List Mgmt. Rioli to Port Discussion

[HoneyBadger35]

Forgive the intrusion everyone, I come in peace.

 

[Free Agent]

Like a lot on here, you're giving Rioli an "out".

He's not a 19 year old kid in the first year of his contract.
He's chasing the dollars.
Whether you agree with that or nor, let's not pretend he doesn't know what he's doing.

It's not an out. It's looking into what's best for us as a club. Letting him go for nothing is worst case scenario. Let's not pretend like we know Rioli personally as no one does. From what I've seen of him in the media though his not good with wording and never has been so I take what he said to the media with a gran of salt. If it's a case of Rioli considering staying now because no deal is met with Port then I don't feel Eagles need to be getting all uptight about it.
If he wants to stay it's simple. He stays.

 

[Tugga27]

It's not an out. It's looking into what's best for us as a club. Letting him go for nothing is worst case scenario. Let's not pretend like we know Rioli personally as no one does. From what I've seen of him in the media though his not good with wording and never has been so I take what he said to the media with a gran of salt. If it's a case of Rioli considering staying now because no deal is met with Port then I don't feel Eagles need to be getting all uptight about it.
If he wants to stay it's simple. He stays.

It doesn't bother me if he goes or stays TBH.
But people saying he "doesn't know what he's doing or didn't have a say in things" are being naive IMO.

 

[The wily weagle]

Can anyone specify what "conditions" we have put, or are looking to put, in Riolis contract?

 

[shooshka]

It doesn't bother me if he goes or stays TBH.
But people saying he "doesn't know what he's doing or didn't have a say in things" are being naive IMO.

Yes he knows what he is doing, and of course he has a say in the final decision.

But he is clearly easily influenced, and not particularly media savvy (I would guess he has no interest in dealing with the media at all, but feels obliged when a mic is shoved in his face).

Looking at the market for his services isn't being disloyal, he can be a loyal person AND want to get the best deal for his final contract.

It sounds like leaving is going to be best for him, if that occurs I'd expect he and his manager push for a fair deal to be done, relatively quickly.

If he stays, an our offer remains similar (maybe 3 years rather than 2, but still conditions in place) then great, the club and players will embrace him.

Only any PSD threat us screwing the club, and that seems very unlikely. I think if he leaves a fair ish deal will get done

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[Goroyals22]

Rioli is a bit different though. Not good in the media and at the airport where they shoved a mic in front of him he probally felt like he had to say something when out on the spot. I don't think Rioli had much of a say on it. Most likely it would be his manager going something like "Hey Port are interested in you, they will offer you a lot of money on a long term deal" In that case he probally did warm to the idea and who could blame him. Port though are a rabble and an offer to Rioli can change quick if Kozi Pickett became gettable.

Doubt Rioli would of initiated contact with Port that's why his coming out saying his torn. I think once the contract is done Rioli would be 100% on board staying. Eagles don't just leave our best players out to the wolves unless we have too where Rioli gives us no choice and demands to leave. See what happens I guess now. We not getting anyone better in the PSD. Might aswell keep him if we can and no deal is met.

He has said he and his father were on about moving halfway through the year before his death.. he is a long way down the path having done a medical and met with anyone and didn’t even tell the eagles he was doing it …

The guy is toxic and needs to be cut loose even for nothing… heck for two years he was lost for nothing anyway so it doesn’t matter.

 

[Tugga27]

Yes he knows what he is doing, and of course he has a say in the final decision.

But he is clearly easily influenced, and not particularly media savvy (I would guess he has no interest in dealing with the media at all, but feels obliged when a mic is shoved in his face).

Looking at the market for his services isn't being disloyal, he can be a loyal person AND want to get the best deal for his final contract.

It sounds like leaving is going to be best for him, if that occurs I'd expect he and his manager push for a fair deal to be done, relatively quickly.

If he stays, an our offer remains similar (maybe 3 years rather than 2, but still conditions in place) then great, the club and players will embrace him.

Only any PSD threat us screwing the club, and that seems very unlikely. I think if he leaves a fair ish deal will get done

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If we get a second rounder, that's fair IMO.

If we can't get a seconder rounder and Port offer us a 3rd, which we more than likely won't use,
let him go to the PSD.

 

[Bender_]

Can anyone specify what "conditions" we have put, or are looking to put, in Riolis contract?

I assume "don't do drugs" would be top of the list.

