advice.

How do you know Sheedy is the one behind this?
You ever thought Sheedy might be trying to give a bloke a second chance? Sounds like a nice guy if you ask me.

 

[THE_GUN]

most clubs will agree to richmonds request.

afl Will give richmond permission to move polak onto the rookie list.

richmond will take ben cousins with psd pick 7

ben cousins was penalised for admitting he took drugs.(even though he never tested positive to the tests )
yet there are 6 players STILL playing in the afl even though they have been found out.

how does this make sense

why was there 1 rule for ben and another to the other players who tested positive. is being truthfull not the correct thing to do ?

the reason i have mentioned this is will cousins have a case if he took the matter further ?

are the afl prepared to risk the consequences of legal action ?

the afl seem to be very accomadating these days to cousins, are they just a little bit worried if he doesnt get drafted ?


WELCOME TO TIGERLAND BE & YOU CAN HAVE NEWMANS NUMBER 1 FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS

 

[Eagle87]

most clubs will agree to richmonds request.

afl Will give richmond permission to move polak onto the rookie list.

richmond will take ben cousins with psd pick 7

ben cousins was penalised for admitting he took drugs.(even though he never tested positive to the tests )
yet there are 6 players STILL playing in the afl even though they have been found out.

how does this make sense

why was there 1 rule for ben and another to the other players who tested positive. is being truthfull not the correct thing to do ?

the reason i have mentioned this is will cousins have a case if he took the matter further ?

are the afl prepared to risk the consequences of legal action ?

the afl seem to be very accomadating these days to cousins, are they just a little bit worried if he doesnt get drafted ?


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I for one wish Ben well assuming this does happen.

If he has and continues to overcome his demons, Richmond will be getting the best player to play at their club for probably 20 years and one of the best 5 players of the last 10 years in the AFL.

With a young talented midfield he could be just the right person to show them what is required to become elite.

And again, assuming it happens, congrats to Richmond on showing some initiative and some balls more than can be said for Eddiewood.

 

[Rooface]

I for one wish Ben well assuming this does happen.

If he has and continues to overcome his demons, Richmond will be getting the best player to play at their club for probably 20 years and one of the best 5 players of the last 10 years in the AFL.

With a young talented midfield he could be just the right person to show them what is required to become elite.

And again, assuming it happens, congrats to Richmond on showing some initiative and some balls more than can be said for Eddiewood.

Same with my teams cahoonies. Or lack thereof.

 

[Pedro59]

That's a good point you make. He has pushed himself to maintain his fitness, and I reckon he might suffer next year because of it. Akermanis had this problem in 2007 when he returned to pre-season training extremely early, and has a stinker of a season. In 2008, he returned to pre-season training at a normal time, and had a much better season because of it.

Cousins has been pushing himself a bit too hard, and I reckon it will result in him being pretty cut down by injuries next season.

Over training as one gets older depletes ones protein reserves

first sign of protein depletion is tissue(skin,tendons,ligaments etc) destruction(catabolic versus anobolic)

this is why athletes like thorpy and marathon runners etc satart breaking down later in their careers

less age related and more related to a long term culmanitive protein deprivation

you need a gram of protein per kilo of body weight for a SEDENTARY life style and when you work out a lot that can go up to 5 grams of protein per kilo of body weight

the problem is that even steak only contains one third protein by weight so...if you do the maths...an 80 kilo player needs some where around 1.2 kilos of steak a day to just maintain the status quo

..now with high carb cereals etc and other poorer choices of protein it is easy to age prematurely

this also why many vegans who don't protein combine properly age prematurely

protein shakes are a good catch up

 

[BIGBEZ]

Same with my teams cahoonies. Or lack thereof.

If he suceeds, whatever club gets him will be applauded, and even if Cuz did happen to fail, the club that gave him a chance would always be remembered as the team that at least gave him a crack, I dont know what the risk is? sponsers? pfft, one sponsers loss is anothers gain!

 

[_RT_]

For the purpose of being fit to play AFL football they are actually both the same.

AFL primary/long term injury lists reflect the ability of a person to play AFL football.
The surfer guy & Polak are both incapable of playing AFL football in the foreseeable future.
Both should be placed on the long term injury list.

The fact that Polak's injury may be more severe and may affect his life after football is, as harsh as it may sound, irrelevant to his place on an AFL list.

The difference between Polak and a player who blows out their knee while surfing is that no-one can give a absolute diagnosis regarding Polak and say with any surety when he may be able to return. With the knee injury you can diagnose the injury, repair the injury and tell the player that he will be back in 8-12 months time and be fairly certain about it.

If being hit by a tram means he can't play then delist him... then you can have another player. Not before. It is so simple just follow the rules.
Every single year players get injuries that end their career or make them miss a season. Why should Polak be different to every other player who gets injured in the AFL???

