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Yep thats what we need, mods accusing their own players of shirking. Might as well start calling for our players to break bones and end careers. MEH
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Whoa there big fella.
First up, opinions are fine if they are specific and constructive. Negative opinions are held and can be expressed.
Secondly, let's not tie this to moderatorship and bagging of own players. BD is a special mod on another board, not a Carlton board mod where you might expect us to be more reserved in our criticism.
40yearBLUE
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There is a difference between opinion on who is a better player etc, but accusing one of our own on our own board of about the worst you can accuse a player of ought to be banned.
I have an opinion on mods on this site and it seems our boards mods are following that opinion. Its a negative opinion. Am I not allowed to have it, considering that negative opinions about our players seem well in season. And the opinion I have is that mods are shirkers. Last week proved that to me. (Is that specific and constructive enough?)
Its up to you what sort of board you want.
Christ you having a mid life crisis?
Anyone; including mods, can have an opinion on anything. Saying someone shirks the contest really means not much. It has no effect on the player; they can't read it. It has no effect on team chemistry; we aren't a part of it.
People think we should take it one week at a time and not be negative but at the end of the day we can really say what we want (within the law) on the internet. Get over it.
Anyone; including mods, can have an opinion on anything. Saying someone shirks the contest really means not much. It has no effect on the player; they can't read it. It has no effect on team chemistry; we aren't a part of it.
People think we should take it one week at a time and not be negative but at the end of the day we can really say what we want (within the law) on the internet. Get over it.
Why should you be reserved in your criticism if you're a mod?
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Settle down man if you seriously think there aren't players on our list or any list for that matter that shirk contests then you're deluded.
Russel has definitely shirked contests in the past and so has Gibbs, they're just not the kind of players that will always put their body on the line to win the ball. The truth hurts you too much doesn't it?
As a side note, I think Russell does offer more than Davies when he's at his best, but he has been far from it this year and needs to get back to the sort of form that had him runner up to Juddy in our B&F if he wants to be a part of our finals campaign this year. We could use an experienced head in our backline it's packed full of players who haven't played very many games: Duigan, Laidler, Hendo, Yarran, Touhy, Davies. They're all fairly inexperienced AFL players and when finals comes along hopefully pressure doesn't get to them.
40yearBLUE
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I think its you that is seriously deluded if you think any (yes thats right ANY) AFL player EVER shirks a contest. Lets examine shirk shall we. What you are suggesting is that there are players scared, thats right scared of a contest on a regular basis and they let their fear dictate their commitment. Deciding when to hit a contest and when to hold off is not the same as shirking. For example, Judd got a goal over the back against Essendon last week, did he shirk the contest or use superior judgement?
We are not talking about under 12's we are talking about the best players in the country. And the best coaches. And you think they would tolerate players shirking? Who is deluded?
And to have mods of any description posting they do on any board is a disgrace. To have real mods that dont moderate them is perhaps a bigger one. (Just a negative opinion I hold, dont matter though, its just an opinion, wont affect the mods though according to the logic posted above)
And the spectacle on the Melbourne board last week just beggars belief.
We are not talking about under 12's we are talking about the best players in the country. And the best coaches. And you think they would tolerate players shirking? Who is deluded?
And to have mods of any description posting they do on any board is a disgrace. To have real mods that dont moderate them is perhaps a bigger one. (Just a negative opinion I hold, dont matter though, its just an opinion, wont affect the mods though according to the logic posted above)
And the spectacle on the Melbourne board last week just beggars belief.
Not sure I agree. Davies was lucky in my opinion not to be droppped after his first game back into the team. Also, his form for the Bullants hardly warranted a call up. Although he is physically imposing, his lack of express pace for as medium sized player and vulnerability in the air does not fill me with confidence at this stage of his development.
How he gets a game in front of Bower has me baffled. Not so sure how he would handle playing in September.
As for Jordan, he has been down on form. Not sure aboout your comment regarding him shirking contests. He seems like he lacks confidence hence his ordinary season thus far compared to 2010. The rise of Yarran Tuohy and Duigan has meant Russell will need to re invent himself as a midfielder. I think he is struggling with the transition. I hope he regains his confidence as we could do we his pace in the middle.
PS Don't let 40 year fool stiffle discussion.
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Hey, I and all the mods for that matter, are some of the more positive posters you will find on this board. However, as we cater to all opinions, we can only
40yr, I am happy to take onboard any grievances you have but no, being publicly critical of moderators is not okay. All it does is potentially draw in others to add their criticisms as well, and soon the role of moderator and the integrity of moderators is called into question generally. We really don't need that.