 

[Bender_]

If Port pull their offer I'd be happy for the Eagles to revert back to their initial 2 years and keep him. He's a big part of the very little x-factor and I'm not entirely on board the whole "he won't be part of our next premiership" thought train and would still like to watch him in our colours.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I think with all the players Port are possibly going to be chasing a decent pick seems out of the realms of possibility as a return. Regardless if there's genuine interest from Norf, it all depends on how much Port are prepared to lose him.
If they're offering a 4 year contract it would seem like they wouldn't want to, unless they end up changing their mind and renege on their offer to Rioli.
I don't subscribe to the idea of the bridges being burnt far enough for us to be prepared to lose a player for nothing.
Nesbitt certainly does and did the same for Brander although they are completely different players, so it's a possibility he will walk him to the draft.
This was all after Brander could've been the player that could've made the TK trade a lot more cheaper for us, but trading him was out of the question for the club.
Just wait until all the salt from the club and the Eagles supporters if we get nothing back for him and he ends up keeping his nose clean and rips it up for Port in the next few years.
There was already a lot of that after Brander kicked a bag during preseason for GWS.
He ended up back on the wing and in and out of the side, but it would be wishful thinking if anyone are hoping that Rioli's career crashes and burns.
Then added onto that, imagine if Rioli's son ends up being a star and we miss out on first dibs on him as a father son for nothing.

 

[KERRPOW]

I assume "don't do drugs" would be top of the list.

Thou shall not be a drug mule

 

[Truly Lazuli]

If Port pull their offer I'd be happy for the Eagles to revert back to their initial 2 years and keep him. He's a big part of the very little x-factor and I'm not entirely on board the whole "he won't be part of our next premiership" thought train and would still like to watch him in our colours.

Need moments of joy and wonder while watching your team compete for the bottom 4. Rioli provides that. Very happy for him to stay

 

[Goroyals22]

I think with all the players Port are possibly going to be chasing a decent pick seems out of the realms of possibility as a return. Regardless if there's genuine interest from Norf, it all depends on how much Port are prepared to lose him.
If they're offering a 4 year contract it would seem like they wouldn't want to, unless they end up changing their mind and renege on their offer to Rioli.
I don't subscribe to the idea of the bridges being burnt far enough for us to be prepared to lose a player for nothing.
Nesbitt certainly does and did the same for Brander although they are completely different players, so it's a possibility he will walk him to the draft.
This was all after Brander could've been the player that could've made the TK trade a lot more cheaper for us, but trading him was out of the question for the club.
Just wait until all the salt from the club and the Eagles supporters if we get nothing back for him and he ends up keeping his nose clean and rips it up for Port in the next few years.
There was already a lot of that after Brander kicked a bag during preseason for GWS.
He ended up back on the wing and in and out of the side, but it would be wishful thinking if anyone are hoping that Rioli's career crashes and burns.
Then added onto that, imagine if Rioli's son ends up being a star and we miss out on first dibs on him as a father son for nothing.

Yep, we are all really upset about how well brander did in that pre season game in the 6th quarter when all the stars were rested…

 

[kranky al]

Can anyone specify what "conditions" we have put, or are looking to put, in Riolis contract?

No putting da gatorade in piss tests gwarn ting

No smoke da ganga mon

No carrying the ganja on fly fly ting

Please believe dat dese tings be best when de footy be gone gone from you mon.

Booyaka

 

[WCErevival]

No more Bob Marley t shirts.

 

[Tyberious Funk]

Does Rioli really "owe" West Coast anything? Yep, they supported him during his (self-inflicted) ordeal... but let's be honest, that's because they didn't want to delist a talented player and then see him either disappear from the game altogether or nominate for the PSD and get picked up by another club for peanuts.

I have no doubt that the concern for Rioli's welfare from Simpson and the playing group was absolutely genuine. But the list-management decision around his position was purely transactional. They made a calculated decision that it was better to keep him on the list and support him, rather than cut him loose.

And from Rioli's perspective? If he has half a brain (and I'm not sure he does), he knows that his post-football earning capacity is negligible... the next contract he signs is it. He needs to make as much as he can, because at 28, a 3-4 year contract is the last time he'll earn serious money. A four year contract with Port, with no strings attached, pretty much sets him up for a long time. A 3 year contract with West Coast, with stipulations, means he could make another stupid mistake and be delisted, and basically earning next to nothing.

If his manager wasn't advising him to take the Port deal, he wouldn't be doing his job properly.

