Rolling All Australian Team 2020

[Thedeftouch]

Taylor Adams lol

This team looks like it was selected by a 12 year old Dream Team player

 

[Atomboy]

You mean like Jake Carlisle?

Fingers crossed our approach works as well as the Saints and it also only takes 9 years for us to make the top 8 again

Good luck for next year

 

[Back One Out]

It's not picking an AS squad for a world cup, it's picking the best team based solely on their 2020 output.

Either way though I would still much rather the bloke with the better form who is an actual leader and just led his team to the top of the ladder over some bloke being gifted it because he is a household name and looks good on paper

All Australian captaincy has never been "based solely on their season's output". It's not the MVP award. 22 players are selected based on their season's output. From that 22 they pick a captain and vice-captain based on a mixture of seniority & status within the game. It's a "lifetime achievement" award for one of the long-standing champions of the game. Usually given to players they deem as an ornament to the game.

That's why Andy McLeod was awarded the captaincy in 2007, late in his career, despite never becoming the Adelaide captain. McLeod had far better seasons than his late-career exploits at half back. From 2000-2003 he was one of the most dynamic, dominant players in the game. But the AA selectors recognised his amazing career by giving him the AA captaincy in 2007. He wasn't denied the AA captaincy purely because Ricciuto was the Crows skipper. (Same story with Dangerfield at Geelong under Selwood's captaincy)

Dangerfield is vice-captain of Geelong. He is just as much of a leader (on and off the field) as Travis Boak at Port Adelaide and he has had a far better career. FFS, the guy is one of the all-time greats who was selected for a record-equalling 8th time and people are whinging about him being made Australian captain... Jeez... If I was picking a team from scratch and I could name any 22 I wanted, I wouldn't hesitate about having Dangerfield as my captain.

 

[Duskfire]

I too am kind of annoyed at the AFL shoe horning midfielders into the forward line. Danger kicked 11 goals for the year, 3 of them coming in the final game. He should not be in the forward line, he does not spend enough time forward. Everyone knows he is a midfielder. If he can’t get in on the midfield he shouldn’t be picked.

There are only three forwards in the forward line.

 

[Sea fog]

Interesting that Jakovich said that selection is partly based on a body of work. He responded to criticism about May's exclusion by saying that he had a breakout year this year and so will be in the frame next year of course if form continues. He also pointed out that the other defenders stacked up really well against him and remarked that Sheppard had been very consistently and had basically beaten all his opponents of different sizes. He defended the Danger forward decision pointing out that those type of mids do go forward and impact more often than regular forwards like Papley when they get their chance there. Guess that last game did show that while Papley couldn't nail his shots, Danger got the Cats over the line.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

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Exhibit A: Player on left column does make the All Australian Team while the player in the right column does not even make the squad of forty, you may notice no names are mentioned to protect the innocent. Both players play the same position the only difference is one plays for a team that made the finals and the other player plays for a team that did not make finals. I don't barrack for either team so this is not a view influenced by loyalty.

Looking at those stats - one would assume they are defenders.

So it doesn't take into account their actual ability to defend.

Case in point - Daniel and Sheppard aren't exactly fighting for the same point.

If you had a team that had 5 of its back 6 locked - but you needed a creative playmaker off half back - you'd pick Daniel

If you had your creativity and needed someone to shut down an opponent whilst also helping out the others - then you'd pick Sheppard.

So ultimately those two may not be fighting for the same spot

 

[Seeds]

eff me!!

Have you just time travelled from 1989?

 

[Seeds]

Still better than those picked in potential spot on the field - Martin, Bont and Danger, so can feel unlucky as he was in the 40 man squad, same as any other fwd not picked.

No it isnt. Danger had a far better year then papley. If papley got an all australian nomination but danger didnt the. It would make a mockery of all australian.

we couldnt compare players by saying he is a 5 times all australian but the other is only 2. It would be meaningless.

 

[theyellowsash]

Like it too. All NBA have 3 teams.
Have two would be an interesting point. make a 44 man squad each year, then split the two teams.

i wouldnt split it, id have a clear 1st team and clear 2nd team. historically its always been THE best 1 team, and doubling up the teams might sort of cheapen it a bit given twice as many make it.

then again, you can make the argument that we have 50% more teams as well so a larger AA recognition is still in keeping.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Interesting that Jakovich said that selection is partly based on a body of work. He responded to criticism about May's exclusion by saying that he had a breakout year this year and so will be in the frame next year of course if form continues.

So how did Ridley and Taberner make the squad then? They were complete nobodies before this season. These selectors just make it up as they go along.