Tigers just want to cheat the system for their own benefit and hide behind an arguement that tries to make them look like saints.

Please tell me the last player that had their career ended after being hit by a tram and you have your reason why Polak shouldn't be given special treatment.

And an injury off field is a risk you take in life... stupid arguement that makes no sense whatsoever.
The far more logical arguement would be that a player injured in the game would receive special treatment before someone who was injured through their own fault.

Being injured on the field is something that happens on a weekly basis. Being hit by a tram is not something that happens every day to an AFL player.

So you're saying a guy like McCartney, harmed in the Bali Bombings, shouldn't have been given the same chance if requested as Rama? After all, he took the 'risk' of a terrorist attack by going to Bali.

Rama shouldn't have been given special consideration because he took the 'risk' of getting cancer by continuing to live...

Polak shouldn't be given special consideration because he took the 'risk' of walking across a road he thought was clear.

McCartney should have been given the same treatment as Rama while he recovered, wouldn't have had an issue with that because it was an injury that occured away from football and was beyond his control. Rama was only given special treatment after the cancer returned, when first diagnosed he was retained on the Bombers list and was replaced by a rookie IIRC. Polak was retained on our list and has apparently suffered a setback in his recovery from the initial injury. Therefore the club has every right to ask the AFL for special consideration in his case.

If the AFL rejects the claim then its not like Richmond are going to simply kick him out. Polak will stay on the senior list and if the club has a viable replacement will be moved to the LTI for a year.

The problem with that though is we are then forced to replace a senior member of our list who is a 100+ game player with a kid fresh out of the U/18's. Why should the club be disadvantaged because of an accident that was not the result of playing a game of footy?

If Polak was to have suffered the same injury while playing a game then I would agree with those who say he should be placed on the LTI because the way I look at it, the LTI is for players who have an injury from football that will keep them out of the game for at least 8 weeks but there is a strong possibility that the player will return to playing football. In Polaks case that is unlikely to happen.

 

[Chillidog]

I find it ironic that the guy (idiot) who has planted the idea into Wallace's thick cranium that Richmond select Cousins, is the very same person who was so against drugs he had the drug squad investigate the Hawthorn Football Club on the eve of the 1984 2nd Semi Final because a couple of players were seen sniffing a concoction of eucalyptus and smelling salts to clear their heads after heavy collisions. Sheedy always will be a moron in my book, I don't care who thinks otherwise, and Richmond should tread very carefully when considering his advice.

Wow..I did not know the drug squad have been investigating Hawthorn for that long. Have they found anything?

 

[STC]

So you're saying a guy like McCartney, harmed in the Bali Bombings, shouldn't have been given the same chance if requested as Rama? After all, he took the 'risk' of a terrorist attack by going to Bali.

Rama shouldn't have been given special consideration because he took the 'risk' of getting cancer by continuing to live...

Polak shouldn't be given special consideration because he took the 'risk' of walking across a road he thought was clear.

That's the dumbest analogy I have ever read in my life, seriously. Running across the road has absolutely nothing to do with being caught in the middle of a terrorist attack.

Why does Polak deserve more compassion than Egan? Egan didn't break his foot trying to run across the road, he did it falling awkwardly. If Polak gets it, then Egan should as well. That's the only point I'll make here.

 

[santa claws]

Strong likelihood that the player they want is Klemke, seeing as he is training with them. And complicated by the fact that - if Klemke agrees - the Swans can prelist him as a rookie unless the Tigers take him in the PSD.

believe me when i say your welcome to him. i dont think any club will pick up klemke shocking kicks of the footy just dont get drafted.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

It seems so many people in this thread have actually missed what is going on. The simple facts are Richmond have a player in Polak who suffered a serious brain injury back in July. In the four and a half months since he has made a fairly remarkable recovery, so much so that he has been back training with his teammates yet is not allowed to partake in any competitive drills, gets tired fairly easily and also suffers from dizzy spells if he pushes himself too hard. In the last week reports have surfaced that he suffers from a loss of peripheral vision which has all but confirmed that his career is over..

You are just making stuff up as to the chronology of events here. Nowhere is there a reference to his condition suddenly worseneing over the past few weeks.

 

[UpTheGuts]

Egan didn't break his foot trying to run across the road, he did it falling awkwardly. If Polak gets it, then Egan should as well. That's the only point I'll make here.

Thank heavens for that...

 

[UpTheGuts]

The vast majority of fans want Cousins back in footy.

The vast majority have compassion for Polak.

The vast majority wouldn't know Dave Gourdis or Kade Klemke if they fell over them.

Timing is irrelevant, let it happen and feel the love.

Jealous? You had your chance....

 

[UpTheGuts]

Cousins to Richmond now into $1.40.....

Bookies rarely lose.

Number 32 for our Benny I reckon. Will be handy off the bench and as a depth player in case a star like Tuck gets injured.