I have no issue with him leaving. The only question is compensation.

 

[Rowan18]

I think with all the players Port are possibly going to be chasing a decent pick seems out of the realms of possibility as a return. Regardless if there's genuine interest from Norf, it all depends on how much Port are prepared to lose him.
If they're offering a 4 year contract it would seem like they wouldn't want to, unless they end up changing their mind and renege on their offer to Rioli.
I don't subscribe to the idea of the bridges being burnt far enough for us to be prepared to lose a player for nothing.
Nesbitt certainly does and did the same for Brander although they are completely different players, so it's a possibility he will walk him to the draft.
This was all after Brander could've been the player that could've made the TK trade a lot more cheaper for us, but trading him was out of the question for the club.
Just wait until all the salt from the club and the Eagles supporters if we get nothing back for him and he ends up keeping his nose clean and rips it up for Port in the next few years.
There was already a lot of that after Brander kicked a bag during preseason for GWS.
He ended up back on the wing and in and out of the side, but it would be wishful thinking if anyone are hoping that Rioli's career crashes and burns.
Then added onto that, imagine if Rioli's son ends up being a star and we miss out on first dibs on him as a father son for nothing.

Brander was completely different. No club wanted to trade for him so we deslisted him because he refused to stay with us. Rioli has at least 3 or 4 clubs who would have him for the right terms and would probably stay with us if our offer was best.

 

[Farang83150]

I think with all the players Port are possibly going to be chasing a decent pick seems out of the realms of possibility as a return. Regardless if there's genuine interest from Norf, it all depends on how much Port are prepared to lose him.
If they're offering a 4 year contract it would seem like they wouldn't want to, unless they end up changing their mind and renege on their offer to Rioli.
I don't subscribe to the idea of the bridges being burnt far enough for us to be prepared to lose a player for nothing.
Nesbitt certainly does and did the same for Brander although they are completely different players, so it's a possibility he will walk him to the draft.
This was all after Brander could've been the player that could've made the TK trade a lot more cheaper for us, but trading him was out of the question for the club.
Just wait until all the salt from the club and the Eagles supporters if we get nothing back for him and he ends up keeping his nose clean and rips it up for Port in the next few years.
There was already a lot of that after Brander kicked a bag during preseason for GWS.
He ended up back on the wing and in and out of the side, but it would be wishful thinking if anyone are hoping that Rioli's career crashes and burns.
Then added onto that, imagine if Rioli's son ends up being a star and we miss out on first dibs on him as a father son for nothing.

I didn't know anything about brander and a bag until now...Jnr and a bag on the other hand!!

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Can anyone specify what "conditions" we have put, or are looking to put, in Riolis contract?

I imagine it's behavioural based performance clauses

• regular drug testing
• playing certain no. Of games
• keeping fit

Etc

If he meets those it triggers further $/additional year

 

[Keys]

I imagine it's behavioural based performance clauses

• regular drug testing
• playing certain no. Of games
• keeping fit

Etc

If he meets those it triggers further $/additional year

To the best of my knowledge clubs aren’t allowed to conduct their own drug testing on players.

 

[ziad]

I assume "don't do drugs" would be top of the list.

A tad restrictive??

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Brander was completely different. No club wanted to trade for him so we deslisted him because he refused to stay with us. Rioli has at least 3 or 4 clubs who would have him for the right terms and would probably stay with us if our offer was best.

Well some people are suggesting if we don't get a good offer for him we should just delist him and let Norf get him for free.

 

[Farang83150]

I assume "don't do drugs" would be top of the list.

I can see Hinkleys face now after reading your post...."sh!t why didn't we think of that kotchie"

 

[KERRPOW]

If Port pull their offer I'd be happy for the Eagles to revert back to their initial 2 years and keep him. He's a big part of the very little x-factor and I'm not entirely on board the whole "he won't be part of our next premiership" thought train and would still like to watch him in our colours.

Norf and possibly the tiggas may be interested in rioli so im sure he will just look elsewhere.

 

[Tugga27]

Norf and possibly the tiggas may be interested in rioli so im sure he will just look elsewhere.

He obviously wants to go to Port.
Richmond wouldn't be too bad for him but hard to see how he gets there.

Doubt he'd like to end up at Norf.

 

[ziad]

He obviously wants to go to Port.
Richmond wouldn't be too bad for him but hard to see how he gets there.

Doubt he'd like to end up at Norf.

and we are supposed to care?