 

[Jugada]

All Australian captaincy has never been "based solely on their season's output". It's not the MVP award. 22 players are selected based on their season's output. From that 22 they pick a captain and vice-captain based on a mixture of seniority & status within the game. It's a "lifetime achievement" award for one of the long-standing champions of the game. Usually given to players they deem as an ornament to the game.

That's why Andy McLeod was awarded the captaincy in 2007, late in his career, despite never becoming the Adelaide captain. McLeod had far better seasons than his late-career exploits at half back. From 2000-2003 he was one of the most dynamic, dominant players in the game. But the AA selectors recognised his amazing career by giving him the AA captaincy in 2007. He wasn't denied the AA captaincy purely because Ricciuto was the Crows skipper. (Same story with Dangerfield at Geelong under Selwood's captaincy)

Dangerfield is vice-captain of Geelong. He is just as much of a leader (on and off the field) as Travis Boak at Port Adelaide and he has had a far better career. FFS, the guy is one of the all-time greats who was selected for a record-equalling 8th time and people are whinging about him being made Australian captain... Jeez... If I was picking a team from scratch and I could name any 22 I wanted, I wouldn't hesitate about having Dangerfield as my captain.

It's not a lifetime achievement award. It's supposed to be the AA team for 2020. A year where Boak outperformed him as both a player and leader.

I'm well aware it's been a shit show for some time. Doesn't make it any less of a joke this time

 

[Coaster2012]

Interesting that Jakovich said that selection is partly based on a body of work. He responded to criticism about May's exclusion by saying that he had a breakout year this year and so will be in the frame next year of course if form continues. He also pointed out that the other defenders stacked up really well against him and remarked that Sheppard had been very consistently and had basically beaten all his opponents of different sizes. He defended the Danger forward decision pointing out that those type of mids do go forward and impact more often than regular forwards like Papley when they get their chance there. Guess that last game did show that while Papley couldn't nail his shots, Danger got the Cats over the line.

Think Jacko is telling fibs there. Petracca was chosen purely on 2020 form, otherwise he wouldn't even have made the top 40. Liam Ryan got his nod purely based on 2nd half 2020 form.

 

[FRUMPY]

So how did Ridley and Taberner make the squad then? They were complete nobodies before this season. These selectors just make it up as they go along.

THey use the squad to introduce future all australians? Thats what it sounds like. I look forward to Weitering being AA next year, Jackovich just said he is a lock

 

[guruisatiger]

Equal 1st. And 19 goal assists in 17 games is not 0.72 but 1.1

Obviously you can't read
I said the half forward line
That means 3 players
Not 1! !,,,I never mentioned your boys
Name at all, I know he's equal number 1
With 19 and so is big tom Hawkins

 

[Back One Out]

It's not a lifetime achievement award. It's supposed to be the AA team for 2020. A year where Boak outperformed him as both a player and leader.

I'm well aware it's been a sh*t show for some time. Doesn't make it any less of a joke this time

I'm not arguing with you, mate. I'm trying to help you understand how the AA selectors choose their captain.
It's a two step process (both of which are voted upon by the selectors)


1. All Australian selection is based on the season's output.

Once they've debated & voted upon their 22 team selections, they turn their attention to the 2 honourary leadership titles. It's a bit of a juggling act, but unless there is some alpha dog like Wayne Carey who is both MVP of the league and the game's best captain, then they tend to reward the older guy they deem to be an ornament to the game, be it Buddy Franklin, Alex Rance, Robert Murphy, Darren Glass, Joel Selwood, Luke Hodge, Nick Riewoldt, Andrew McLeod, etc...He could be a club captain (that would certainly work in his favour)... But he might not be...


2. The All Australian captaincy is usually a lifetime achievement award.

 

[Duskfire]

It is kind of interesting how someone who isnt even a captain of their club can get All Australian captain. We saw it with Franklin last year I guess so it is obvious it has become an achievement award now.

 

[fpm84]

Once they've selected their 22, they then turn their attention to the honourary leadership titles. It's a bit of a juggling act, but unless there is some alpha dog like Wayne Carey who is both MVP of the league and the game's best captain, then they reward the older guy they deem to be an ornament to the game

2. The All Australian captaincy is usually a lifetime achievement award.

Buddy and Rance were also named AA captain in 2018/17 respectively despite neither having ever been club captains, to back up what you're saying.

