Rising Star - who's left?

[LondonCalling]

I wonder if Dalziell might be kept in reserve by the powers that be as he will still be eligible to win next season. Half a dozen games probably won't see him winning the thing this year and he should be a safe bet for an early season nomination and serious consideration to win the whole thing next year.

1 - Can be nominated in more than one season.

2 - Certainly won't be eligible next season after it being such a grey area this season.

 

[hoss]

will be a tough call it would be sad to see any of the following players miss out but some will have to

david mackay
lachlan hansen
brad dalziell
alipate carlile
john anthony

Agreed, but Chris Mayne would be unlucky to miss out too. Think you just blew your "Fremantle" cover.

 

[MagooTheRoo]

1 - Can be nominated in more than one season.

2 - Certainly won't be eligible next season after it being such a grey area this season.

In that case he should get the nod this week.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

so... is Dalziell eligible?

 

[Underdog]

What statistic do you suggest I use then?

Carlile pretty much dominates Brown everywhere bar Free Kicks Against.

Is Daniel Cross better then Luke Hodge because he dominates him in most stats?

 

[Smyth94]

Is Daniel Cross better then Luke Hodge because he dominates him in most stats?

Ever heard of apples with apples?

 

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

Can't believe Lonergan doesn't have a nomination. Been consistently good for 17 matches, racks up contested possessions and is as tough as they come.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Ok, so how has Nathan Brown been 'better' than Alipate Carlile.

Never said he was, I just dont like your analytics. Brown has been under more pressure than Carlisle in the one-on ones, so comparing stats between a bottom team and a top eight team is pointless. Port and Collingwood play different styles and have different defensive styles, so opposition teams will attack them differently.

 

[Underdog]

Ever heard of apples with apples?

yet the poster admitted Brown had played other roles Carlile hadn't

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Is Daniel Cross better then Luke Hodge because he dominates him in most stats?

Err, no, they are midfielders which makes it a little more complicated with stats, doesn't it. You need to take into account clearances, efficiency, contested/uncontested etc.

But with KPP's it's a little more clear cut, isn't it.

A full back - we'll you'd expect him to prevent his direct opponent from scoring goals. Provide rebound when possible, but priority 1 is preventing opponent from scoring goals.

 

[Smyth94]

yet the poster admitted Brown had played other roles Carlile hadn't

I was referring to Hodge v Cross

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Never said he was.

So why doesn't Carlile deserve a nom, especially considering Nathan Brown has got one (and as bandied about as one of the top 5 noms this year).

 

[Portia]

He's not eligible, he played 10 games the season prior.

Its 10 games or less.

Brent Guerra is precedent.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

yet the poster admitted Brown had played other roles Carlile hadn't

Yes, which makes Carlile's statistics MORE impressive.

Given Carlile has spent MORE time in defence DEFENDING.

 

[Underdog]

I was referring to Hodge v Cross

I was saying it's no different

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

So why doesn't Carlile deserve a nom, especially considering Nathan Brown has got one (and as bandied about as one of the top 5 noms this year).

Never said he didnt. Except theres only two left and one of them is already earmarked for Dalziell (is he eligible???).

 

[Underdog]

Yes, which makes Carlile's statistics MORE impressive.

Given Carlile has spent MORE time in defence DEFENDING.

So?

Brown's done other work up the ground that provides additional worth.

I'm not saying one is more deserving then the other, but basing it on statistics is crap.

 

[Winner]

Sam Lonergan.

He's been pretty damn consistent.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Sam Lonergan.

He's been pretty damn consistent.

Maybe Bacher Houli can hand his nomination back and give it to Lonergan.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Never said he didnt. Except theres only two left and one of them is already earmarked for Dalziell (is he eligible???).

Dalziel is eligible.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

So?

Brown's done other work up the ground that provides additional worth.

I'm not saying one is more deserving then the other, but basing it on statistics is crap.

Well if it wasn't based on stats, Carlile would've had one a long time ago.

Just a pity he doesn't get 35 bitch kicks a game, or play for Collingwood/Carlton.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

Carlie from Port hasnt been nominated, what a absolute crime if he isnt.

 

[Underdog]

Well if it wasn't based on stats, Carlile would've had one a long time ago.

Just a pity he doesn't get 35 bitch kicks a game, or play for Collingwood/Carlton.

Suck it up and stop whimpering that defenders, particularly dour ones, don't get recognition. It's been that way for years, it's dumb but quite frankly, the game's won in the middle.

 

[tin can sam]

Dalziel is eligible.

Are you sure, I could have sworn he was ineligible.

Pretty sure he's too old... maybe I'll start a thread to find out.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Agree with those who say Carlile. He's been our best defender all year, but when you're team is tanking and the opposition delivery is without pressure, it's hard to be a defender.

He had it in the bag against Carlton when they came back in the last quarter, but Kruezer got it because of the comeback. He held Fev to two goals that day, one of those a cheap and easy goal after the siren.