Rolling All Australian Team 2020

[Sttew]

Why the fu** wasn't [player from my team who had a terrific season] selected? Picking [player from a team I don't watch] ahead of him is a joke!

Should be the title of this thread

 

[HeHateMe]

AA shouldn't be about having a great season or being a great player. It should be about being the best at your position that season. To do that you need to have performed in that position.

But what we currently getting is great players who have had great seasons put into positions because they COULD play there.

 

[Yoda_]

A best 22 from the final 18 + 4 very unlucky guys

B. Jonas - Weitering - Grimes

Hb. Vlaustin - May - Maynard

C. McCluggage - Pendlebury - Gaff

Hf. Menegola - Gunston - Butters

F. Butler - Tabberner - Cameron/Papley (couldn't care less as a top up which one you choose)

R. Goldstein - Oliver - Fyfe

I/C: Ridley - Blicavs - Merrett - Papley/Cameron (just select the other one not in the forward pocket in the starting 18)


[edit: I was probably looking for players to fill the last couple of spots on the bench in the end but the team should be close enough to the mark imho]

 

[nineteen eighty]

Caught the backline this afternoon after work. Thought 'good job, good balance between defence and attack'.

Went out then got home and saw the rest. Midfield not bad, Naitanui the best performed ruck, Petracca and Neale had huge years, no issue with Macrae, Boak or Guthrie getting a run.

That forward line, FMD. Dangerfield picked as a forward because he kicked 2 goals in the last quarter of the third last game of the H&A season and then named captain because ??? when even the nuffy Geelong fans are saying Guthrie and Menegola were better this years. Martin, Dangerfield and Bont all picked in the forward line is pretty insulting to the actual forwards. Glad Ryan made it but Butler and Papley stiff and you could've made a case for Gunston, Butters, Taberner.

Credit where it's due that Andrews-Moore-Boak (Naitanui if you count the ruckman not the centreman)-Dixon-Hawkins as the spine is spot on for 2020.

I think along the same lines. I wouldn't have had Danger in the tram this year. I absolutely would have had Martin as a HF and Butler would come in as a FP.

I feel that Vlaustin was up against Haynes for the HBF position. No surprise that Haynes was picked. Again personally I would have picked Vlaustin but I'm sure bias comes into it. Haynes has had a gun year and his numbers stack up very well compared to Vlaus.

I'm an ex ruck and love watching Gawn. However he should NOT be in this year's team.

 

[A Swallow]

Dangerfield being named captain (and in the side at all), Dusty and Bont as small forwards, Gawn making the side and Butler/Menegola missing out is just remarkable. What a farce.

 

[Yoda_]

AA shouldn't be about having a great season or being a great player. It should be about being the best at your position that season. To do that you need to have performed in that position.

But what we currently getting is great players who have had great seasons put into positions because they COULD play there.

Don't worry, imagine looking back in 30 years and going, how bloody good was Dangerfield. x amount of All Australian guernseys.

 

[Seeds]

AA shouldn't be about having a great season or being a great player. It should be about being the best at your position that season. To do that you need to have performed in that position.

But what we currently getting is great players who have had great seasons put into positions because they COULD play there.

Shouldnt it be about what the theortical best team would be based on that years performances?

 

[L_W_P]

AA Selectors painting themselves into a corner with this "Who would you rather have?" style of picking the team.

Of course Danger, Dusty and Bont would be selected to play a real game by just about everyone before Butler, Gunston and Papley. This is going to be true every year though so will these guys just keep collecting jackets until they retire?

Making minimal changes - Drop Gawn and Guthrie. Put in Gunston (a true HFF) and Papley or Butler, whichever floats your boat.

Sheppard - Andrews - Ryan
Haynes - Moore - ByrneJones
Macrae - Boak - Daniel
Dangerfield - Dixon - GUNSTON
Ryan - Hawkins - BUTLER/PAPLEY
Naitanui - Petracca - Neale
Steele - Adams - Bontempelli - Martin

 

[Sttew]

AA shouldn't be about having a great season or being a great player. It should be about being the best at your position that season. To do that you need to have performed in that position.

But what we currently getting is great players who have had great seasons put into positions because they COULD play there.

If it was solely about being best in a position you’d end up with some extremely odd selections. In the modern game where you are selected on paper is largely irrelevant.

I get it that Papley and But,er weren’t selected. Both dropped right off in the latter part of the season

 

[Seeds]

Which is why the AA selectors are crap.

How on Earth did May not even make the squad?

Why are Dusty and Danger even in the side?

This isn't saying they haven't been exceptional players in their career, but even you have got to admit they get rewarded a fair bit just for their status in the game. If this isn't a means for the AFL to support their marketing of the game then I don't know what is.

Danger was geelongs best mid this year. You are letting expectations bias influence you evaluation.

 

[Seeds]

Not necessarily a compelling statistic for a forward selection though.
Unless you think score involvements mean something out of the ordinary.

Why isnt it? Is t the point of fowards to help get goals?

 

[Bollox]

Sometimes criticism of an AA team can look like sour grapes.
This time ALL criticism seems absolutely valid.
Worst i've ever seen by a mile.