So you have an opinion that mods on BF are shirkers, and you believe that Carlton mods are following that opinion? It is my contention that most posters don't have an appreciation for what goes on behind the scenes, and sometimes believe moderators think a certain way, rather than understand we are bound by what is best for the site. If posters have issues, we encourage them to PM their issues or if the issue is with us, talk to an admin.
Non-specific criticisms of mods don't help, but if you have a specific issue, PM me, and I will endeavour to respond to your satisfaction.
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Ah we are getting somewhere. You want me to moderate a poster because they hold an opinion that Russell shirked some contests. Would that moderation occur because a special mod from another board should post to a higher standard or because no poster should be able to express an opinion that a player shirks a contest?
If the former, then it is not our job to monitor the posting standards of other moderators. If we have a problem we can PM admin and discuss it inhouse however. If the latter, there are plenty of opinions I disagree with and there is a line not to be crossed. Repetitive agendas or ridiculous analogies are out ... i.e my Grandmother is faster that Player X, Under 12s tackle better than Player Y, Player Z is a disgrace to the jumper. Gone Gone Gone.
We do have a spread of posters with differing styles and we do err on the side of positivity as we are a supporter site first and foremost. We have to be careful to allow discussion and not just censor opinion because it is negative. That's not just a discretionary thing by the Carlton mods, it is almost a firm principle from the owners of the site. We moderate the type of negativity, not the fact that there is negativity.
By and large this board is three quarters positive. It is usually the negative posters who arc up about nazi moderation and the death of freedom of speech, then leave, only to return at a later date. Meanwhile positive posters blast us for not being hard enough on the negative posters. I prefer the fence sitters, who recognise we can not be all things to all people and we are damned no matter what we do.
All you have to do is be aware that our moderator actions don't always match our personal preferences, and we constantly discuss where we are at. Sometimes it is the very issue a poster has, that they believe a moderator is ignoring, that we are spitballing over, trying to find a balance between team board needs, BF needs, and being able to justify our decisions to as many posters as possible should we be called on it.
As I said though mate, you have a specific query and want an honest answer regarding anything that occurs around here, PM me and I will respond.
Mods are allowed to state facts aren't they??
Back to the topic of the thread, this week is massive in terms of Carlton taking confidence into the bye, round 24 and the finals.
So far we have been close to other teams in the top 4, but lose on Friday and the media will jump onto Carlton for not beating anybody above them.
That being said, the game is at the Dome where we don't play our best footy, we can't spread and create the run like we do at the G, so the Hawks will play lock down footy.
Our game will rely on getting the ball out of the middle to our forwards quick, we must limit the use of Mitchell who gets the ball to running players, and of course the Buddy and Rioli show.
Will be a big test for our young and inexperienced backline, i think sometimes we overlook how inexperienced our team is in terms of game experience and age, we have achieved so much and will only get better, so lets hope we take the game by the scruff on Friday and make a contest of it and come away with the win.
So far we have been close to other teams in the top 4, but lose on Friday and the media will jump onto Carlton for not beating anybody above them.
That being said, the game is at the Dome where we don't play our best footy, we can't spread and create the run like we do at the G, so the Hawks will play lock down footy.
Our game will rely on getting the ball out of the middle to our forwards quick, we must limit the use of Mitchell who gets the ball to running players, and of course the Buddy and Rioli show.
Will be a big test for our young and inexperienced backline, i think sometimes we overlook how inexperienced our team is in terms of game experience and age, we have achieved so much and will only get better, so lets hope we take the game by the scruff on Friday and make a contest of it and come away with the win.
I agree.
Even if we win our last two games the chances are that we will still finish 5th. So the question is, do we go for broke and rush Jamo into the senior side or do we ease him into it?
If lean towards taking the cautious approach and give him 2 weeks in the 2's. Franking may have a field day as a result though.
You're claiming a footballer never shirks a contest?
Believe it or not, they're people out there and are affected by emotion like the rest of us. A player ducking his head while sitting below a high ball does so in self preservation. An instinctive reaction to the fear of the unknown which might only happen very rarely at the elite level, but still happens.
Is it tolerated? No more than poor disposal is tolerated. Worked on perhaps, but with some it just might not be possible to eradicate it completely. You accept that because the other part of the player's game outweighs the poor.
Just as disposal isn't homogeneous, neither is courage. It's why we appreciate players like Robinson, Duigan and Selwood. They're attack on the footy is unequivocal and above that of the majority of footballers.
Of course, simply playing AFL football requires a certain level of courage and the very vast majority of players would be more courageous than your average local footballer. However, there's obviously relative degrees of commitment to a contest and ultimately it becomes an argument of semantics.
If Jamo's right to go, he's right to go. Whether he plays senior footy or not depends how fit he is. Probably gonna struggle to run out the game either way but he'll stabilise our defence regardless.