And in the here and now, Dangerfield captained his team 7 more times than Boak did in 2020 (due to Selwood being injured). I wouldn't have complained if Boak was named AA captain, it would have been a worthy accolade, but not sure why anyone would question Dangerfield getting the nod.

I've even see people claim Bontempelli should have been named AA captain this year - the same Bontempelli who had Dogs fans questioning whether he was the right choice as club captain a month into this season.

 

[Jugada]

I'm not arguing with you, mate. I'm trying to help you understand how the AA selectors choose their captain.
It's a two step process (both of which are voted upon by the selectors)


1. All Australian selection is based on the season's output.

Once they've debated & voted upon their 22 team selections, they turn their attention to the 2 honourary leadership titles. It's a bit of a juggling act, but unless there is some alpha dog like Wayne Carey who is both MVP of the league and the game's best captain, then they tend to reward the older guy they deem to be an ornament to the game, be it Buddy Franklin, Alex Rance, Robert Murphy, Darren Glass, Joel Selwood, Luke Hodge, Nick Riewoldt, Andrew McLeod, etc...He could be a club captain (that would certainly work in his favour)... But he might not be...


2. The All Australian captaincy is usually a lifetime achievement award.

Lol Glass and Murphy weren't household names they were just very good leaders of their clubs. If anything they more mirror your Boak types.

Yeah cbf arguing with you either. I'm just saying it's a joke and not what the award is supposed to be judged on. The fact Danger was a better player in past years means **** all to the 2020 AA when Boak was the far superior player and leader this year.

 

[Back One Out]

Lol Glass and Murphy weren't household names they were just very good leaders of their clubs. If anything they more mirror your Boak types.

Yeah cbf arguing with you either. I'm just saying it's a joke and not what the award is supposed to be judged on. The fact Danger was a better player in past years means fu** all to the 2020 AA when Boak was the far superior player and leader this year.

Yeah nah... disagree

If Australia was playing Kyrgyzstan in the Footy World Cup next month, then Danger would be fitting as captain and Boak his vice-captain

 

[DemonDays]

Why are West Coast and the Western Bulldogs always over represented in the AA team?

Been happening for decades and needs to be investigated.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Not sure Martin's done particularly well as far as AA's go. When he was younger he was frequently compared with Mark Ricciuto; Ricciuto has eight AA's, and Dusty who turns 30 next year now has four. Not saying he should have eight, just that Ricciuto wasn't twice the player Martin is.

I haven't shitcanned any of the selections, they've obviously all had great years, but I raised eyebrows at four or five. Reckon I've got a reasonable idea of what is an AA-standard year without comparing against players from other clubs and I reckon Martin had one, without being at his best every week.

Richmond won 11 from the last 13 at a percentage of 150 and some are effectively saying we had no standout players. It's bad enough that Grimes' and Vlastuin's chances were scuttled by the staging stitch-up despite being cleared at the Tribunal. On last night's coverage, both were mentioned as an afterthought and it was clear they were never going to be picked.

Thought Martin was best suited to one of the interchange spots, but selectors in their wisdom crammed him into a pocket. Butler and Papley both tapered a little; I reckon selectors found them difficult to split and decided it was easier to leave both out than to choose one.

And I have barely shit-canned anyone either. I haven't said certain players were crap and what not.

Dangerfield and Martin are indeed superstars, but I can't help but feel they get special treatment a lot of the time because of who they are, regardless of how well they play throughout the year. It is as if they get an automatic spot nowadays before the season even commences.

Dusty has had way better seasons than 2020. He didn't even get started until halfway through the season. Perhaps his ceiling is extremely high and therefore worthy of selection on the bench. But if we are serious here, he should not be named in the forward line over full-time forwards who have done more damage on the scoreboard. For Liam Ryan to be the only genuine small forward in this 22 is baffling.

 

[Coaster2012]

Why are West Coast and the Western Bulldogs always over represented in the AA team?

Been happening for decades and needs to be investigated.

So who of Shepp, NicNat & Ryan didn't deserve their spot?

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Danger was geelongs best mid this year. You are letting expectations bias influence you evaluation.

Not really. Almost every game I've seen of Geelong, it was Guthrie I found impressing the most.

 

[Sttew]

Obviously you can't read
I said the half forward line
That means 3 players
Not 1! !,,,I never mentioned your boys
Name at all, I know he's equal number 1
With 19 and so is big tom Hawkins

My bad!

 

[Sttew]

Not really. Almost every game I've seen of Geelong, it was Guthrie I found impressing the most.

Well if it’s any consolation or justification, on the Geelong Board MVP voting Guthrie came in 1st and Danger 2nd.