From the ridiculous midfield to the woeful forward line and captain tokenism...it has obviously been constructed by the inept.

Time for fresh selectors who take the process seriously.

 

[Seeds]

What is a forward's 2 main roles?

a) Forward Pressure
b) Goals

Both Danger and Martin if they are in the side are mids. They aren't forwards!

Half fowards and mids are the same thing. Plus both have spent a lot of time up foward this year. Danger just won us a top four position playing as a foward.

 

[HeHateMe]

If it was solely about being best in a position you’d end up with some extremely odd selections. In the modern game where you are selected on paper is largely irrelevant.

I get it that Papley and But,er weren’t selected. Both dropped right off in the latter part of the season

Danger is a gun but if he wins the ball in the middle as a mid breaks away and kicks it inside 50 lace out to Hawkins and he slots it. That's 1 i50 and 1GA.

Danger performed as a HF at times as well but it's unfair to compare his stats to those forwards who spend alot more time there and need to do the intangible things like dummy lead into space spread the ground contest 2 on 1 because players have dropped behind the ball.

My issue isn't with Danger selection specifically.

 

[Seeds]

Can someone explain the criteria for picking Captain, because clearly I don't understand. If you want the best player of the year, pick Neale since he's the glaringly obvious choice.

If you want a legitimate captaincy pick, Bont came runner up in the AFLPA Best Captain award, so how on earth is Dangerfield picked here?

Cos if they were to choose a captain of this team to play another team it wouod be danger.

 

[Seeds]

Score involvements:

Dangerfield 99 (4th overall)
Martin 88 (11th)
Bontempelli 87 (13th)

Butler 72 (36th)

Just shows how overrated foward tackles are. Clearly little link between tgem and goals

 

[HeHateMe]

Shouldnt it be about what the theortical best team would be based on that years performances?

It should be about giving players recognition.

Your small forwards deserve recognition.
Your wings deserve recognition.

Well that's how I see it.

 

[Sttew]

Can someone explain the criteria for picking Captain, because clearly I don't understand. If you want the best player of the year, pick Neale since he's the glaringly obvious choice.

If you want a legitimate captaincy pick, Bont came runner up in the AFLPA Best Captain award, so how on earth is Dangerfield picked here?

It’s no different to when Buddy and Rance were selected as captains. It’s an honour bestowed on someone considered worthy, possibly because of sustained excellence over many years. What does it matter? The individual is only captain on paper.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Why are Dusty and Danger even in the side?

This isn't saying they haven't been exceptional players in their career, but even you have got to admit they get rewarded a fair bit just for their status in the game. If this isn't a means for the AFL to support their marketing of the game then I don't know what is.

Not sure Martin's done particularly well as far as AA's go. When he was younger he was frequently compared with Mark Ricciuto; Ricciuto has eight AA's, and Dusty who turns 30 next year now has four. Not saying he should have eight, just that Ricciuto wasn't twice the player Martin is.

I haven't shitcanned any of the selections, they've obviously all had great years, but I raised eyebrows at four or five. Reckon I've got a reasonable idea of what is an AA-standard year without comparing against players from other clubs and I reckon Martin had one, without being at his best every week.

Richmond won 11 from the last 13 at a percentage of 150 and some are effectively saying we had no standout players. It's bad enough that Grimes' and Vlastuin's chances were scuttled by the staging stitch-up despite being cleared at the Tribunal. On last night's coverage, both were mentioned as an afterthought and it was clear they were never going to be picked.

Thought Martin was best suited to one of the interchange spots, but selectors in their wisdom crammed him into a pocket. Butler and Papley both tapered a little; I reckon selectors found them difficult to split and decided it was easier to leave both out than to choose one.

 

[bird_man]

I've got no issue with Bont, Danger and Martin being selected, but they should have just been on the bench.

Seems ridiculous that 3 forwards are selected in an AA team.

You are more than twice as likely to make an AA side if you are a defender and 4 times more likely if you are a midfielder.

 

[HeHateMe]

Just shows how overrated foward tackles are. Clearly little link between tgem and goals

That's unfair, those guys are guns so there teams give them every opportunity to be involved, and because they are guns the turn those Involvements into scores.

Butler doesn't get those opportunities but he is superior then his peers in a role every team needs.

Correct your not going to waste Danger playing Butlers role but these role players deserve recognition as well. And a role bases award is the perfect forum for it.

I'm disappointed for the best Wings, HF, FP players in the comp who miss out again.

 

[Boppo]

Wietering, Papley, Butler, Menegola all hard done by. Plenty of dud games by some of the inclusions here.

 

[HeHateMe]

Guys this isn't about bashing Bont, Danger, Martin, Guthrie and Macrae.

It's about giving the best Wing, FP and HF players recognition for there seasons.

 

[BrutThough]

Half fowards and mids are the same thing. Plus both have spent a lot of time up foward this year. Danger just won us a top four position playing as a foward.

And until he was moved forward in the 2nd half of his last game of the year, he has kicked 8 goals for the season.

How can you claim someone should be an All Australian forward if they barely scraped through a double figure goal tally for the season?

 

[Marc_Remillard]

Well, injured or not, his on field output was minimal through those years.

LOL, and that post pretty much sums you up