Dirk.
I agree, in some respects - so much so that I had thought mid year that Davies may have been one of the guys to cop the cull at the end of the year.
But his physicality in the back half gives us something a little bit different. His first game back may not have been great but he has made it very hard for his opponents since. His game against Brad Green is a prime example of that.
I rate Jordan and will generally back him to the hilt but there were a few times pre injury where I questioned his commitment to go in hard at the contest and fully commit to the hard ball in some cases. I'm not sure if that was a result of lack of form, and in turn lack of confidence. But in some ways I think Davies brings a bit of mongrel to the table that our backline has been known to lack at times in the past.
FYI, I am Bower's biggest fan (my favourite player at the club) and think he should be in our 22. But it seems he's lost his spot at the moment and is probably going to need a big pre season to earn it back.
I feel that JR will need to work his way into the middle and become a full time midfielder.
He has the attributes but does he have the smarts?
Our backline is pretty set for mediums and with Tuohy improving all the time, we just don't need JR down there.
What we do need is another quick mid with good skills. JR has these attributes and can also provide another hard body in the rotations.
What position has he been playing in the VFL?
He has the attributes but does he have the smarts?
Our backline is pretty set for mediums and with Tuohy improving all the time, we just don't need JR down there.
What we do need is another quick mid with good skills. JR has these attributes and can also provide another hard body in the rotations.
What position has he been playing in the VFL?
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I must be watching a different player.
Marcus isn't as fast Yarran and Russell, but he's quicker than Duigan and Laidler.
Davies was good in the air in the televised game that he played the week before his call up.
N Bullants 15.8.98 Def Sandy 2.7.19
Northern Bullants
Goal Kickers: T. Thomas 4, R. Kerr 3, M. CARTER 2, B. McLean , Z. Tuohy , W. TWOMEY , L. Casboult A. Saad, R Gale
Best Players: N. Meese, A. Iacobucci, M. Davies, J. Dare, J. Cachia, W. TWOMEY
Davies played in last year's final, so he'd know what to expect.
Bower isn't defending well enough to get a game at the moment.
No passengers.
B: Duigan-------Thornton-------Laidler
H: Russell-------O'hailpin-------Yarran
C: Scotland------Gibbs--------Robinson
H: Walker------Henderson-----Simpson
F: Garlett-------Kreuzer--------Betts
RR: Warnock, Judd, Murphy
Bench: Bower, Carrazzo, Armfield, Sub: Ellard
H: Russell-------O'hailpin-------Yarran
C: Scotland------Gibbs--------Robinson
H: Walker------Henderson-----Simpson
F: Garlett-------Kreuzer--------Betts
RR: Warnock, Judd, Murphy
Bench: Bower, Carrazzo, Armfield, Sub: Ellard
sweeping generalization. avoids possibly necessary contact? i would have thought that was a realatively commonly held meaning.
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already expecting us to finish 5th, so even if we lose i won't be too disappointed from a ladder perspective. but i'm looking forward to see how we stack up against the hawks, whether we match and do better or fail and suck. rest of competition supporters brownie points at stake vsing a top 4 side. are worthy of some of the derision we get if we aren't competitive.
have the luxury of having a couple of players that could go to rioli, joseph + armfield. will be interested to see how armfield's opponent goes whoever that is anyway.
no roughead makes it a bit easier on us too.
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Hawthorn's position on the ladder isn't a true reflection of where they are at as a side.
They have had an easier run than we have this season, playing lesser teams more often. Their supporter base is deluded in thinking that their "wide-spread injury list" is the sole reason as to why they aren't heading the table.
If you want some serious LOL's - head over to the Hawthorn board, they think that they are coming up against the same Carlton side that they have bullied over the past 3-4 years. They don't realise that we are up their in the top few when it comes to contested possession and midfield clearance numbers this year.
We may or may not win this clash (Hawthorn supporters would be suprised to hear that we have injury concerns of our own), but I would like nothing more than to smash the Tasmanian Hawks and let them know, that the Carlton side that they are facing is of a different breed to that of years prior.
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They have had an easier run than we have this season, playing lesser teams more often. Their supporter base is deluded in thinking that their "wide-spread injury list" is the sole reason as to why they aren't heading the table.
If you want some serious LOL's - head over to the Hawthorn board, they think that they are coming up against the same Carlton side that they have bullied over the past 3-4 years. They don't realise that we are up their in the top few when it comes to contested possession and midfield clearance numbers this year.
We may or may not win this clash (Hawthorn supporters would be suprised to hear that we have injury concerns of our own), but I would like nothing more than to smash the Tasmanian Hawks and let them know, that the Carlton side that they are facing is of a different breed to that of years prior.
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